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  #11  
Old April 9th 07, 02:06 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Jeff
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"JOHN" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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I would be very careful with anything John posts. The whaleto site
clearly is written by someone who doesn't know or understand any
medicine, vaccines or immunology. I don't know who writes it because he
or she doesn't even put her name on it. I guess (s)he is too embarrassed.
Can't blame her.


http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html

Jeff has been lying for here for at least 10 years, and he is losing his
marbles as he now figures I have had a sex change.


I don't know who writes the web site. The author's name is not on it.

and you allopaths only have a basic understanding of the human newborn
immune system http://www.whale.to/a/child.html.


Which is far more than you have.

If you knew anything you wouldn't have injected mercury into infants, just
for starters


You mean, doctors would let kids die of vaccine-preventable illness.

You have yet to show that the tiny amount of thimerosal in vaccines has any
negative effects.

Have a lovely day.

Jeff

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Old April 9th 07, 02:10 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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"JOHN" wrote in message
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"Donna Metler" wrote in message
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Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood
and
kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what
happens
when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated
population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the
students
in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes
missed
it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older
student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be
seriously
ill.


We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a
problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to.


Before the vaccine, about 40 kids were killed each year and thousands
hospitalized from chicken pox because of dehydration and secondary
infection.

I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary
school. So hardly a problem


So it's only a problem if you hear of it?

I suspect the allopaths make a bigt song and dance about it after they
brought out their vaccine for it.


Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then.

As I say here http://www.whale.to/a/chickenpox.html
[They want to vaccinate every child with an unsafe and ineffective vaccine
on the chance they will end up on immune destroying drugs for diseases
such as asthma that they caused in the first place with other vaccines and
drugs, while they turn a blind eye to life saving cures such as vitamin C,
and the part poisons & nutrition play in suppressing the immune system.]

Package insert: The following additional adverse reactions have been
reported since the vaccine has been marketed: Anaphylaxis in individuals
with or without an allergic history, Thrombocytopenia., encephalitis;
cerebrovascular accident; transverse myelitis; Guillain-Barré syndrome;
Bell's palsy; ataxia; non-febrile seizures; dizziness; paresthesia,
Pharyngitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome; erythema multiforme;
Henoch-Schänlein purpura; secondary bacterial infections of skin and soft
tissue, including impetigo and cellulitis; herpes zoster.


Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side
effects. However, the side-effects are very rare.

Get a clue.

Jeff

  #13  
Old April 9th 07, 02:15 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
john
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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So you're saying that the 0.6% who still die don't matter?


We are talking about vaccination, if they still die then it isn't much good
is it? And there isn't any evidence it did any %

use vitamin C if you care about child deaths
http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html

You don't, or you would have used it 50 years ago.


The annual death rate is about 400,000 people each year. Do they count?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/527371


A lie, for one

According to government, measles was a threat to national interest, claiming
more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable since most
people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority of sick
people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure was of
course trumped up). This of course is a questionable statistic since the
majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any
measles death. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty
thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due
to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every
five second and for which governments is happy to ignore. Update: Letter
from Kihura Nkuba October 20th, 2003. http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html

and measles vax is a killer for malnourished kids

"It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving
children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those
susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a
result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and
acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera,
or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So
there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It's one
way to get good statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is
what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html

he should know, he spent decades among third world kids.

The problem is that even with excellent nutrition and health, there will
still be deaths from measles, like this one last year in England:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm


the vaccine wouldn't have saved him, but vitamin C would have.

more thyan 50% of measles cases now are in vaccinated kids, or in kids under
the age of vaccination

if the truth was palatable to you lot then the gov wouldn't make it
impossible to find out vaccine status of these kids

The bottom line is measles is still a killer.

The vaccine saves lives.


Just another Allopathic lie to go with the rest
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html

The bottom line is http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html

and MMR is resting on an epidemic of autism to go with the mercury vaccine
autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html

what a stupidity--swapping a disease that is harmless in kids under proper
medical care, and helps the immune system, for an epidemic of vaccine
disease


  #14  
Old April 9th 07, 02:32 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Jeff
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"JOHN" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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So you're saying that the 0.6% who still die don't matter?


We are talking about vaccination, if they still die then it isn't much
good is it? And there isn't any evidence it did any %


In addition, your figure of 99.4% death reduction says that kids were still
dying before vaccination.

And they are still dying: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm
(link restored)

use vitamin C if you care about child deaths
http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html


Why? Because of some quotes on this useless web site?

You don't, or you would have used it 50 years ago.


I wasn't alive 50 years ago.

The annual death rate is about 400,000 people each year. Do they count?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/527371


A lie, for one


How do you know? You couldn't have even looked at the report. The link was
bad.

Here is a better link to the CDC info:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5509a8.htm

According to government, measles was a threat to national interest,
claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable
since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the
majority of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records
this figure was of course trumped up).


These are international figures collected by groups such as WHO and UNICEF.

This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths in
Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death.


Uganda is not the only country with measles deaths.

No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people
are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil
war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five second
and for which governments is happy to ignore. Update: Letter from Kihura
Nkuba October 20th, 2003. http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html

and measles vax is a killer for malnourished kids


No it isn't. It is a life-saver.

"It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving
children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those
susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as
a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels
and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from
malnutrition. So there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get
measles. It's one way to get good statistics, kill all those that are
susceptible, which is what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html

he should know, he spent decades among third world kids.


He saw the illness in the kids after the vaccine because he was around them.
The kids would have gotton sick without the vaccine.

The problem is that even with excellent nutrition and health, there will
still be deaths from measles, like this one last year in England:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm


the vaccine wouldn't have saved him, but vitamin C would have.


Bull****.

more thyan 50% of measles cases now are in vaccinated kids, or in kids
under the age of vaccination


Gee, that is because most of the kids are vaccinated. The rate of measles is
way down. And, the cases in vaccianted kids is usually much milder than in
unvaccinated kids. Remember, the goal of vaccination is not just to prevent
measles cases, but to decrease the rate of measles complications. It does
both.

if the truth was palatable to you lot then the gov wouldn't make it
impossible to find out vaccine status of these kids


The truth is palatable to me, because vaccination saves lives.

The bottom line is measles is still a killer.

The vaccine saves lives.


Just another Allopathic lie to go with the rest
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html

The bottom line is http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html


The bottom line is that your a liar whose lives kill kids.

JEff

and MMR is resting on an epidemic of autism to go with the mercury vaccine
autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html

what a stupidity--swapping a disease that is harmless in kids under
proper medical care, and helps the immune system, for an epidemic of
vaccine disease


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Old April 9th 07, 02:34 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
David Wright
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In article ,
JOHN wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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I would be very careful with anything John posts. The whaleto site clearly
is written by someone who doesn't know or understand any medicine,
vaccines or immunology. I don't know who writes it because he or she
doesn't even put her name on it. I guess (s)he is too embarrassed. Can't
blame her.


http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html

Jeff has been lying for here for at least 10 years, and he is losing his
marbles as he now figures I have had a sex change.


The lost marbles are yours, John-boy. He's merely referring to the
obvious fact that you didn't write the articles on your own web site.

Granted, those articles are garbage, but they are still far beyond
your capacities to have written.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher


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Old April 9th 07, 02:34 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Donna Metler
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"bigvince" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message Stan




If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce

them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have
been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should
read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British
Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor
to better health in the last 50 years

Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and
kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens
when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated
population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students
in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed
it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older
student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously
ill.

The first year after the Varicella vaccine became part of the protocol for
chicken pox, even in a school where a sizable chunk of our kindergarteners
(as high as 20% some years) aren't vaccinated because "personal belief
excemptions" are often easier to deal with when you're against the wire for
school enrollment than actually getting the child vaccinated for our low
income families, we had only 6 children in kindergarten get Chicken pox-all
unvaccinated, all in two separate homerooms, where one child was exposed
outside of school. In the other kindergarten classes, they avoided the
infection entirely, and we didn't have any older children (even though most
of them had never been vaccinated) catch it.

ANd chicken pox isn't as damaging as many of the childhood diseases which
have been part of the protocol for a generation or more.

The main thing which allows non-vaccinated children to avoid these diseases
is that most people around them are vaccinated.



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Old April 9th 07, 04:29 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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JOHN wrote:
"Donna Metler" wrote in message
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Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood
and
kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what
happens
when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated
population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the
students
in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed
it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older
student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be
seriously
ill.



We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a
problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to.

I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary
school. So hardly a problem

[snip]

One of my kids had it at pre-school, and passed it on to their sibling:
there were several other cases within that pre-school.

--
Penny Gaines
UK mum to three
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Old April 9th 07, 05:39 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then.


Chicken pox never killed anyone before drugs came along to kill their
immune system, then you morons sell a vaccine on the back of your immune
killing drugs

Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side
effects. However, the side-effects are very rare.


Yes, they are for natural herbs and nutrients, but yours kill 120,000 every
year in the USA alone

In fact I don't know of any herb or nutrient deaths under professional
herbal or nutritional MD supervision


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Old April 9th 07, 05:45 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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You have yet to show that the tiny amount of thimerosal in vaccines has
any negative effects.


"I think that the biological case against Thimerosal is so dramatically
overwhelming anymore that only a very foolish or a very dishonest person
with the credentials to understand this research would say that Thimerosal
wasn't most likely the cause of autism."--- Interview of Dr. Boyd E. Haley
by Teri Small: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html



Have a lovely day.


I am, but the 500,000 vaccine autism victims and their families may not be
having such a great one

cheers


"Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached
all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and
Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway,
feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its
side."----Goethe


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Old April 9th 07, 05:47 PM posted to alt.support.breastfeeding,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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"JOHN" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then.


Chicken pox never killed anyone before drugs came along to kill their
immune system, then you morons sell a vaccine on the back of your immune
killing drugs


Wrong. Chickpox killed a lot of kids. Chicken pox attacks the brain in about
1 in 1000 cases. And a lot of kids get infected from scratching at their
lesions.

Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side
effects. However, the side-effects are very rare.


Yes, they are for natural herbs and nutrients, but yours kill 120,000
every year in the USA alone


If that's what you think.

In fact I don't know of any herb or nutrient deaths under professional
herbal or nutritional MD supervision


Of course you don't. These people just blame the disease or real doctors for
the deaths. Like, it was the chemotherapy that killed them, even though the
patient didn't have chemo for 12 months.

Jeff

 




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