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Old June 17th 07, 04:09 AM posted to soc.men,misc.kids,alt.parenting.solutions
Fred Goodwin, CMA
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Default The father factor: Fathers and sons

The father factor: Fathers and sons

http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?
as=view&sun=281935077507132005&an=4108020671061520 07&ac=Opinion
http://tinyurl.com/38wf8g

Saturday June 16 2007

Men become biological fathers in a moment. Not much is required except
the right anatomical equipment and opportunity. The father need not
love the mother. The father does not need a course in parenting, nor
does he need to even desire to be a parent. The father does not always
even know of his progeny. Nevertheless, each child born into this
world has two parents, and one of them is, by definition, the father.

For many men, that is where their input begins and ends. Children need
fathers. Ideally, those fathers will be married to their mothers, and
living together in a loving family. But, even if children cannot grow
up in a two-parent home, no child deserves to grow up without a
father.

Fathers play a significant part in a son's life. At a certain age,
little boys begin to investigate the world outside of their mother's
touch, and their mother's voice. Little boys discover they are not the
same as little girls, and all of a sudden their world needs redefining
in the light of this revelation.

Fathers, when your son begins this search, whether at age two or age
12, wondering what sort of man he will become - where does he look?
Who does he see?

Television dads? Sorry, but the days of Leave it to Beaver are gone
and the new generation of television fathers are not on the same
playing field as Bill Cosby. Soap opera fathers have switched partners
so many times even they can't keep track. Sport stars sometimes
recognise they can play a morally upright role model, but just as
often fans see their drinking escapades, angry violence and drug
violations.

So fathers, what does your son see when he looks around?

What kind of man do you want him to become? Honest, hard-working,
ethical: the kind of man who keeps his promises; who is faithful to
his wife, and who loves his children. You want your son to be like you
- or maybe not, but you have something in mind for your son.

You want to be the kind of father whose son can come and sit down
beside him and say, "Dad, I'm really struggling with some things now,
and I need your advice."

How to begin...? The writer of Psalms 127 exhorts, "Sons are a
heritage from the Lord; children a reward from him." (Verse 3) Now, if
someone gives you an inheritance, it is usually something to treasu
a keepsake not only valued for its monetary value, but for its
significance, for its intrinsic value. Begin, fathers, by valuing your
sons.

Recognise they are unique, and special; a part of you that no one else
can duplicate or replicate. There has been no one else like your son
in the past, there is no one like him now, or will there be someone
just like him in the future. Children are a reward. A reward even if
you do not deserve it, a reward even when you do not ask for it - a
reward from the Heavenly Father who has perfect love.

Cherish and nurture your son, fathers, with an attitude of gratitude
and love: they are your inheritance and your reward.

--
Note: With the current state of affairs we thought it timely to
reprint the above article published 11 Aug. 2003.

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Old June 17th 07, 04:40 PM posted to soc.men,misc.kids,alt.parenting.solutions
R. Steve Walz
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Default The father factor: Fathers and sons

Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:

The father factor: Fathers and sons

http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?
as=view&sun=281935077507132005&an=4108020671061520 07&ac=Opinion
http://tinyurl.com/38wf8g

Saturday June 16 2007

Men become biological fathers in a moment. Not much is required except
the right anatomical equipment and opportunity. The father need not
love the mother. The father does not need a course in parenting, nor
does he need to even desire to be a parent. The father does not always
even know of his progeny. Nevertheless, each child born into this
world has two parents, and one of them is, by definition, the father.

---------------------------
Nonsense, kids are born of sex, but it the people who care about them
who are important, and they can be anyone or any group. Paternity is
NOT "fatherhood".


For many men, that is where their input begins and ends. Children need
fathers. Ideally, those fathers will be married to their mothers, and
living together in a loving family. But, even if children cannot grow
up in a two-parent home, no child deserves to grow up without a
father.

-------------------
Children don't need fathers, if they have others who care about them
they do perfectly fine. The assertion that a child needs a father is
nothing more than blathering bull****. The myth that they must form
some nuclear family is also complete and total bull****.


Fathers play a significant part in a son's life. At a certain age,
little boys begin to investigate the world outside of their mother's
touch, and their mother's voice. Little boys discover they are not the
same as little girls, and all of a sudden their world needs redefining
in the light of this revelation.

------------------------------
They are abused and they question, but why abuse them AT ALL!?? It is
NOT needed, it is NOT good, it is NOT beneficial. If they are not
abused with externally imposed gender-roles they don't have a problem
with girls being slightly different anatomically. It goes almost
unnoticed as unimportant, which it is till they discover sex!


Fathers, when your son begins this search, whether at age two or age
12, wondering what sort of man he will become - where does he look?
Who does he see?

--------------------------------
He sees your disapproval, the fact that you isolated him from others
and selfishly, greedily made him depend on you alone, and he hates
you for that! He knows there are others in the world whom he might
well have preferred as a friend and advisor. He hates that you held
him away from others and he knows what COULD have been if you weren't
such an unbelievable asshole!!


Television dads? Sorry, but the days of Leave it to Beaver are gone
and the new generation of television fathers are not on the same
playing field as Bill Cosby. Soap opera fathers have switched partners
so many times even they can't keep track. Sport stars sometimes
recognise they can play a morally upright role model, but just as
often fans see their drinking escapades, angry violence and drug
violations.

------------------------
Bill Cosby is vicious and abusive of children.
Nobody watches TV to learn about people, because it's obviously
distorted make-believe, even to a child.


So fathers, what does your son see when he looks around?

What kind of man do you want him to become? Honest, hard-working,
ethical: the kind of man who keeps his promises; who is faithful to
his wife, and who loves his children. You want your son to be like you
- or maybe not, but you have something in mind for your son.

-----------------------------------
Nuclear garbage. It's good to be reliable, but monogamy is crap!
Honesty is no virtue unless it is appropriate. It is often appropriate
to lie like crazy to assholes.


You want to be the kind of father whose son can come and sit down
beside him and say, "Dad, I'm really struggling with some things now,
and I need your advice."

-------------------------------------
One, that's TV and it doesn't happen that way!!


How to begin...? The writer of Psalms

---------------------
Oh just stop your biblical horse****!


Cherish and nurture your son, fathers, with an attitude of gratitude
and love: they are your inheritance and your reward.

--------------------
More ****-eating paternalistic dreck!!

Steve
--
Listen:
--
Kahlil Gibran "The Prophet" on Children:

"And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said,
'Speak to us of Children.'
And he said:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows
are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends
you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow
that is stable."
  #3  
Old June 17th 07, 04:59 PM posted to soc.men,misc.kids,alt.parenting.solutions
MSNothing
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Default The father factor: Fathers and sons

Would you say the same of mothers as well

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:

The father factor: Fathers and sons

http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?
as=view&sun=281935077507132005&an=4108020671061520 07&ac=Opinion
http://tinyurl.com/38wf8g

Saturday June 16 2007

Men become biological fathers in a moment. Not much is required except
the right anatomical equipment and opportunity. The father need not
love the mother. The father does not need a course in parenting, nor
does he need to even desire to be a parent. The father does not always
even know of his progeny. Nevertheless, each child born into this
world has two parents, and one of them is, by definition, the father.

---------------------------
Nonsense, kids are born of sex, but it the people who care about them
who are important, and they can be anyone or any group. Paternity is
NOT "fatherhood".


For many men, that is where their input begins and ends. Children need
fathers. Ideally, those fathers will be married to their mothers, and
living together in a loving family. But, even if children cannot grow
up in a two-parent home, no child deserves to grow up without a
father.

-------------------
Children don't need fathers, if they have others who care about them
they do perfectly fine. The assertion that a child needs a father is
nothing more than blathering bull****. The myth that they must form
some nuclear family is also complete and total bull****.


Fathers play a significant part in a son's life. At a certain age,
little boys begin to investigate the world outside of their mother's
touch, and their mother's voice. Little boys discover they are not the
same as little girls, and all of a sudden their world needs redefining
in the light of this revelation.

------------------------------
They are abused and they question, but why abuse them AT ALL!?? It is
NOT needed, it is NOT good, it is NOT beneficial. If they are not
abused with externally imposed gender-roles they don't have a problem
with girls being slightly different anatomically. It goes almost
unnoticed as unimportant, which it is till they discover sex!


Fathers, when your son begins this search, whether at age two or age
12, wondering what sort of man he will become - where does he look?
Who does he see?

--------------------------------
He sees your disapproval, the fact that you isolated him from others
and selfishly, greedily made him depend on you alone, and he hates
you for that! He knows there are others in the world whom he might
well have preferred as a friend and advisor. He hates that you held
him away from others and he knows what COULD have been if you weren't
such an unbelievable asshole!!


Television dads? Sorry, but the days of Leave it to Beaver are gone
and the new generation of television fathers are not on the same
playing field as Bill Cosby. Soap opera fathers have switched partners
so many times even they can't keep track. Sport stars sometimes
recognise they can play a morally upright role model, but just as
often fans see their drinking escapades, angry violence and drug
violations.

------------------------
Bill Cosby is vicious and abusive of children.
Nobody watches TV to learn about people, because it's obviously
distorted make-believe, even to a child.


So fathers, what does your son see when he looks around?

What kind of man do you want him to become? Honest, hard-working,
ethical: the kind of man who keeps his promises; who is faithful to
his wife, and who loves his children. You want your son to be like you
- or maybe not, but you have something in mind for your son.

-----------------------------------
Nuclear garbage. It's good to be reliable, but monogamy is crap!
Honesty is no virtue unless it is appropriate. It is often appropriate
to lie like crazy to assholes.


You want to be the kind of father whose son can come and sit down
beside him and say, "Dad, I'm really struggling with some things now,
and I need your advice."

-------------------------------------
One, that's TV and it doesn't happen that way!!


How to begin...? The writer of Psalms

---------------------
Oh just stop your biblical horse****!


Cherish and nurture your son, fathers, with an attitude of gratitude
and love: they are your inheritance and your reward.

--------------------
More ****-eating paternalistic dreck!!

Steve
--
Listen:
--
Kahlil Gibran "The Prophet" on Children:

"And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said,
'Speak to us of Children.'
And he said:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows
are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends
you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow
that is stable."




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Old June 17th 07, 07:30 PM posted to soc.men,misc.kids,alt.parenting.solutions
R. Steve Walz
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Posts: 2,954
Default The father factor: Fathers and sons

MSNothing wrote:

Would you say the same of mothers as well

----------------------------
Sure. Other than biology there is no special bond that could not
be toward anyone important to the child, and far too much of the
clap-trap surrounding motherhood is merely manipulative crap
that this society uses to shame, guilt, abuse, and control.

These stupid ****ing holidays are always commercially based,
if not out and out commissioned by rich manipulators to help
distract and control their slave-workers!
Steve


"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:

The father factor: Fathers and sons

http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?
as=view&sun=281935077507132005&an=4108020671061520 07&ac=Opinion
http://tinyurl.com/38wf8g

Saturday June 16 2007

Men become biological fathers in a moment. Not much is required except
the right anatomical equipment and opportunity. The father need not
love the mother. The father does not need a course in parenting, nor
does he need to even desire to be a parent. The father does not always
even know of his progeny. Nevertheless, each child born into this
world has two parents, and one of them is, by definition, the father.

---------------------------
Nonsense, kids are born of sex, but it the people who care about them
who are important, and they can be anyone or any group. Paternity is
NOT "fatherhood".


For many men, that is where their input begins and ends. Children need
fathers. Ideally, those fathers will be married to their mothers, and
living together in a loving family. But, even if children cannot grow
up in a two-parent home, no child deserves to grow up without a
father.

-------------------
Children don't need fathers, if they have others who care about them
they do perfectly fine. The assertion that a child needs a father is
nothing more than blathering bull****. The myth that they must form
some nuclear family is also complete and total bull****.


Fathers play a significant part in a son's life. At a certain age,
little boys begin to investigate the world outside of their mother's
touch, and their mother's voice. Little boys discover they are not the
same as little girls, and all of a sudden their world needs redefining
in the light of this revelation.

------------------------------
They are abused and they question, but why abuse them AT ALL!?? It is
NOT needed, it is NOT good, it is NOT beneficial. If they are not
abused with externally imposed gender-roles they don't have a problem
with girls being slightly different anatomically. It goes almost
unnoticed as unimportant, which it is till they discover sex!


Fathers, when your son begins this search, whether at age two or age
12, wondering what sort of man he will become - where does he look?
Who does he see?

--------------------------------
He sees your disapproval, the fact that you isolated him from others
and selfishly, greedily made him depend on you alone, and he hates
you for that! He knows there are others in the world whom he might
well have preferred as a friend and advisor. He hates that you held
him away from others and he knows what COULD have been if you weren't
such an unbelievable asshole!!


Television dads? Sorry, but the days of Leave it to Beaver are gone
and the new generation of television fathers are not on the same
playing field as Bill Cosby. Soap opera fathers have switched partners
so many times even they can't keep track. Sport stars sometimes
recognise they can play a morally upright role model, but just as
often fans see their drinking escapades, angry violence and drug
violations.

------------------------
Bill Cosby is vicious and abusive of children.
Nobody watches TV to learn about people, because it's obviously
distorted make-believe, even to a child.


So fathers, what does your son see when he looks around?

What kind of man do you want him to become? Honest, hard-working,
ethical: the kind of man who keeps his promises; who is faithful to
his wife, and who loves his children. You want your son to be like you
- or maybe not, but you have something in mind for your son.

-----------------------------------
Nuclear garbage. It's good to be reliable, but monogamy is crap!
Honesty is no virtue unless it is appropriate. It is often appropriate
to lie like crazy to assholes.


You want to be the kind of father whose son can come and sit down
beside him and say, "Dad, I'm really struggling with some things now,
and I need your advice."

-------------------------------------
One, that's TV and it doesn't happen that way!!


How to begin...? The writer of Psalms

---------------------
Oh just stop your biblical horse****!


Cherish and nurture your son, fathers, with an attitude of gratitude
and love: they are your inheritance and your reward.

--------------------
More ****-eating paternalistic dreck!!

Steve
--
Listen:
--
Kahlil Gibran "The Prophet" on Children:

"And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said,
'Speak to us of Children.'
And he said:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows
are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends
you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow
that is stable."

 




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