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The decline of rape
You are wasting your time, David. You are arguing with someone who doesn't understand the concept of correllation vs. causal. Kane still thinks that automobile crash studies are only correlational because they use dummies instead of readl humans! Doan On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, David J. Hughes wrote: 0:-] wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:32:33 -0600, "David J. Hughes" wrote: 0:-] wrote: On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote: Is this a SPANKING issue? Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ??? Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor, with less of it going on. And: "The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years, rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15, much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older." The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was popular to claim it in ancient Rome. The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg. Correlation does not imply causation.. Oddly you are wrong. In fact, correlation is one of the contributing parts of findings of causation, but this is a popular comment to make, and you made it. The statement "correlation does not imply causation" is inarguably true. Likewise, the statement "Correlation suggests a link to causation" is equally true. You stated "The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime". This is true, but you statement suggests causation, without support. Had you stated "There is good evidence that the less corporal punishment the less youth crime", particularly with citations of the evidence, I would have had no reason to post. I intentionally used a mixture of possible, arguable and ridiculous true correllations to point out the validity of the the statement "Correlation does not imply causation." Correlations, statistically examined reach the point of being accepted as cause in many instances. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" g. Statistical evidence can support a hypothesis, but can never prove it. At best, it can support the statement "this may be true by the best evidence we have avaialble at this time." Note, please, that my disagreement is not with your position, but rather with how you presented your position. Anytime anyone presents anything as the absolute TRUTH, I feel the need to put one hand on my wallet and look for the nearest exit. Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly. It is equally valid to say: No, actually it's not. There must be some logical reasonable connections or connection. The less corporal punishment the less youth crime Violent crime, and other crime, has been causaly linked to childhood "trauma." Trauma is what cp is about, and it's intent. The more internet porn the less youth crime The might actually be a connection. It should be examined. The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime Nope. This one has not been examined. Nice try though. This one could be argued on the structure of the studies conducted. "Self fulfilling prophecies" are one of the major stumbling blocks in any such study. The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime RIDICULOUS. Almost certainly. The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime Equally ridiculous as the previous. The higher the median family income the less youth crime The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime All ridiculous, because there is no logical connection by correlation. Both these last two are arguable, particularly since you were using sex crimes as the primary focus of your post. Logical connections are the reduction in financial and sexual needs to prompt criminal action. You must show a track of violence to crime. Nonsense. Criminal behavior exists in persons who have never been the victim of violence, and victims of the most horrific violence have become upright, law abiding individuals. The violence/crime connection is a factor, but not an absolute. Spanking is a violent act,and even the users would agree to that, but fight the use of the language. The point of CP is to cause PAIN. Causing pain is violent. Causing injury MAY be violent. Pain is frequently an unfortunate side effect of beneficial behavior. Causing pain is not necessarily violent. Deflowering one's virgin wife in the marriage bed can very painful, but that is not the intent. Please examine your language use for clarity. Emotionally laden terms tend to hamper meaningful discussions. The trends have followed each other very closely. It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well. It no longer does. Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose all your biases? R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R .... Kane You are to be commended. You did a great job, repeating like a parrot, the claim of "correlation is not causation." "Correlation does not imply causation" is not the same as "correlation is not causation." If you must parrot, please do so correctly. G Problem is correlation is a very useful tool, IF it's used correctly. Agreed. Thanks for bringing this up. I've said it before, though, and I will again. 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The decline of rape
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:56:05 -0800, Doan wrote:
You are wasting your time, David. You are arguing with someone who doesn't understand the concept of correllation vs. causal. Kane still thinks that automobile crash studies are only correlational because they use dummies instead of readl humans! Show me any study that extends to humans causally when using other than human subject, Doan. The medical field, for instance, is replete with studies using animals where readers of the reports are routinely warned NOT to extrapolate to humans what was found in non-human subjects. Doan Still winging it, I see. 0:+] On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, David J. Hughes wrote: 0:-] wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:32:33 -0600, "David J. Hughes" wrote: 0:-] wrote: On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote: Is this a SPANKING issue? Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ??? Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor, with less of it going on. And: "The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years, rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15, much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older." The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was popular to claim it in ancient Rome. The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg. Correlation does not imply causation.. Oddly you are wrong. In fact, correlation is one of the contributing parts of findings of causation, but this is a popular comment to make, and you made it. The statement "correlation does not imply causation" is inarguably true. Likewise, the statement "Correlation suggests a link to causation" is equally true. You stated "The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime". This is true, but you statement suggests causation, without support. Had you stated "There is good evidence that the less corporal punishment the less youth crime", particularly with citations of the evidence, I would have had no reason to post. I intentionally used a mixture of possible, arguable and ridiculous true correllations to point out the validity of the the statement "Correlation does not imply causation." Correlations, statistically examined reach the point of being accepted as cause in many instances. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" g. Statistical evidence can support a hypothesis, but can never prove it. At best, it can support the statement "this may be true by the best evidence we have avaialble at this time." Note, please, that my disagreement is not with your position, but rather with how you presented your position. Anytime anyone presents anything as the absolute TRUTH, I feel the need to put one hand on my wallet and look for the nearest exit. Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly. It is equally valid to say: No, actually it's not. There must be some logical reasonable connections or connection. The less corporal punishment the less youth crime Violent crime, and other crime, has been causaly linked to childhood "trauma." Trauma is what cp is about, and it's intent. The more internet porn the less youth crime The might actually be a connection. It should be examined. The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime Nope. This one has not been examined. Nice try though. This one could be argued on the structure of the studies conducted. "Self fulfilling prophecies" are one of the major stumbling blocks in any such study. The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime RIDICULOUS. Almost certainly. The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime Equally ridiculous as the previous. The higher the median family income the less youth crime The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime All ridiculous, because there is no logical connection by correlation. Both these last two are arguable, particularly since you were using sex crimes as the primary focus of your post. Logical connections are the reduction in financial and sexual needs to prompt criminal action. You must show a track of violence to crime. Nonsense. Criminal behavior exists in persons who have never been the victim of violence, and victims of the most horrific violence have become upright, law abiding individuals. The violence/crime connection is a factor, but not an absolute. Spanking is a violent act,and even the users would agree to that, but fight the use of the language. The point of CP is to cause PAIN. Causing pain is violent. Causing injury MAY be violent. Pain is frequently an unfortunate side effect of beneficial behavior. Causing pain is not necessarily violent. Deflowering one's virgin wife in the marriage bed can very painful, but that is not the intent. Please examine your language use for clarity. Emotionally laden terms tend to hamper meaningful discussions. The trends have followed each other very closely. It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well. It no longer does. Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose all your biases? R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R .... Kane You are to be commended. You did a great job, repeating like a parrot, the claim of "correlation is not causation." "Correlation does not imply causation" is not the same as "correlation is not causation." If you must parrot, please do so correctly. G Problem is correlation is a very useful tool, IF it's used correctly. Agreed. Thanks for bringing this up. I've said it before, though, and I will again. Kane ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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The decline of rape
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, 0:-] wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:56:05 -0800, Doan wrote: You are wasting your time, David. You are arguing with someone who doesn't understand the concept of correllation vs. causal. Kane still thinks that automobile crash studies are only correlational because they use dummies instead of readl humans! Show me any study that extends to humans causally when using other than human subject, Doan. Hahaha! So how is it only CORRELATIONAL then, Kane? The medical field, for instance, is replete with studies using animals where readers of the reports are routinely warned NOT to extrapolate to humans what was found in non-human subjects. So how does that turns a CAUSAL study into a CORRELATIONAL only one? Doan Still winging it, I see. STill showing YOUR STUPIDITY, I see! 0:+] On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, David J. Hughes wrote: 0:-] wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:32:33 -0600, "David J. Hughes" wrote: 0:-] wrote: On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote: Is this a SPANKING issue? Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ??? Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor, with less of it going on. And: "The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years, rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15, much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older." The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was popular to claim it in ancient Rome. The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg. Correlation does not imply causation.. Oddly you are wrong. In fact, correlation is one of the contributing parts of findings of causation, but this is a popular comment to make, and you made it. The statement "correlation does not imply causation" is inarguably true. Likewise, the statement "Correlation suggests a link to causation" is equally true. You stated "The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime". This is true, but you statement suggests causation, without support. Had you stated "There is good evidence that the less corporal punishment the less youth crime", particularly with citations of the evidence, I would have had no reason to post. I intentionally used a mixture of possible, arguable and ridiculous true correllations to point out the validity of the the statement "Correlation does not imply causation." Correlations, statistically examined reach the point of being accepted as cause in many instances. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" g. Statistical evidence can support a hypothesis, but can never prove it. At best, it can support the statement "this may be true by the best evidence we have avaialble at this time." Note, please, that my disagreement is not with your position, but rather with how you presented your position. Anytime anyone presents anything as the absolute TRUTH, I feel the need to put one hand on my wallet and look for the nearest exit. Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly. It is equally valid to say: No, actually it's not. There must be some logical reasonable connections or connection. The less corporal punishment the less youth crime Violent crime, and other crime, has been causaly linked to childhood "trauma." Trauma is what cp is about, and it's intent. The more internet porn the less youth crime The might actually be a connection. It should be examined. The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime Nope. This one has not been examined. Nice try though. This one could be argued on the structure of the studies conducted. "Self fulfilling prophecies" are one of the major stumbling blocks in any such study. The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime RIDICULOUS. Almost certainly. The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime Equally ridiculous as the previous. The higher the median family income the less youth crime The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime All ridiculous, because there is no logical connection by correlation. Both these last two are arguable, particularly since you were using sex crimes as the primary focus of your post. Logical connections are the reduction in financial and sexual needs to prompt criminal action. You must show a track of violence to crime. Nonsense. Criminal behavior exists in persons who have never been the victim of violence, and victims of the most horrific violence have become upright, law abiding individuals. The violence/crime connection is a factor, but not an absolute. Spanking is a violent act,and even the users would agree to that, but fight the use of the language. The point of CP is to cause PAIN. Causing pain is violent. Causing injury MAY be violent. Pain is frequently an unfortunate side effect of beneficial behavior. Causing pain is not necessarily violent. Deflowering one's virgin wife in the marriage bed can very painful, but that is not the intent. Please examine your language use for clarity. Emotionally laden terms tend to hamper meaningful discussions. The trends have followed each other very closely. It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well. It no longer does. Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose all your biases? R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R .... Kane You are to be commended. You did a great job, repeating like a parrot, the claim of "correlation is not causation." "Correlation does not imply causation" is not the same as "correlation is not causation." If you must parrot, please do so correctly. G Problem is correlation is a very useful tool, IF it's used correctly. Agreed. Thanks for bringing this up. I've said it before, though, and I will again. Kane ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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