The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century.
"You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right
in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it
is."


In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated
children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively
permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer
Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in
never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000
or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't
think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never
received vaccines.
"We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large
to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have
a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You
can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss."


Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who
homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has
proposed such a study in that group.
"I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of
unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple
prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're
going to see no autism in this group."

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century.
"You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're
right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the
way it is."


In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of
never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through
Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical
director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of
autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about
30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I
don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us
who never received vaccines.
"We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too
large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors.
If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's
frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would
miss."


Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families
who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he
has proposed such a study in that group.
"I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of
unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple
prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that
you're going to see no autism in this group."



i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh
their community. Or something nastier

chris

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century.
"You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're
right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the
way it is."


In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of
never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through
Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical
director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of
autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about
30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I
don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us
who never received vaccines.
"We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too
large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors.
If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's
frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would
miss."


Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families
who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he
has proposed such a study in that group.
"I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of
unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple
prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that
you're going to see no autism in this group."



i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh
their community. Or something nastier

chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

chris,
An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of
autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion?
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of
Amish
for a quarter-century.
"You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're
right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the
way it is."


In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of
never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through
Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical
director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of
autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about
30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I
don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us
who never received vaccines.
"We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too
large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors.
If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's
frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would
miss."


Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families
who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism
he
has proposed such a study in that group.
"I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers
of
unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple
prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that
you're going to see no autism in this group."



i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh
their community. Or something nastier

chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

chris,
An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of
autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion?
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

my opinion, non learned though it may be, is that there are a great deal of
things that the amish are not exposed to, and we non-amish are exposed to
mercury in many things, so it is false to draw the conclusion that mercury
and vaccines causes autism, therefore we should all not get vaccinated and
then expose ourselves to a myriad of killer diseases.

I do however agree, that it deserves more and more research

chris

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Ballerina" wrote:

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
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In article , "Nina Pretty
Ballerina" wrote:

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of
Amish
for a quarter-century.
"You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're
right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the
way it is."


In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of
never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through
Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical
director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of
autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about
30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I
don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us
who never received vaccines.
"We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too
large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors.
If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's
frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would
miss."


Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families
who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism
he
has proposed such a study in that group.
"I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers
of
unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple
prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that
you're going to see no autism in this group."



i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh
their community. Or something nastier

chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

chris,
An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of
autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion?
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

my opinion, non learned though it may be, is that there are a great deal of
things that the amish are not exposed to, and we non-amish are exposed to
mercury in many things, so it is false to draw the conclusion that mercury
and vaccines causes autism, therefore we should all not get vaccinated and
then expose ourselves to a myriad of killer diseases.

I do however agree, that it deserves more and more research

chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

chris,
Believe it or not, I agree that all children should be vaccinated.
However, I do not believe that vaccines should NOT have any known poisons
such as mercury or aluminum. I also agree that more research needs to be
done to determine whether or not mercury causes autism.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In order for this anecdotal evidence to support what you imply it
supports, you must assume that the only difference between the Amish
and the general population is lack of immunization.

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century.

but when there is Rubella around they have seen a high rate of congenital
defects, still births amd misscarriages.....

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00017145.htm

The outcome of pregnancy was determined for the 94 Amish mothers who
reported illness or had serologic evidence of maternal rubella (Table 1).
CRS occurred in 10 infants, all of whom were born to mothers who had
histories of rubella-like illness in the first trimester; seven had possible
manifestations of CRS; nine were miscarried/stillborn; and 68 infants
appeared normal at birth.

Jason Johnson wrote:
chris,
Believe it or not, I agree that all children should be vaccinated.
However, I do not believe that vaccines should NOT have any known poisons
such as mercury or aluminum. I also agree that more research needs to be
done to determine whether or not mercury causes autism.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, do you believe that vaccines shouldn't also have sodium or
dihydrogen oxide, either? They're known poisons, too.

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century.
....

And yet they see all sorts of other disorders, a couple of which do resemble
autism. Their unique gene pool has been studied quite extensively by other
doctors at this clinic:
http://www.clinicforspecialchildren.org/research.html

Where is the Dan Olmsted interview of the researchers there?

HCN wrote:
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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century.
....

And yet they see all sorts of other disorders, a couple of which do resemble
autism. Their unique gene pool has been studied quite extensively by other
doctors at this clinic:
http://www.clinicforspecialchildren.org/research.html

They specialize in inherited metabolic diseases and have an immunization
program.

http://www.clinicforspecialchildren.org/clinical.html

Where is the Dan Olmsted interview of the researchers there?