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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r
"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group." |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
"john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group." i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh their community. Or something nastier chris |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
In article , "Nina Pretty
Ballerina" wrote: "john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group." i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh their community. Or something nastier chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ chris, An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion? Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
"Jason Johnson" wrote in message ... In article , "Nina Pretty Ballerina" wrote: "john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group." i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh their community. Or something nastier chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ chris, An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion? Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ my opinion, non learned though it may be, is that there are a great deal of things that the amish are not exposed to, and we non-amish are exposed to mercury in many things, so it is false to draw the conclusion that mercury and vaccines causes autism, therefore we should all not get vaccinated and then expose ourselves to a myriad of killer diseases. I do however agree, that it deserves more and more research chris |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
In article , "Nina Pretty
Ballerina" wrote: "Jason Johnson" wrote in message ... In article , "Nina Pretty Ballerina" wrote: "john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group." i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh their community. Or something nastier chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ chris, An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion? Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ my opinion, non learned though it may be, is that there are a great deal of things that the amish are not exposed to, and we non-amish are exposed to mercury in many things, so it is false to draw the conclusion that mercury and vaccines causes autism, therefore we should all not get vaccinated and then expose ourselves to a myriad of killer diseases. I do however agree, that it deserves more and more research chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ chris, Believe it or not, I agree that all children should be vaccinated. However, I do not believe that vaccines should NOT have any known poisons such as mercury or aluminum. I also agree that more research needs to be done to determine whether or not mercury causes autism. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
In order for this anecdotal evidence to support what you imply it
supports, you must assume that the only difference between the Amish and the general population is lack of immunization. |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
"john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. but when there is Rubella around they have seen a high rate of congenital defects, still births amd misscarriages..... http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00017145.htm The outcome of pregnancy was determined for the 94 Amish mothers who reported illness or had serologic evidence of maternal rubella (Table 1). CRS occurred in 10 infants, all of whom were born to mothers who had histories of rubella-like illness in the first trimester; seven had possible manifestations of CRS; nine were miscarried/stillborn; and 68 infants appeared normal at birth. |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
Jason Johnson wrote:
chris, Believe it or not, I agree that all children should be vaccinated. However, I do not believe that vaccines should NOT have any known poisons such as mercury or aluminum. I also agree that more research needs to be done to determine whether or not mercury causes autism. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, do you believe that vaccines shouldn't also have sodium or dihydrogen oxide, either? They're known poisons, too. |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
"john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. .... And yet they see all sorts of other disorders, a couple of which do resemble autism. Their unique gene pool has been studied quite extensively by other doctors at this clinic: http://www.clinicforspecialchildren.org/research.html Where is the Dan Olmsted interview of the researchers there? |
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The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
HCN wrote:
"john" wrote in message ... http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDai...8-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. .... And yet they see all sorts of other disorders, a couple of which do resemble autism. Their unique gene pool has been studied quite extensively by other doctors at this clinic: http://www.clinicforspecialchildren.org/research.html They specialize in inherited metabolic diseases and have an immunization program. http://www.clinicforspecialchildren.org/clinical.html Where is the Dan Olmsted interview of the researchers there? |
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