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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 24, 10:23 am, TC wrote:
On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. ADHD is not a disease of malnourshment. IF it were, you'd see it in famine zones world wide. You don't see it disproportionally high in such circumstances. You don't see it cured with dietary changes, either. Its a neurological disorder with genetic components. I quote "The estimated contribution of non genetic factors to the contribution of all cases of ADHD is 20 percent" None of those mentioned were malnourishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhd The exact cause of ADHD remains unknown. Research suggests that ADHD arises from a combination of various genes, many of which affect dopamine transporters.[27] Suspect genes include the 10-repeat allele of the DAT1 gene,[28] the 7-repeat allele of the DRD4 gene,[28] and the dopamine beta hydroxylase gene (DBH TaqI).[29] Additionally, SPECT scans found people with ADHD to have reduced blood circulation,[30] and a significantly higher concentration of dopamine transporters in the striatum which is in charge of planning ahead.[31] A new study by the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in collaboration with Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York suggest that it is not the dopamine transporter levels that indicate ADHD, but the brain's ability to produce dopamine itself. The study was done by injecting 20 ADHD subjects and 25 control subjects with a radiotracer that attaches itself to dopamine transporters. The study found that it was not the transporter levels that indicated ADHD, but the dopamine itself. ADHD subjects showed lower levels of dopamine across the board. They speculated that since ADHD subjects had lower levels of dopamine to begin with, the number of transporters in the brain was not the telling factor.[citation needed] An early PET scan study found that global cerebral glucose metabolism was 8.1% lower in medication-naive adults who had been diagnosed as ADHD while children. The image on the left illustrates glucose metabolism in the brain of a 'normal' adult while doing an assigned auditory attention task; the image on the right illustrates the areas of activity in the brain of an adult who had been diagnosed with ADHD as a child when given that same task; these are not pictures of individual brains, which would contain substantial overlap, these are images constructed to illustrate group-level differences. Additionally, the regions with the greatest deficit of activity in the ADHD patients (relative to the controls) included the premotor cortex and the superior prefrontal cortex.[26] These findings strongly imply that lowered activity in specific regions of the brain, rather than a broad global deficit, is involved in ADHD symptoms. However, it should be noted that these readings are of subjects doing an assigned task. They could be found in ADHD diagnosed patients because they simply were not attending to the task. Hence the parts of the brain used by others doing the task would not show equal activity in the ADHD patients.[citation needed] The estimated contribution of non genetic factors to the contribution of all cases of ADHD is 20 percent.[32] The few environmental factors implicated fall in the realm of biohazards and include alcohol, tobacco smoke, and lead poisoning. Complications during pregnancy and birth-including premature birth-might also play a role. It has been observed that women who smoke while pregnant are more likely to have children with ADHD.[33] This could be related to the fact than nicotine is known to cause hypoxia (lack of oxygen) in utero, but it could also be that ADHD women have more probabilities to smoke both in general and during pregnancy, being more likely to have children with ADHD due to genetic factors. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. 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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
TC wrote:
On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. I have heard that MORONIC statement before. AFAIAC, it is one of the more stupid comments made, since it is, in essence, a straw man. ADHD is neither nutritionally based or a deficiency of anything ingestible. The best evidence is that it is a combination of structural and chemical differences affecting how the brain handles brain roduced chemicals. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 24, 3:50 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote: On Jul 24, 10:23 am, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. ADHD is not a disease of malnourshment. IF it were, you'd see it in famine zones world wide. How do you know that you do not see it in famine zones? And that would be comparing apples to oranges. Famine and malnourishment, insofar as these discussions are concerned, are different. Famine is having access to very little food, generally quickly leading to severe malnutrition and possibly death. Malnourishment, the way we are using the word in these discussions, is having food with low levels of nourishment over a longer period of time where we witness much more subtle and maybe not so subtle effects. I am always struck at how people take simple straightforward logic to their absolute extremes to argue a point when the extreme is not and has never been the point of the discussion in the first place. I am talking about relatively subtle and sometimes not so subtle effects of sometimes clinical and often sub-clinical nutrient deficiencies over the entire developmental period of a child. From conception to the age when they are diagnosed with a plethora of various symptoms. Simply put, a child that is not physically and/or mentally robust is sufferring from something that is wrong, and I propose that the majority of these problems are, in fact, nutritionally related. And the problems comes from the Standard American Diet that is very high in sugars, high in refined grain products and high in highly processed vegetable oils which are all low in basic nutrition. These basic foods are low in healthy proteins, healthy fats, healthy carbs, and essential vitamins and minerals. We've gotten away from real (ie. nutritious) foods and we gorge on nutritionally empty modern processed garbage foods. The assumption that the American food supply is adequate for optimal health is what has gotten us to where we are today. The rates of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, chrohn's disease, mental conditions, ADHD, etc. are at their highest in history DESPITE the doctors and their prescriptions. Something is seriously wrong here. And it ain't the genetics. They haven't changed. But the nature of our food supply has. You don't see it disproportionally high in such circumstances. You don't see it cured with dietary changes, either. Its a neurological disorder with genetic components. I quote "The estimated contribution of non genetic factors to the contribution of all cases of ADHD is 20 percent" None of those mentioned were malnourishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhd The exact cause of ADHD remains unknown. Have you noticed that doctors don't seem to know what causes all kinds of health problems like obesity, diabetes, chrohn's, cancers, etc. But they will most definitely treat you for these, despite not knowing much about the actual causes. Makes for a lot of doctor fees and prescriptions. Last year they sold more than 500 billion dollars in pharmaceuticals. Yet, we are still sick, still dying, and no-one is being actually cured, just "treated". I would suggest that we look elsewhere for some insight as to what causes these problems, since doctors are admittedly completely ignorant of the causes. Research suggests that ADHD arises from a combination of various genes, many of which affect dopamine transporters.[27] Suspect genes include the 10-repeat allele of the DAT1 gene,[28] the 7-repeat allele of the DRD4 gene,[28] and the dopamine beta hydroxylase gene (DBH TaqI).[29] Additionally, SPECT scans found people with ADHD to have reduced blood circulation,[30] and a significantly higher concentration of dopamine transporters in the striatum which is in charge of planning ahead.[31] A new study by the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in collaboration with Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York suggest that it is not the dopamine transporter levels that indicate ADHD, but the brain's ability to produce dopamine itself. The study was done by injecting 20 ADHD subjects and 25 control subjects with a radiotracer that attaches itself to dopamine transporters. The study found that it was not the transporter levels that indicated ADHD, but the dopamine itself. ADHD subjects showed lower levels of dopamine across the board. They speculated that since ADHD subjects had lower levels of dopamine to begin with, the number of transporters in the brain was not the telling factor.[citation needed] An early PET scan study found that global cerebral glucose metabolism was 8.1% lower in medication-naive adults who had been diagnosed as ADHD while children. The image on the left illustrates glucose metabolism in the brain of a 'normal' adult while doing an assigned auditory attention task; the image on the right illustrates the areas of activity in the brain of an adult who had been diagnosed with ADHD as a child when given that same task; these are not pictures of individual brains, which would contain substantial overlap, these are images constructed to illustrate group-level differences. Additionally, the regions with the greatest deficit of activity in the ADHD patients (relative to the controls) included the premotor cortex and the superior prefrontal cortex.[26] These findings strongly imply that lowered activity in specific regions of the brain, rather than a broad global deficit, is involved in ADHD symptoms. However, it should be noted that these readings are of subjects doing an assigned task. They could be found in ADHD diagnosed patients because they simply were not attending to the task. Hence the parts of the brain used by others doing the task would not show equal activity in the ADHD patients.[citation needed] The estimated contribution of non genetic factors to the contribution of all cases of ADHD is 20 percent.[32] The few environmental factors implicated fall in the realm of biohazards and include alcohol, tobacco smoke, and lead poisoning. Complications during pregnancy and birth-including premature birth-might also play a role. It has been observed that women who smoke while pregnant are more likely to have children with ADHD.[33] This could be related to the fact than nicotine is known to cause hypoxia (lack of oxygen) in utero, but it could also be that ADHD women have more probabilities to smoke both in general and during pregnancy, being more likely to have children with ADHD due to genetic factors. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 24, 9:48 pm, Mark Probert wrote:
TC wrote: On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. I have heard that MORONIC statement before. AFAIAC, it is one of the more stupid comments made, since it is, in essence, a straw man. ADHD is neither nutritionally based or a deficiency of anything ingestible. The best evidence is that it is a combination of structural and chemical differences affecting how the brain handles brain roduced chemicals. And what causes it? It just happens? And it just happens to affect more and more and more children just because? Thirty years ago, very few kids showed such problems. Now they are frikkin' everywhere. I know a person that works at an elementary school. More than 50% of the kids today at that school needs special assistance due to conditions like ADHD. That was not the case a couple of generations ago when we ate real food with few sugary treats. Before we drank a half gallon of high fructose corn syrup laden soda every day with every meal. Before mac a cheese was a staple. Before margarine replace butter in most households. The SAD diet has completely destroyed the health of not only our friens and family but more tragically, the current and next generation of children. They do not get ADHD for no reason. Or because we haven't fed them Ritalin. Look at the absurdity of your logic. A pill with a tiny amount of a chemical called Ritalin is supposed to confer a life changing magical cure to a devastating condition. Yet, everything else they put into their mouths that is supposed to provide life giving nutrition and allow them to thrive physically and mentally is, according to you, completely irrelevant to this condition and their general health. get real. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
TC wrote:
On Jul 24, 3:50 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 24, 10:23 am, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. ADHD is not a disease of malnourshment. IF it were, you'd see it in famine zones world wide. How do you know that you do not see it in famine zones? And that would be comparing apples to oranges. Famine and malnourishment, insofar as these discussions are concerned, are different. Famine is having access to very little food, generally quickly leading to severe malnutrition and possibly death. Malnourishment, the way we are using the word in these discussions, is having food with low levels of nourishment over a longer period of time where we witness much more subtle and maybe not so subtle effects. I am always struck at how people take simple straightforward logic to their absolute extremes to argue a point when the extreme is not and has never been the point of the discussion in the first place. I am talking about relatively subtle and sometimes not so subtle effects of sometimes clinical and often sub-clinical nutrient deficiencies over the entire developmental period of a child. From conception to the age when they are diagnosed with a plethora of various symptoms. Simply put, a child that is not physically and/or mentally robust is sufferring from something that is wrong, and I propose that the majority of these problems are, in fact, nutritionally related. And the problems comes from the Standard American Diet that is very high in sugars, high in refined grain products and high in highly processed vegetable oils which are all low in basic nutrition. These basic foods are low in healthy proteins, healthy fats, healthy carbs, and essential vitamins and minerals. We've gotten away from real (ie. nutritious) foods and we gorge on nutritionally empty modern processed garbage foods. The assumption that the American food supply is adequate for optimal health is what has gotten us to where we are today. The rates of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, chrohn's disease, mental conditions, ADHD, etc. are at their highest in history DESPITE the doctors and their prescriptions. Something is seriously wrong here. And it ain't the genetics. They haven't changed. But the nature of our food supply has. You are quite partially correct. Genetics have no changed. That is why the first descriptions of AD/HD are over a century ago. It is not a new problem, just a newly recognized one. You don't see it disproportionally high in such circumstances. You don't see it cured with dietary changes, either. Its a neurological disorder with genetic components. I quote "The estimated contribution of non genetic factors to the contribution of all cases of ADHD is 20 percent" None of those mentioned were malnourishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhd The exact cause of ADHD remains unknown. Have you noticed that doctors don't seem to know what causes all kinds of health problems like obesity, diabetes, chrohn's, cancers, etc. But they will most definitely treat you for these, despite not knowing much about the actual causes. Makes for a lot of doctor fees and prescriptions. Last year they sold more than 500 billion dollars in pharmaceuticals. Yet, we are still sick, still dying, and no-one is being actually cured, just "treated". Have you noticed that there has been hundreds of research studies looking for the causes of AD/HD, etc? Have you noticed that the technology for "looking" has been rapidly changing over the past several decades? I would suggest that we look elsewhere for some insight as to what causes these problems, since doctors are admittedly completely ignorant of the causes. "We" are. You are just not aware of them, or, you are employing the fallacy of "I do not know about it, so it does not exist." |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
TC wrote:
On Jul 24, 9:48 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. I have heard that MORONIC statement before. AFAIAC, it is one of the more stupid comments made, since it is, in essence, a straw man. ADHD is neither nutritionally based or a deficiency of anything ingestible. The best evidence is that it is a combination of structural and chemical differences affecting how the brain handles brain roduced chemicals. And what causes it? It just happens? And it just happens to affect more and more and more children just because? The best evidence available says it is genetics. Thirty years ago, very few kids showed such problems. Now they are frikkin' everywhere. They were "everywhere" back then. They were either ignored (ADD inattentive type) or called rotten kids who won't behave. They were the kids who were lazy, crazy and stupid. Then, we passed some laws...The Rehab Act and IDEA. In 1991, under the Bush I regime, the US Department of Education mandated that LEAs begin actively examining those kids who were not learning. They began finding lots of kids with real, diagnosable problems. I know a person that works at an elementary school. More than 50% of the kids today at that school needs special assistance due to conditions like ADHD. I heard a similar story several years ago. It was published in Forbes Magazine and actually specified the school. An amazing thing happened. The principal of the school was a subscriber, and wrote to Forbes to tell them they were full of crap. Forbes did not publish it. Media bull****. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...e=source&hl=en That was not the case a couple of generations ago when we ate real food with few sugary treats. Before we drank a half gallon of high fructose corn syrup laden soda every day with every meal. Before mac a cheese was a staple. Before margarine replace butter in most households. The SAD diet has completely destroyed the health of not only our friens and family but more tragically, the current and next generation of children. They do not get ADHD for no reason. Or because we haven't fed them Ritalin. Look at the absurdity of your logic. A pill with a tiny amount of a chemical called Ritalin is supposed to confer a life changing magical cure to a devastating condition. No one has claimed what you write, Mr.Straw Man. Yet, everything else they put into their mouths that is supposed to provide life giving nutrition and allow them to thrive physically and mentally is, according to you, completely irrelevant to this condition and their general health. get real. |
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"Mark Probert" REPEATED THE REPEATED, REPEATLY: Straw Man. Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 24 of 24 for "straw man" Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,060,000 for "straw man" . (0.15 seconds) |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
"Mark Probert" wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 24, 3:50 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 24, 10:23 am, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. ADHD is not a disease of malnourshment. IF it were, you'd see it in famine zones world wide. How do you know that you do not see it in famine zones? And that would be comparing apples to oranges. Famine and malnourishment, insofar as these discussions are concerned, are different. Famine is having access to very little food, generally quickly leading to severe malnutrition and possibly death. Malnourishment, the way we are using the word in these discussions, is having food with low levels of nourishment over a longer period of time where we witness much more subtle and maybe not so subtle effects. I am always struck at how people take simple straightforward logic to their absolute extremes to argue a point when the extreme is not and has never been the point of the discussion in the first place. I am talking about relatively subtle and sometimes not so subtle effects of sometimes clinical and often sub-clinical nutrient deficiencies over the entire developmental period of a child. From conception to the age when they are diagnosed with a plethora of various symptoms. Simply put, a child that is not physically and/or mentally robust is sufferring from something that is wrong, and I propose that the majority of these problems are, in fact, nutritionally related. And the problems comes from the Standard American Diet that is very high in sugars, high in refined grain products and high in highly processed vegetable oils which are all low in basic nutrition. These basic foods are low in healthy proteins, healthy fats, healthy carbs, and essential vitamins and minerals. We've gotten away from real (ie. nutritious) foods and we gorge on nutritionally empty modern processed garbage foods. The assumption that the American food supply is adequate for optimal health is what has gotten us to where we are today. The rates of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, chrohn's disease, mental conditions, ADHD, etc. are at their highest in history DESPITE the doctors and their prescriptions. Something is seriously wrong here. And it ain't the genetics. They haven't changed. But the nature of our food supply has. You are quite partially correct. Genetics have no changed. That is why the first descriptions of AD/HD are over a century ago. It is not a new problem, just a newly recognized one. Along with a whole list of causes. Invented to sell more ADHD drugs. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
In article .com,
TC wrote: Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. The cause of Crohn's disease is not known, though diet does have an affect on it once it is present. ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. ADHD is not a dietary disease. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Yes, there was. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." -- Bill Maher |
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