Abreaction - and why spankers are misled.

abreaction

n : (psychoanalysis) purging of emotional tensions [syn: catharsis,
katharsis]

There is a phenomena that takes place when an abrupt and startling
event takes place. It is called "abreaction." It also can happen when
something unique and different in a profound way happens to an
individual.

It is mediated, of course, by the perceptions of the recipient.

In the field of mental health this has sometimes been recognized and
used, especially in hospital treatment centers. Cold baths, or
wrapping in wet sheets does in fact tend to calm patients.

The use of corporal punishment is most certainly to have this effect
everytime it is used.

Rather like post orgasmic resolution this effect appears in the child
right after being spanked, and is misunderstood and mislabled
"obedience," or "compliance," with often both the parent and child
exhibiting all the characteristics of this emotional letdown that comes
as a result of abreaction. In fact it simply is abreaction.

Is it useful?

Well, you remember the old movies were someone who has become
hysterical gets slapped and sure enough they calm down? It's far more
profound than the actors depicted.

Tension drains from the body. The mind goes blank and somewhat
tracelike in it's activity.

In fact, a person is highly suseptable to suggestion in such moments.
Some know this and take advantage of it.

Parents can, but this brings up some ethical as well as abuse
questions.

Is a parent so right in all things that they should use such moments to
'indoctrinate' a child?

Is it ethical to jar a person into abreaction for any reason,
purposefully?

This folks is why parents think spanking "works."

The child is responding just as a prisoner in a POW camp does and did
during the Korean war when such methods were borrowed from the mental
health profession and put to use to break the detainees.

Do you want a broken child, or a fully developed human being?

The former is "cannon fodder," and a slavish consumer more likely.

They can be led about easily by the clever and willing and
unscrupulous.

The child raised through full trust (not the phony appearance of it
that comes right after spanking, because of abreaction) and support of
their learning without humiliation and pain does not provide any
handles for others to get ahold of and use. The are independent. Self
determined.

You get what you make.

A beaten slave, or a human at her majority well into her potential
solidly.

Think when you spank what you might be creating.

Kane

Did this include the Hutterites? ;-)

Doan


On 18 Jan 2006, 0;- wrote:

abreaction

n : (psychoanalysis) purging of emotional tensions [syn: catharsis,
katharsis]

There is a phenomena that takes place when an abrupt and startling
event takes place. It is called "abreaction." It also can happen when
something unique and different in a profound way happens to an
individual.

It is mediated, of course, by the perceptions of the recipient.

In the field of mental health this has sometimes been recognized and
used, especially in hospital treatment centers. Cold baths, or
wrapping in wet sheets does in fact tend to calm patients.

The use of corporal punishment is most certainly to have this effect
everytime it is used.

Rather like post orgasmic resolution this effect appears in the child
right after being spanked, and is misunderstood and mislabled
"obedience," or "compliance," with often both the parent and child
exhibiting all the characteristics of this emotional letdown that comes
as a result of abreaction. In fact it simply is abreaction.

Is it useful?

Well, you remember the old movies were someone who has become
hysterical gets slapped and sure enough they calm down? It's far more
profound than the actors depicted.

Tension drains from the body. The mind goes blank and somewhat
tracelike in it's activity.

In fact, a person is highly suseptable to suggestion in such moments.
Some know this and take advantage of it.

Parents can, but this brings up some ethical as well as abuse
questions.

Is a parent so right in all things that they should use such moments to
'indoctrinate' a child?

Is it ethical to jar a person into abreaction for any reason,
purposefully?

This folks is why parents think spanking "works."

The child is responding just as a prisoner in a POW camp does and did
during the Korean war when such methods were borrowed from the mental
health profession and put to use to break the detainees.

Do you want a broken child, or a fully developed human being?

The former is "cannon fodder," and a slavish consumer more likely.

They can be led about easily by the clever and willing and
unscrupulous.

The child raised through full trust (not the phony appearance of it
that comes right after spanking, because of abreaction) and support of
their learning without humiliation and pain does not provide any
handles for others to get ahold of and use. The are independent. Self
determined.

You get what you make.

A beaten slave, or a human at her majority well into her potential
solidly.

Think when you spank what you might be creating.

Kane

Wow, good article.

Originally Posted by 0;-

abreaction

n : (psychoanalysis) purging of emotional tensions [syn: catharsis,
katharsis]

There is a phenomena that takes place when an abrupt and startling
event takes place. It is called "abreaction." It also can happen when
something unique and different in a profound way happens to an
individual.

It is mediated, of course, by the perceptions of the recipient.

In the field of mental health this has sometimes been recognized and
used, especially in hospital treatment centers. Cold baths, or
wrapping in wet sheets does in fact tend to calm patients.

The use of corporal punishment is most certainly to have this effect
everytime it is used.

Rather like post orgasmic resolution this effect appears in the child
right after being spanked, and is misunderstood and mislabled
"obedience," or "compliance," with often both the parent and child
exhibiting all the characteristics of this emotional letdown that comes
as a result of abreaction. In fact it simply is abreaction.

Is it useful?

Well, you remember the old movies were someone who has become
hysterical gets slapped and sure enough they calm down? It's far more
profound than the actors depicted.

Tension drains from the body. The mind goes blank and somewhat
tracelike in it's activity.

In fact, a person is highly suseptable to suggestion in such moments.
Some know this and take advantage of it.

Parents can, but this brings up some ethical as well as abuse
questions.

Is a parent so right in all things that they should use such moments to
'indoctrinate' a child?

Is it ethical to jar a person into abreaction for any reason,
purposefully?

This folks is why parents think spanking "works."

The child is responding just as a prisoner in a POW camp does and did
during the Korean war when such methods were borrowed from the mental
health profession and put to use to break the detainees.

Do you want a broken child, or a fully developed human being?

The former is "cannon fodder," and a slavish consumer more likely.

They can be led about easily by the clever and willing and
unscrupulous.

The child raised through full trust (not the phony appearance of it
that comes right after spanking, because of abreaction) and support of
their learning without humiliation and pain does not provide any
handles for others to get ahold of and use. The are independent. Self
determined.

You get what you make.

A beaten slave, or a human at her majority well into her potential
solidly.

Think when you spank what you might be creating.

Kane

beccafromlalaland wrote:
Wow, good article.

Mmm...I didn't mean to write it as an article. Sounded that stiff, eh?

No, it's from something I've taught though. Many many years ago.

And it IS what fools spankers into thinking 'it works.'

It's just brainwashing and creating a "compliant" child. Not a self
regulating one.

But I said that.

Thanks for the compliment.

You are making a good point on what you say.

I have a problem with accepting that those things we have over the
animals, the power of speech, the capacity to control our young with
more exactness and subtlety than animals, even building our homes and
containers for them, replaced, or should have, long ago, the use of
pain to teach. The ability to reason as they grow older. All these
things animals lack. So they use pain.

In fact it should be a marker for 'humaness" that we do not hurt our
young to teach them, because we don't have to and are too moral to.
Unlike animals.

Kane



0;- Wrote:
abreaction

n : (psychoanalysis) purging of emotional tensions [syn: catharsis,
katharsis]

There is a phenomena that takes place when an abrupt and startling
event takes place. It is called "abreaction." It also can happen when
something unique and different in a profound way happens to an
individual.

It is mediated, of course, by the perceptions of the recipient.

In the field of mental health this has sometimes been recognized and
used, especially in hospital treatment centers. Cold baths, or
wrapping in wet sheets does in fact tend to calm patients.

The use of corporal punishment is most certainly to have this effect
everytime it is used.

Rather like post orgasmic resolution this effect appears in the child
right after being spanked, and is misunderstood and mislabled
"obedience," or "compliance," with often both the parent and child
exhibiting all the characteristics of this emotional letdown that
comes
as a result of abreaction. In fact it simply is abreaction.

Is it useful?

Well, you remember the old movies were someone who has become
hysterical gets slapped and sure enough they calm down? It's far more
profound than the actors depicted.

Tension drains from the body. The mind goes blank and somewhat
tracelike in it's activity.

In fact, a person is highly suseptable to suggestion in such moments.
Some know this and take advantage of it.

Parents can, but this brings up some ethical as well as abuse
questions.

Is a parent so right in all things that they should use such moments
to
'indoctrinate' a child?

Is it ethical to jar a person into abreaction for any reason,
purposefully?

This folks is why parents think spanking "works."

The child is responding just as a prisoner in a POW camp does and did
during the Korean war when such methods were borrowed from the mental
health profession and put to use to break the detainees.

Do you want a broken child, or a fully developed human being?

The former is "cannon fodder," and a slavish consumer more likely.

They can be led about easily by the clever and willing and
unscrupulous.

The child raised through full trust (not the phony appearance of it
that comes right after spanking, because of abreaction) and support of
their learning without humiliation and pain does not provide any
handles for others to get ahold of and use. The are independent. Self
determined.

You get what you make.

A beaten slave, or a human at her majority well into her potential
solidly.

Think when you spank what you might be creating.

Kane


--
beccafromlalaland

LOL! Ignoranus Kane0 trying to puff himself up again. Anyone
want to have a laugh, just look up abreaction to see what it
REALLY means. Have a nice day! ;-)

Doan


On 20 Jan 2006, Kane wrote:


beccafromlalaland wrote:
Wow, good article.

Mmm...I didn't mean to write it as an article. Sounded that stiff, eh?

No, it's from something I've taught though. Many many years ago.

And it IS what fools spankers into thinking 'it works.'

It's just brainwashing and creating a "compliant" child. Not a self
regulating one.

But I said that.

Thanks for the compliment.

You are making a good point on what you say.

I have a problem with accepting that those things we have over the
animals, the power of speech, the capacity to control our young with
more exactness and subtlety than animals, even building our homes and
containers for them, replaced, or should have, long ago, the use of
pain to teach. The ability to reason as they grow older. All these
things animals lack. So they use pain.

In fact it should be a marker for 'humaness" that we do not hurt our
young to teach them, because we don't have to and are too moral to.
Unlike animals.

Kane



0;- Wrote:
abreaction

n : (psychoanalysis) purging of emotional tensions [syn: catharsis,
katharsis]

There is a phenomena that takes place when an abrupt and startling
event takes place. It is called "abreaction." It also can happen when
something unique and different in a profound way happens to an
individual.

It is mediated, of course, by the perceptions of the recipient.

In the field of mental health this has sometimes been recognized and
used, especially in hospital treatment centers. Cold baths, or
wrapping in wet sheets does in fact tend to calm patients.

The use of corporal punishment is most certainly to have this effect
everytime it is used.

Rather like post orgasmic resolution this effect appears in the child
right after being spanked, and is misunderstood and mislabled
"obedience," or "compliance," with often both the parent and child
exhibiting all the characteristics of this emotional letdown that
comes
as a result of abreaction. In fact it simply is abreaction.

Is it useful?

Well, you remember the old movies were someone who has become
hysterical gets slapped and sure enough they calm down? It's far more
profound than the actors depicted.

Tension drains from the body. The mind goes blank and somewhat
tracelike in it's activity.

In fact, a person is highly suseptable to suggestion in such moments.
Some know this and take advantage of it.

Parents can, but this brings up some ethical as well as abuse
questions.

Is a parent so right in all things that they should use such moments
to
'indoctrinate' a child?

Is it ethical to jar a person into abreaction for any reason,
purposefully?

This folks is why parents think spanking "works."

The child is responding just as a prisoner in a POW camp does and did
during the Korean war when such methods were borrowed from the mental
health profession and put to use to break the detainees.

Do you want a broken child, or a fully developed human being?

The former is "cannon fodder," and a slavish consumer more likely.

They can be led about easily by the clever and willing and
unscrupulous.

The child raised through full trust (not the phony appearance of it
that comes right after spanking, because of abreaction) and support of
their learning without humiliation and pain does not provide any
handles for others to get ahold of and use. The are independent. Self
determined.

You get what you make.

A beaten slave, or a human at her majority well into her potential
solidly.

Think when you spank what you might be creating.

Kane


--
beccafromlalaland

Hi beccafromlalalan,

http://www.mindworks.uk.com/website/abreaction.htm

"An abreaction is an unpleasant response that may occur during trance. It
is usually triggered as repressed uncomfortable memories are brought to
conscious awareness during trance. This may happen at any time during
hypnosis as the subject is accessing areas of the mind that are normally
beyond conscious awareness, but it is more likely to occur during
regression.

Many therapists attempt to induce an abreaction in their patients as a
form of therapy, to help them release unconscious emotional energy. This
can yield remarkable results. Other therapists prefer to look at a
traumatic experience from a disassociated position, allowing more recently
gained wisdom to change the way that an event affects their life."

Just another of Ignoranus Kane0's "formidable research skill"! ;-)

Doan

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, beccafromlalaland wrote:


Wow, good article.

0;- Wrote:
abreaction

n : (psychoanalysis) purging of emotional tensions [syn: catharsis,
katharsis]

There is a phenomena that takes place when an abrupt and startling
event takes place. It is called "abreaction." It also can happen when
something unique and different in a profound way happens to an
individual.

It is mediated, of course, by the perceptions of the recipient.

In the field of mental health this has sometimes been recognized and
used, especially in hospital treatment centers. Cold baths, or
wrapping in wet sheets does in fact tend to calm patients.

The use of corporal punishment is most certainly to have this effect
everytime it is used.

Rather like post orgasmic resolution this effect appears in the child
right after being spanked, and is misunderstood and mislabled
"obedience," or "compliance," with often both the parent and child
exhibiting all the characteristics of this emotional letdown that
comes
as a result of abreaction. In fact it simply is abreaction.

Is it useful?

Well, you remember the old movies were someone who has become
hysterical gets slapped and sure enough they calm down? It's far more
profound than the actors depicted.

Tension drains from the body. The mind goes blank and somewhat
tracelike in it's activity.

In fact, a person is highly suseptable to suggestion in such moments.
Some know this and take advantage of it.

Parents can, but this brings up some ethical as well as abuse
questions.

Is a parent so right in all things that they should use such moments
to
'indoctrinate' a child?

Is it ethical to jar a person into abreaction for any reason,
purposefully?

This folks is why parents think spanking "works."

The child is responding just as a prisoner in a POW camp does and did
during the Korean war when such methods were borrowed from the mental
health profession and put to use to break the detainees.

Do you want a broken child, or a fully developed human being?

The former is "cannon fodder," and a slavish consumer more likely.

They can be led about easily by the clever and willing and
unscrupulous.

The child raised through full trust (not the phony appearance of it
that comes right after spanking, because of abreaction) and support of
their learning without humiliation and pain does not provide any
handles for others to get ahold of and use. The are independent. Self
determined.

You get what you make.

A beaten slave, or a human at her majority well into her potential
solidly.

Think when you spank what you might be creating.

Kane


--
beccafromlalaland

Doan wrote:
Hi beccafromlalalan,

http://www.mindworks.uk.com/website/abreaction.htm

"An abreaction is an unpleasant response that may occur during trance. It
is usually triggered as repressed uncomfortable memories are brought to
conscious awareness during trance. This may happen at any time during
hypnosis as the subject is accessing areas of the mind that are normally
beyond conscious awareness, but it is more likely to occur during
regression.

Many therapists attempt to induce an abreaction in their patients as a
form of therapy, to help them release unconscious emotional energy. This
can yield remarkable results. Other therapists prefer to look at a
traumatic experience from a disassociated position, allowing more recently
gained wisdom to change the way that an event affects their life."

"Abreaction" is confined to therapy? In fact, this is a good argument
for exactly what I described...that there is a reaction, called
"abreaction," from the "trauma," in my example, spanking a child.

Just another of Ignoranus Kane0's "formidable research skill"! ;-)

Just how desperate are you for attention, child?

Doan

This citation of yours proves that abreaction happens in no other
circumstances?

For instance, is a startle reaction limited only to sudden frightening
events driving in traffic?

Brilliant monkeyboy. Just brilliant.

You are a child, and likely stay that way because of childhood trauma.
So sad.

The unspanked child doesn't usually have these kinds of spastic
isolations of principles in a discussion. Unable to see the whole
elephant, they think it's all a piece of rope.

Normal people already know that a reaction, for instance, abreaction in
this case, isn't limited to one set of circumstances.

You still have the same "logic" you have always had: an overwhelming
desire to argue and get attention at any cost, even making a complete
fool of yourself if that's what it takes.

Find an argument or data that shows a spanked child is NOT at risk of
an "abreaction" response and you have a real debating point.

Sadly, you will likely never grow up. At least not until you face the
childhood trauma of having your trusted parent hit you.

Go away, you poor foolish boy. Let the adults move on with their
concerns about the safety and humane parenting of children.

Ca-thar-sis (from dictionary.com):

1. Medicine. Purgation, especially for the digestive system.
2. A purifying or figurative cleansing of the emotions, especially
pity and fear, described by Aristotle as an effect of tragic drama on
its audience.
3. A release of emotional tension, as after an overwhelming
experience, that restores or refreshes the spirit.
4. Psychology.
1. A technique used to relieve tension and anxiety by bringing
repressed feelings and fears to consciousness.
2. The therapeutic result of this process; abreaction."

Thus it could be argued that "spanking" is therapeutic. Anyone want to
tackle that as a rationale for spanking?

Presumably therapy is for a purpose other than learning. I pointed out
that this technique used in "brainwashing" was borrowed from the field
of psychology -- therapy.

It is inappropriate for it to be used for other purposes. And likely
has considerable risk in the hands of anyone but a trained therapist.

This IS how monsters are made.

"Abreaction" is so respected by the psychology field for it's potential
for harm and even warping reality they caution in papers on therapy:
"
The
extended interviewing format allows the
evaluator to gain an understanding of
how the child processes information,
child's self perception and any indicators
of dissociation, child's relationship with
family members and suspected alleged
perpetrator, the alleged abuse events, and
most importantly to carefully pace the
questioning of abuse related topics to
minimize abreaction or the use of dissociative
mechanisms which can affect recall.
"

In other words, it is a risk to the child's mental health....the
factual objective perception of reality.

That's how monsters are made.

In fact this publication has another article on the subject of school
paddling that is very worth a read...for the revelation that the
rationale claimed by some black proponents of paddling that it's a
tradition and a cultural thing from Africa is dumped upside down by a
black scholar of great repute:

http://atrium.issd.org/membersonly/N...F/ISSD04Ja.pdf

The
school board in Dallas, TX recently
debated the cp issue. One board member
commented that paddling is a part of
black culture. However, as noted by
black psychiatrist Dr. Alvin Puissant of
Harvard, paddling was not a part of
African culture. Paddling and other forms
of cp became a part of black American
culture, and southern culture in general,
as a part of slavery. Just as slaves were
whipped to break their spirits and force
them to do backbreaking labor on plantations,
they began whipping their own
children, to make them compliant so
they would not rebel and be sold off to a
different plantation owner and thus
become separated forever from the parents.

"Make them compliant," as a slave must be to survive. Do we wish to
raise compliant slaves, or even compliant human beings?

0:-

It has NOTHING to do with spanking, STUPID!

Doan

On 20 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
Hi beccafromlalalan,

http://www.mindworks.uk.com/website/abreaction.htm

"An abreaction is an unpleasant response that may occur during trance. It
is usually triggered as repressed uncomfortable memories are brought to
conscious awareness during trance. This may happen at any time during
hypnosis as the subject is accessing areas of the mind that are normally
beyond conscious awareness, but it is more likely to occur during
regression.

Many therapists attempt to induce an abreaction in their patients as a
form of therapy, to help them release unconscious emotional energy. This
can yield remarkable results. Other therapists prefer to look at a
traumatic experience from a disassociated position, allowing more recently
gained wisdom to change the way that an event affects their life."

"Abreaction" is confined to therapy? In fact, this is a good argument
for exactly what I described...that there is a reaction, called
"abreaction," from the "trauma," in my example, spanking a child.

Just another of Ignoranus Kane0's "formidable research skill"! ;-)

Just how desperate are you for attention, child?

Doan

This citation of yours proves that abreaction happens in no other
circumstances?

For instance, is a startle reaction limited only to sudden frightening
events driving in traffic?

Brilliant monkeyboy. Just brilliant.

You are a child, and likely stay that way because of childhood trauma.
So sad.

The unspanked child doesn't usually have these kinds of spastic
isolations of principles in a discussion. Unable to see the whole
elephant, they think it's all a piece of rope.

Normal people already know that a reaction, for instance, abreaction in
this case, isn't limited to one set of circumstances.

You still have the same "logic" you have always had: an overwhelming
desire to argue and get attention at any cost, even making a complete
fool of yourself if that's what it takes.

Find an argument or data that shows a spanked child is NOT at risk of
an "abreaction" response and you have a real debating point.

Sadly, you will likely never grow up. At least not until you face the
childhood trauma of having your trusted parent hit you.

Go away, you poor foolish boy. Let the adults move on with their
concerns about the safety and humane parenting of children.

Ca-thar-sis (from dictionary.com):

1. Medicine. Purgation, especially for the digestive system.
2. A purifying or figurative cleansing of the emotions, especially
pity and fear, described by Aristotle as an effect of tragic drama on
its audience.
3. A release of emotional tension, as after an overwhelming
experience, that restores or refreshes the spirit.
4. Psychology.
1. A technique used to relieve tension and anxiety by bringing
repressed feelings and fears to consciousness.
2. The therapeutic result of this process; abreaction."

Thus it could be argued that "spanking" is therapeutic. Anyone want to
tackle that as a rationale for spanking?

Presumably therapy is for a purpose other than learning. I pointed out
that this technique used in "brainwashing" was borrowed from the field
of psychology -- therapy.

It is inappropriate for it to be used for other purposes. And likely
has considerable risk in the hands of anyone but a trained therapist.

This IS how monsters are made.

"Abreaction" is so respected by the psychology field for it's potential
for harm and even warping reality they caution in papers on therapy:
"
The
extended interviewing format allows the
evaluator to gain an understanding of
how the child processes information,
child's self perception and any indicators
of dissociation, child's relationship with
family members and suspected alleged
perpetrator, the alleged abuse events, and
most importantly to carefully pace the
questioning of abuse related topics to
minimize abreaction or the use of dissociative
mechanisms which can affect recall.
"

In other words, it is a risk to the child's mental health....the
factual objective perception of reality.

That's how monsters are made.

In fact this publication has another article on the subject of school
paddling that is very worth a read...for the revelation that the
rationale claimed by some black proponents of paddling that it's a
tradition and a cultural thing from Africa is dumped upside down by a
black scholar of great repute:

http://atrium.issd.org/membersonly/N...F/ISSD04Ja.pdf

The
school board in Dallas, TX recently
debated the cp issue. One board member
commented that paddling is a part of
black culture. However, as noted by
black psychiatrist Dr. Alvin Puissant of
Harvard, paddling was not a part of
African culture. Paddling and other forms
of cp became a part of black American
culture, and southern culture in general,
as a part of slavery. Just as slaves were
whipped to break their spirits and force
them to do backbreaking labor on plantations,
they began whipping their own
children, to make them compliant so
they would not rebel and be sold off to a
different plantation owner and thus
become separated forever from the parents.

"Make them compliant," as a slave must be to survive. Do we wish to
raise compliant slaves, or even compliant human beings?

0:-

Doan wrote:
It has NOTHING to do with spanking, STUPID!

"It" as in your quote may not, but prove that spanking has no "shock"
effect followed by abreaction.

That is not more attainable, Dancing Screeching Hysterical Monkeyboy,
than your silly attempt to find 'The Line.'

R R R R R R

Want to make a wild guess who thinks who the stupid one is here?

When you figure out how to spank without shock to the child's system,
and subsequent "cathartic release of tension" the description for
"abreaction," let the spankers know..all those believing they are doing
no harm will love you for your proof.

I was writing for the benefit of parents, and I know you haven't found
your Monkeylove yet, and most likely because none would want a child by
you. Not one you could get your hands on at any rate.

The parents who have spanked can easily recognize this phenomea. They
just didn't realise it wasn't so much agreement with them by the child,
but simply a bio-chemical reaction in the child.

By the way, continued stressors tend to make a human being prone to
depression.

You do recall that here and there have been claims that the spanked
child tends toward mental illness, no?

That's one. Clinical Depression. The most common in our society. Oddly,
a society that spanks at a rate, you claim, of about 90% of all
children. Weird eh? Probably no connection though. 0:-

You poor poor boy.

Is THIS how you avoid the depressing fact that you were brutalized by
your parents when you were a child?

See a shrink. Long term the prognosis is not good, DSHM.

0:-



Doan

On 20 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
Hi beccafromlalalan,

http://www.mindworks.uk.com/website/abreaction.htm

"An abreaction is an unpleasant response that may occur during trance. It
is usually triggered as repressed uncomfortable memories are brought to
conscious awareness during trance. This may happen at any time during
hypnosis as the subject is accessing areas of the mind that are normally
beyond conscious awareness, but it is more likely to occur during
regression.

Many therapists attempt to induce an abreaction in their patients as a
form of therapy, to help them release unconscious emotional energy. This
can yield remarkable results. Other therapists prefer to look at a
traumatic experience from a disassociated position, allowing more recently
gained wisdom to change the way that an event affects their life."

"Abreaction" is confined to therapy? In fact, this is a good argument
for exactly what I described...that there is a reaction, called
"abreaction," from the "trauma," in my example, spanking a child.

Just another of Ignoranus Kane0's "formidable research skill"! ;-)

Just how desperate are you for attention, child?

Doan

This citation of yours proves that abreaction happens in no other
circumstances?

For instance, is a startle reaction limited only to sudden frightening
events driving in traffic?

Brilliant monkeyboy. Just brilliant.

You are a child, and likely stay that way because of childhood trauma.
So sad.

The unspanked child doesn't usually have these kinds of spastic
isolations of principles in a discussion. Unable to see the whole
elephant, they think it's all a piece of rope.

Normal people already know that a reaction, for instance, abreaction in
this case, isn't limited to one set of circumstances.

You still have the same "logic" you have always had: an overwhelming
desire to argue and get attention at any cost, even making a complete
fool of yourself if that's what it takes.

Find an argument or data that shows a spanked child is NOT at risk of
an "abreaction" response and you have a real debating point.

Sadly, you will likely never grow up. At least not until you face the
childhood trauma of having your trusted parent hit you.

Go away, you poor foolish boy. Let the adults move on with their
concerns about the safety and humane parenting of children.

Ca-thar-sis (from dictionary.com):

1. Medicine. Purgation, especially for the digestive system.
2. A purifying or figurative cleansing of the emotions, especially
pity and fear, described by Aristotle as an effect of tragic drama on
its audience.
3. A release of emotional tension, as after an overwhelming
experience, that restores or refreshes the spirit.
4. Psychology.
1. A technique used to relieve tension and anxiety by bringing
repressed feelings and fears to consciousness.
2. The therapeutic result of this process; abreaction."

Thus it could be argued that "spanking" is therapeutic. Anyone want to
tackle that as a rationale for spanking?

Presumably therapy is for a purpose other than learning. I pointed out
that this technique used in "brainwashing" was borrowed from the field
of psychology -- therapy.

It is inappropriate for it to be used for other purposes. And likely
has considerable risk in the hands of anyone but a trained therapist.

This IS how monsters are made.

"Abreaction" is so respected by the psychology field for it's potential
for harm and even warping reality they caution in papers on therapy:
"
The
extended interviewing format allows the
evaluator to gain an understanding of
how the child processes information,
child's self perception and any indicators
of dissociation, child's relationship with
family members and suspected alleged
perpetrator, the alleged abuse events, and
most importantly to carefully pace the
questioning of abuse related topics to
minimize abreaction or the use of dissociative
mechanisms which can affect recall.
"

In other words, it is a risk to the child's mental health....the
factual objective perception of reality.

That's how monsters are made.

In fact this publication has another article on the subject of school
paddling that is very worth a read...for the revelation that the
rationale claimed by some black proponents of paddling that it's a
tradition and a cultural thing from Africa is dumped upside down by a
black scholar of great repute:

http://atrium.issd.org/membersonly/N...F/ISSD04Ja.pdf

The
school board in Dallas, TX recently
debated the cp issue. One board member
commented that paddling is a part of
black culture. However, as noted by
black psychiatrist Dr. Alvin Puissant of
Harvard, paddling was not a part of
African culture. Paddling and other forms
of cp became a part of black American
culture, and southern culture in general,
as a part of slavery. Just as slaves were
whipped to break their spirits and force
them to do backbreaking labor on plantations,
they began whipping their own
children, to make them compliant so
they would not rebel and be sold off to a
different plantation owner and thus
become separated forever from the parents.

"Make them compliant," as a slave must be to survive. Do we wish to
raise compliant slaves, or even compliant human beings?

0:-

On 20 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
It has NOTHING to do with spanking, STUPID!

"It" as in your quote may not, but prove that spanking has no "shock"
effect followed by abreaction.

What? Stop making a fool of yourself! ;-)

That is not more attainable, Dancing Screeching Hysterical Monkeyboy,
than your silly attempt to find 'The Line.'

R R R R R R

Want to make a wild guess who thinks who the stupid one is here?

YOU ARE!

When you figure out how to spank without shock to the child's system,
and subsequent "cathartic release of tension" the description for
"abreaction," let the spankers know..all those believing they are doing
no harm will love you for your proof.

Kane:
"It's the non-violent gentle nature of their parenting with a fine tuned
application of developmentally approriate teaching."

Doan:
So spanking is now part of a "non-violent gentle nature"???

Kane:
"It was in this instance. It has been in research provided by you in the
past."

Must I say more? ;-)

I was writing for the benefit of parents, and I know you haven't found
your Monkeylove yet, and most likely because none would want a child by
you. Not one you could get your hands on at any rate.

The parents who have spanked can easily recognize this phenomea. They
just didn't realise it wasn't so much agreement with them by the child,
but simply a bio-chemical reaction in the child.

Does this include the Hutterites too? ;-)

By the way, continued stressors tend to make a human being prone to
depression.

You do recall that here and there have been claims that the spanked
child tends toward mental illness, no?

Claimed by whom?

That's one. Clinical Depression. The most common in our society. Oddly,
a society that spanks at a rate, you claim, of about 90% of all
children. Weird eh? Probably no connection though. 0:-

Have you checked out Sweden?

You poor poor boy.

And you're stupid "never-spanked" boy. ;-)

Is THIS how you avoid the depressing fact that you were brutalized by
your parents when you were a child?

See a shrink. Long term the prognosis is not good, DSHM.

0:-

LOL! Have you looked at the way your mom raised you?

Doan



Doan

On 20 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
Hi beccafromlalalan,

http://www.mindworks.uk.com/website/abreaction.htm

"An abreaction is an unpleasant response that may occur during trance. It
is usually triggered as repressed uncomfortable memories are brought to
conscious awareness during trance. This may happen at any time during
hypnosis as the subject is accessing areas of the mind that are normally
beyond conscious awareness, but it is more likely to occur during
regression.

Many therapists attempt to induce an abreaction in their patients as a
form of therapy, to help them release unconscious emotional energy. This
can yield remarkable results. Other therapists prefer to look at a
traumatic experience from a disassociated position, allowing more recently
gained wisdom to change the way that an event affects their life."

"Abreaction" is confined to therapy? In fact, this is a good argument
for exactly what I described...that there is a reaction, called
"abreaction," from the "trauma," in my example, spanking a child.

Just another of Ignoranus Kane0's "formidable research skill"! ;-)

Just how desperate are you for attention, child?

Doan

This citation of yours proves that abreaction happens in no other
circumstances?

For instance, is a startle reaction limited only to sudden frightening
events driving in traffic?

Brilliant monkeyboy. Just brilliant.

You are a child, and likely stay that way because of childhood trauma.
So sad.

The unspanked child doesn't usually have these kinds of spastic
isolations of principles in a discussion. Unable to see the whole
elephant, they think it's all a piece of rope.

Normal people already know that a reaction, for instance, abreaction in
this case, isn't limited to one set of circumstances.

You still have the same "logic" you have always had: an overwhelming
desire to argue and get attention at any cost, even making a complete
fool of yourself if that's what it takes.

Find an argument or data that shows a spanked child is NOT at risk of
an "abreaction" response and you have a real debating point.

Sadly, you will likely never grow up. At least not until you face the
childhood trauma of having your trusted parent hit you.

Go away, you poor foolish boy. Let the adults move on with their
concerns about the safety and humane parenting of children.

Ca-thar-sis (from dictionary.com):

1. Medicine. Purgation, especially for the digestive system.
2. A purifying or figurative cleansing of the emotions, especially
pity and fear, described by Aristotle as an effect of tragic drama on
its audience.
3. A release of emotional tension, as after an overwhelming
experience, that restores or refreshes the spirit.
4. Psychology.
1. A technique used to relieve tension and anxiety by bringing
repressed feelings and fears to consciousness.
2. The therapeutic result of this process; abreaction."

Thus it could be argued that "spanking" is therapeutic. Anyone want to
tackle that as a rationale for spanking?

Presumably therapy is for a purpose other than learning. I pointed out
that this technique used in "brainwashing" was borrowed from the field
of psychology -- therapy.

It is inappropriate for it to be used for other purposes. And likely
has considerable risk in the hands of anyone but a trained therapist.

This IS how monsters are made.

"Abreaction" is so respected by the psychology field for it's potential
for harm and even warping reality they caution in papers on therapy:
"
The
extended interviewing format allows the
evaluator to gain an understanding of
how the child processes information,
child's self perception and any indicators
of dissociation, child's relationship with
family members and suspected alleged
perpetrator, the alleged abuse events, and
most importantly to carefully pace the
questioning of abuse related topics to
minimize abreaction or the use of dissociative
mechanisms which can affect recall.
"

In other words, it is a risk to the child's mental health....the
factual objective perception of reality.

That's how monsters are made.

In fact this publication has another article on the subject of school
paddling that is very worth a read...for the revelation that the
rationale claimed by some black proponents of paddling that it's a
tradition and a cultural thing from Africa is dumped upside down by a
black scholar of great repute:

http://atrium.issd.org/membersonly/N...F/ISSD04Ja.pdf

The
school board in Dallas, TX recently
debated the cp issue. One board member
commented that paddling is a part of
black culture. However, as noted by
black psychiatrist Dr. Alvin Puissant of
Harvard, paddling was not a part of
African culture. Paddling and other forms
of cp became a part of black American
culture, and southern culture in general,
as a part of slavery. Just as slaves were
whipped to break their spirits and force
them to do backbreaking labor on plantations,
they began whipping their own
children, to make them compliant so
they would not rebel and be sold off to a
different plantation owner and thus
become separated forever from the parents.

"Make them compliant," as a slave must be to survive. Do we wish to
raise compliant slaves, or even compliant human beings?

0:-