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shinypenny wrote: *I went to the URL you posted, and just one nit: not all states have a *yield to pedestrian rule. In PA (at least when I lived there years ago) *pedestrians must yield to traffic. Where I live now we do have a yield *to pedestrian rule. When I first moved here, it took me a long while to *get used to that. :-) That was not true when I got my PA drivers' license in 1986, and it is still not true. From the PA state drivers' manual: -Yield to pedestrians crossing at intersections or in crosswalks. -When approaching a stopped car from behind, slow down, and do not pass until you are sure there are no pedestrians crossing in front of it. -Right turn on red means STOP, LOOK in all directions, and then turn when it is safe. Look for pedestrians, and allow ample time for them to clear the crosswalk. -Be extra attentive when driving at night or durin gother periods of reduced visibility. Keep your windows fog and frost free. Even with good visibility, pedestrians are less conspicuous than vehicles. -Always reduce speed when passing children. You must observe school zone speed limits and stop for school buses when red signals are flashing. -Be patient with elderly pedestrians. Usually they need extra time to cross a street. -Before backing, always check for pedestrians in your path. -Be especially considerate to pedestrians with disabilities. -Yield the right-of-way (stop if necessary) to blind pedestrians, whether they have a white cane or a dog or are led by others. http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotfor...section_10.pdf -- Hillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx |
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In article , Louise says...
do not seem to respect the pedestrians in the vicinity. Does your school have rules or guidelines for parents who pick up children by car? Our elementary school used to put a note in the school newsletter once or twice a year reminding parents that if they drove to school, they were expected to park in the parking lot and turn off their engines due to the safety hazards of cars stopping on the sides of the road and the health hazards of leaving engines running. They also sometimes had teachers or bossy parents (maybe they were members of the parent council or something?) knocking on car windows reminding them to go park in the parking lot. I'd wager these are parents who had taken the steps to park in the lot, turn off their engines, and walk with their children to school, and aren't very happy to see their efforts mocked by that ubiquitous plurality of people who can't see past their noses and just do what they darn well please. Eventually undermining the whole effort. How does that make them "bossy"? Banty |
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Hillary Israeli wrote: In . com, shinypenny wrote: *I went to the URL you posted, and just one nit: not all states have a *yield to pedestrian rule. In PA (at least when I lived there years ago) *pedestrians must yield to traffic. Where I live now we do have a yield *to pedestrian rule. When I first moved here, it took me a long while to *get used to that. :-) That was not true when I got my PA drivers' license in 1986, and it is still not true. From the PA state drivers' manual: -Yield to pedestrians crossing at intersections or in crosswalks. -When approaching a stopped car from behind, slow down, and do not pass until you are sure there are no pedestrians crossing in front of it. -Right turn on red means STOP, LOOK in all directions, and then turn when it is safe. Look for pedestrians, and allow ample time for them to clear the crosswalk. -Be extra attentive when driving at night or durin gother periods of reduced visibility. Keep your windows fog and frost free. Even with good visibility, pedestrians are less conspicuous than vehicles. -Always reduce speed when passing children. You must observe school zone speed limits and stop for school buses when red signals are flashing. -Be patient with elderly pedestrians. Usually they need extra time to cross a street. -Before backing, always check for pedestrians in your path. -Be especially considerate to pedestrians with disabilities. -Yield the right-of-way (stop if necessary) to blind pedestrians, whether they have a white cane or a dog or are led by others. http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotfor...section_10.pdf -- Hillary Israeli, VMD That's incredibly bizarre! I got my license in PA in 1982, and I don't remember anything like this in the manual I studied. And when I went to college in PA and there was no such rule, or at least it sure *seemed* there wasn't!! It was annoying because as a pedestrian you pretty much took your own life in your hands, since cars would not stop... it would take a mass of pedestrians moving together across the walk, before the cars would bother to stop. And then, it was a rolling stop... all this, in a college town with lots of pedestrians. I always laugh when people say that Boston drivers are the worse. Philly drivers are FAR worse than any driver I've seen around here in MA! LOL! Just take a cruise on the Sure-Kill... ;-) jen |
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Jeanne wrote: I think, for some reason, people think it's unsafe for children to be riding the bus or walking so they end up chauffeuring their children to school. I'm not talking about working parents who drop off their children at the school's before-care or students whose neighborhoods lack sidewalks - these are cases where parents need to drive their children. The deal here, where our buses are half-filled, is that you have to pay $225/child for a bus pass for bus stops within 2 miles of the school for K-5, and $225/child for a bus pass for 6-12, regardless of distance from the school. For a lot of folks, that $225 (or $550, or higher) works out to make driving a more economical choice, especially if they live 2+ miles from school and have multiple children in grades 6-12. There are no sidewalks here, and we're at 1.97 miles, so we pay for the bus. I keep thinking that I'll start walking my DD (1st grader), but realized that this would be 8 miles/day with her younger sibling in a stroller, and it wouldn't be do-able in the winter (the stroller, that is). So for now she's a schoolbus rider. If I had multiple children in the elementary grades, though, it'd require some hard thought about the cost of the bus, the hassle of walking, and the financial outlay. Out of curiousity, are public school busses 'free' (included in the cost of the school versus paid for like an activity) there? Caledonia |
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Caledonia wrote:
Out of curiousity, are public school busses 'free' (included in the cost of the school versus paid for like an activity) there? Bus transportation is provided at no cost here (Virginia). We actually live within walking distance, but have a bus stop due to traffic flow issues. My kids ride the bus, though we'll sometimes walk if it's nice out. They're old enough to go to the bus stop by themselves, but frankly, the bus stop is a nice way to touch base with the other parents, so I drop by on occasion just to say hi. They're last on/first off, so they have a rather short bus ride. I only do pick up/drop off if I need to do that in order to make an appointment, but we have a nice kiss'n'ride loop that is well patrolled. There are still the occasional people who won't get off their cell phones in line, but they run a pretty tight ship in general. I'm still debating if I'm going to drive on band days. It depends on how heavy and awkward DS1's instruments are for schlepping on and off the bus. If they're doing chess club, I'll have to pick up on Wednesdays anyway, and I'll have to be dressed and moving in the morning anyway to get DD to dance, so it won't be much skin off my nose to drive if it spares him from arriving black and blue ;-) Best wishes, Ericka |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:28:57 EDT, "Caledonia"
wrote: Out of curiousity, are public school busses 'free' (included in the cost of the school versus paid for like an activity) there? They are paid for from the general budget (taxes) for the four publicly-funded systems of school boards in Ontario, Canada. (English and French for each of Roman Catholic and secular) Louise |
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Cathy Kearns wrote: The survey showed me that parent prefer to drive their kids to school, and nothing we can do will change their minds. I suspect part of the reason might have to do with so many more moms working, and also the fact that every household now typically has one car per adult. When my kids were little, I think one major reason I wouldn't want them to walk is that I would want to know that they arrived safely and were at school. Since they didn't have cellphones, there wasn't any easy way for me to know. The other option would have been for me to walk with them, but that wasn't feasible. It would have been 15 minutes to one school, then another 15 minutes to the next school, and then a 20-30 minute walk back to work -- all in my professional clothes. As it was, it was 20 minutes from leaving home to being at work. Even though I chose both the schools and the apartment to be walking distance from each other and from work, it just was not doable in the mornings. And backpack weight is definitely a factor - even as early as 3rd and 4th grade. Rupa |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:28:57 EDT, "Caledonia"
wrote: [...] The deal here, where our buses are half-filled, is that you have to pay $225/child for a bus pass for bus stops within 2 miles of the school for K-5, and $225/child for a bus pass for 6-12, regardless of distance from the school. For a lot of folks, that $225 (or $550, or higher) works out to make driving a more economical choice, especially if they live 2+ miles from school and have multiple children in grades 6-12. [...] Out of curiousity, are public school busses 'free' (included in the cost of the school versus paid for like an activity) there? I'm flabbergasted. I have never heard of fee-for-school bus before. Here (suburban Indianapolis) there is no separate fee for school bus service. In our previous residence (Rochester, NY) there also was no fee. Moreover, in NY (but not in Indiana) the local school district was also obligated to bus your kid even if she attended a private school (within a certain distance). Nick -- Nick Theodorakis contact form: http://theodorakis.net/contact.html |
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Caledonia wrote:
The deal here, where our buses are half-filled, is that you have to pay $225/child for a bus pass for bus stops within 2 miles of the school for K-5, and $225/child for a bus pass for 6-12, regardless of distance from the school. For a lot of folks, that $225 (or $550, or higher) works out to make driving a more economical choice, especially if they live 2+ miles from school and have multiple children in grades 6-12. There are no sidewalks here, and we're at 1.97 miles, so we pay for the bus. I keep thinking that I'll start walking my DD (1st grader), but realized that this would be 8 miles/day with her younger sibling in a stroller, and it wouldn't be do-able in the winter (the stroller, that is). So for now she's a schoolbus rider. If I had multiple children in the elementary grades, though, it'd require some hard thought about the cost of the bus, the hassle of walking, and the financial outlay. Out of curiousity, are public school busses 'free' (included in the cost of the school versus paid for like an activity) there? Caledonia Wow. I live in Maryland and public school bus rides are free - no bus fee (yet). Jeanne |
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Claire Petersky wrote:
but the parents still do not seem to respect the pedestrians in the vicinity. Isn't it crazy! My husband has actually called the cops on a parent who *passed* him and went speeding by to drop her kid off in front of my dh. It was right in front of the school. Little kids were walking everywhere. I would have reported another car (no idea if it was a parent) that went about 35 miles an hour past the school during drop off's but I was unprepared. Again small kids walking all over the place. Since that day I keep a notebook and pen to get plate numbers. The road itself is residential and has a 20mph speed limit even with no school in session. My school has a very lame set up for drop off's and pick ups which exacerbates the problem. You just park along the street. The problem is parents come early and just sit there and wait for the bell to ring before their kids get out. They take up all the space. I often have to park a bit away and then walk my kid to the fence because nobody is dropping off and moving on, just parked. Grr. -- Nikki Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 EDD 4/06 |
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