Make a stupid mistake & MD prohibits your seeing son, lest SUPERVISED

Subject: Parents *spanked* by MD for letting kids trunk ride
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 7/23/2003 5:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Vote here.

Subject: Fmr tchr cannot see 12yo son, UNLESS SUPERVISED
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 7/23/2003 12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Good grief. What punishment would have been meted out to the family had she
spanked him?

Subject: Child abuse or poor judgement? Kids wanted to ride in trunk
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 7/23/2003 12:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Parents felt it would be ok.

Both parents stable and employed. For this lapse, they received 150K bail, and
no rights to see their 12yo son, unless SUPERVISED.

Even the other child's parent is stunned with the severity of charges lodged
against this model couple.

Vote and view video of situation on ABC news site below.

And folks are unaware with the reach of CPS and its unaccountable, unsupervised
bureaucracy:?

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/U..._in_trunk.html

"Fern5827" wrote
Subject: Child abuse or poor judgement? Kids wanted to ride in trunk

15 years for a harmless little ride in the trunk? This should not even
be a crime.

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
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"Fern5827" wrote
Subject: Child abuse or poor judgement? Kids wanted to ride in trunk

15 years for a harmless little ride in the trunk? This should not even
be a crime.

In the event that there was a car crash, the children could have been
severely injured because they were not restrained or if the car caught fire.
In addition, rescue workers would not know to look for them in the trunk if
the parents were not awake or alive.

I believe that they are guilty of reckless endangerment. I don't know what
type of sentence I would make if I were the judge. I think I would make sure
the parents are well-supervised by the child protective services, take
parenting classes and pay court costs.

Also, please note that the parents have been convicted of anything. The
charges seem warranted. I think these cases is being handled correctly.

It is up to a judge to decide if the parents are guilty, and if so, what
they are guilty of and what the punishment should be.

I can find no excuse for endangering kids like this.

Jeff

"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
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"Fern5827" wrote
Subject: Child abuse or poor judgement? Kids wanted to ride in
trunk

15 years for a harmless little ride in the trunk? This should not
even
be a crime.

In the event that there was a car crash, the children could have been
severely injured because they were not restrained or if the car caught
fire.
In addition, rescue workers would not know to look for them in the
trunk if
the parents were not awake or alive.

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! *Potential* injuries are all around
us, Jeff. Fine the parents $96 for not having the boys restrained
(http://www.sha.state.md.us/Safety/oo...aws/childpas.a
sp). Period. Next case...

Also, please note that the parents have been convicted of anything.

Huh? HUH? g

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
t...
"Jeff Utz" wrote
15 years for a harmless little ride in the trunk? This should not even
be a crime.
In the event that there was a car crash, the children could have been
severely injured because they were not restrained or if the car caught
fire.

Possibly. It is also possible that the kids would have been better off in
the trunk. They also might have been better off if the parents forgot the]
kids, and left them at the gas station.

Riding in the trunk was a one-time thing, under controlled circumstances.

The circumstances would not be controlled if there were a crash. And what if
one of the kids got sick or very scared? How would the driver know?

The probability of a resulting injury would be less than 1 in a million.
I do not think that people should be sent to prison for taking
1-in-a-million
risks. Nothing bad happened.

So risking children's lives is ok unless someone gets injured?

"JG" wrote in message
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"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
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"Fern5827" wrote
Subject: Child abuse or poor judgement? Kids wanted to ride in
trunk

15 years for a harmless little ride in the trunk? This should not
even
be a crime.

In the event that there was a car crash, the children could have been
severely injured because they were not restrained or if the car caught
fire.
In addition, rescue workers would not know to look for them in the
trunk if
the parents were not awake or alive.

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! *Potential* injuries are all around
us, Jeff. Fine the parents $96 for not having the boys restrained
(http://www.sha.state.md.us/Safety/oo...aws/childpas.a
sp). Period. Next case...

You're correct, of course. There are potential injuries all around us. But
to put kids in a more dangerous situation is stupid.

Also, please note that the parents have been convicted of anything.

Huh? HUH? g

The parents were arrested, but not convicted. That is up to the judge and
jury to do.

Jeff

"Jeff Utz" wrote
And what if
one of the kids got sick or very scared? How would the driver know?

During a 20-minute car ride? What if I play hide-and-seek with my
kid, and the kid gets scared? Should that be a criminal offense?

The probability of a resulting injury would be less than 1 in a million.
I do not think that people should be sent to prison for taking
1-in-a-million risks. Nothing bad happened.
So risking children's lives is ok unless someone gets injured?

Everything in life has risks. If I drive my kid to school, then there is
a risk to the kid's life. Yes, I think that it is ok to take that risk.

Roger Schlafly wrote:
"Jeff Utz" wrote

And what if
one of the kids got sick or very scared? How would the driver know?


During a 20-minute car ride? What if I play hide-and-seek with my
kid, and the kid gets scared? Should that be a criminal offense?

B-a-a-a-a-a-a-d analogy, as there is a possibility that the kids could
have been injured if the car was rear ended.

I sure hope it was not a Crown Victoria.

The probability of a resulting injury would be less than 1 in a million.
I do not think that people should be sent to prison for taking
1-in-a-million risks. Nothing bad happened.

So risking children's lives is ok unless someone gets injured?

Everything in life has risks. If I drive my kid to school, then there is
a risk to the kid's life. Yes, I think that it is ok to take that risk.

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
t...
"Jeff Utz" wrote
And what if
one of the kids got sick or very scared? How would the driver know?

During a 20-minute car ride? What if I play hide-and-seek with my
kid, and the kid gets scared? Should that be a criminal offense?

Two different things. If you play hide and seek, and your kids gets scared,
the kid could come out or yell or something, and you would know. Not true of
the kids in the trunk. The driver has no way of knowing what the kids are
scared or sick in the trunk.

The probability of a resulting injury would be less than 1 in a
million.
I do not think that people should be sent to prison for taking
1-in-a-million risks. Nothing bad happened.
So risking children's lives is ok unless someone gets injured?

Everything in life has risks. If I drive my kid to school, then there is
a risk to the kid's life. Yes, I think that it is ok to take that risk.

Taking kids to school is a necessary risk. Putting kids in a trunk where
they cannot communicate with others & run a higher risk of injury in a crash
is an unnecessary risk.

Jeff

"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
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Taking kids to school is a necessary risk.

The biggest risk, of course, being that they might be exposed to an
"educator" who shares some of your ridiculous quasi-socialist
notions...g

JG

To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law
into contempt.
--Elizabeth Cady Stanton


Putting kids in a trunk where
they cannot communicate with others & run a higher risk of injury in a
crash
is an unnecessary risk.