American kids getting high on prescription drugs

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone
who takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers
getting drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This
is not breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other than
the person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Yes, it is, though that law is seldom enforced.

No, it is not.

There is no such law written concerning teenagers taking drugs out of
medicine cabinets in their own homes.


http://www.american.edu/ocl/counseli...resources.html

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/a...edication.html

These two sites refer to just such a law.
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http://www.csicop.org/

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"Rich" ranted:

Hardly a rant. Just a calm, reasoned bit of advice about your obcessive
[sic] accusatory behavior.

It is Mark's behavior that should be in question, not mine.

Jan never responded to

Jan does not want to hear that, and sticks her head in her rectum.

There are two false accusations. Care to comment on Mark's behavior?

I thought not.

Would you like me to post your false accusations?

And your behaviour of how you stated: The burden of proof is on the accuser.

And how fast that changed?

You are giving me advice?

I think not!



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All about *Jan*.


So you might as well save yourself the effort of twisting words

There were none.

On top of Mark Probert's proving lying, you add this one.

and searching the archives for "proof" that someone is "lying,"

Wrong. I responded to Mark's LIE, right here in this thread.

because nobody cares to follow your
multikilobytes of invective and cut-and-paste to determine if your
"proof" makes any sense.

Nope, that's an excuse.

You don't care if Peter Bowditch lies to me, this newsgroup, his mother
or the pope.


If someone tells a lie that really matters,

ALL lies matter.


by all means
point that out. But your bull**** about the lump in Mark's mother's
breast or the number of James Drews in Bloomington, Indiana is of
interest to none, and it just makes you look silly.

Quite wrong.

It shows the majority of those here for the sole purpose of disrupting
this newsgroups, are DISHONEST, when caught they personally attack.

You are wrong. The skeptics here are fundamentally honest, and none of
them tells lies here.

Mark didn't lie?


What you habitually call "lies" are really just opinions
with which you disagree,

Oh you mean like when you call your errors facts, and Mark says his mother
had a lump, and there was no lump.lump head, that was just a disagreement.

You are such a repeated liar, Rich.

and occasional unintentional errors in fact. None
of them are lies. And nobody is "here for the sole purpose of disrupting
this newsgroups [sic]." What you call disruption is again the expression
of opinion with which you disagree, and often the explanation of
scientific truth which disagrees with your warped view of reality.



They are not people of their word.

Every single member of what you call the "*gang*" has a better reputation
for veracity than do you.

Accorrding to who?

Those who lie for each other just as you are doing now.

What a hoot.


The burden of proof in on the accuser.

One can not believe a word they post.

One certainly cannot believe a word YOU post.

Your focus is on me, rather than on Mark Probert who stated I didn't respond
to his post.

That was a lie.

One can not believe a word YOU post.

Nor Mark Probert.


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NOR those who write the websites you recommend.

They are also proven liars, and YOU still post their lies.

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone
who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other than
the person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Did you read what you responded to?

Yes.


If you are not the person for whom
the drugs were prescribed, then taking them is illegal. I doesn't
matter if you bought them from the lady who runs the daycare centre or
took them out of the medicine cabinet at home - if YOUR name is not on
the prescription then it is illegal for YOU to consume them.

Did you read what I wrote?

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.




Jeff's statement:

This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

No, it does not.

So now are you saying that the problem of people getting drugs
illegally is not serious?

Did you read what I wrote?






This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put
in
front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO
FREELY!

[snip usual diversions + lies]

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone
who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers
getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other than
the person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Did you read what you responded to?

Yes.


If you are not the person for whom
the drugs were prescribed, then taking them is illegal. I doesn't
matter if you bought them from the lady who runs the daycare centre or
took them out of the medicine cabinet at home - if YOUR name is not on
the prescription then it is illegal for YOU to consume them.

Did you read what I wrote?

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

It is illegal to steal medications prescribed for another person. It is
quite stupid of you to assert otherwise.


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http://www.csicop.org/

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone
who takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers
getting drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This
is not breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other
than the person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Yes, it is, though that law is seldom enforced.

No, it is not.

There is no such law written concerning teenagers taking drugs out of
medicine cabinets in their own homes.


http://www.american.edu/ocl/counseli...resources.html

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/a...edication.html

These two sites refer to just such a law.

Poor Rich.

As a nurse, you best learn to read for comprehension, for the sake of some
poor soul.

There is no such law written concerning teenagers taking drugs out of
medicine cabinets in their own homes.

NOT just such a law.

Your diversion tactics just won't work.

Your quest to agree with another *gang* member is noted.

Jeff's statement

This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

The article did no such thing.

There has never been any question that actually consuming another's
medications is illegal. If it is in the teenagers's home, it is the
responsibilty of the parent.

There is no law concerning teenagers taking drugs out of the medicine
cabinets in their own home.









--Rich

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And
anyone who takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers
getting drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes.
This is not breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other
than the person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers
getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Yes, it is, though that law is seldom enforced.

No, it is not.

There is no such law written concerning teenagers taking drugs out of
medicine cabinets in their own homes.


http://www.american.edu/ocl/counseli...resources.html

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/a...edication.html

These two sites refer to just such a law.

Poor Rich.

As a nurse, you best learn to read for comprehension, for the sake of some
poor soul.

Here's a direct quote from the first of the above sites:

"The possession or use of prescription drugs that are not prescribed to you
are strictly prohibited by law."

I comprehend that just fine. Do you? It doesn't matter if you got your drugs
from a friend or out of mommy's medicine cabinet, possessing or using them
is against the law. Period.




There is no such law written concerning teenagers taking drugs out of
medicine cabinets in their own homes.

NOT just such a law.

Your diversion tactics just won't work.

No diversion. The truth is that there is such a law.


Your quest to agree with another *gang* member is noted.

Jeff's statement

This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

The article did no such thing.

There has never been any question that actually consuming another's
medications is illegal. If it is in the teenagers's home, it is the
responsibilty of the parent.

There is no law concerning teenagers taking drugs out of the medicine
cabinets in their own home.


If I shared your obsession and bad manners, I would scream, "That's a LIE!"
But since I have the ability to discern a lie from a simple error, I will
not do so.

There is indeed such a law. To begin with, stealing mommy's pills not only
violates state and federal statutes, it's against one of the oldest laws,
"Thou shalt not steal." Besides that, simple possession of medications
prescribed to another is illegal. It's even illegal for mommy to give you
permission to take her pills. If you want to get real technical, it's
illegal to store prescription medications in a container other than the one
originally labeled by the pharmacist. (The fact that the pharmacist sells
those compartmented "pill minders" shows a blatant disregard for this law.)
These laws apply not only to commonly abused medications, but also to
non-abuse medications like blood pressure pills or antibiotics. They even
apply to medications that were prescribed and dispensed that are also
available over-the-counter like Motrin or Zantac.
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Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone
who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other than
the person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Did you read what you responded to?

Yes.


If you are not the person for whom
the drugs were prescribed, then taking them is illegal. I doesn't
matter if you bought them from the lady who runs the daycare centre or
took them out of the medicine cabinet at home - if YOUR name is not on
the prescription then it is illegal for YOU to consume them.

Did you read what I wrote?

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Did the bottles of drugs have the teenagers' names on them, put there
by a pharmacist while dispensing according to a prescription? If not,
they were used illegally. It doesn't matter where the drugs were
stored, only who they were prescribed for. Why can't you understand
this simple truth.






Jeff's statement:

This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

No, it does not.

So now are you saying that the problem of people getting drugs
illegally is not serious?

Did you read what I wrote?






This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put
in
front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO
FREELY!

[snip usual diversions + lies]

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http://www.american.edu/ocl/counseli...resources.html

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/a...edication.html

These two sites refer to just such a law.

Poor Rich.

As a nurse, you best learn to read for comprehension, for the sake of some
poor soul.

There is no such law written concerning teenagers taking drugs out of
medicine cabinets in their own homes.

NOT just such a law.

Your diversion tactics just won't work.

Your quest to agree with another *gang* member is noted.

Jeff's statement

This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

The article did no such thing.

There has never been any question that actually consuming another's
medications is illegal. If it is in the teenagers's home, it is the
responsibilty of the parent.

There is no law concerning teenagers taking drugs out of the medicine
cabinets in their own home.

Those sites do show that it is illegal.

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This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers
getting drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This
is not breaking any law.

This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put
in front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO
FREELY!

Whose fault is this? Parents!!! Not pharm companies. Yes, docs do
overprescribe, but that does not negate the fault of careless and
irresponsible parents.

That's correct. It does not, however the pharm companies must share a
part of the blame.

How big would that part be and why? Of course pharm co's bribe
physicians, but prescriptions are not written to satisfy the companies
that get the front row seats to whatever. It is for what will be written
there. If you need to prescribe, please choose our product, but not
prescribe our product to everyone who walks in.

You've answered part of the question, another big part is the TV
propaganda, plus the funding of studies to get the results they want,
otherwise the study hits file13.
I don't see how TV plays into it. Consumerism is not outlawed. I see
something to help my winkie stand at 50 I'll ask my doctor about it. If he
does not think I need it he won't prescribe. If he does, he can give me
generic (soon) or brand name -- the choice is mine and his. Pharm companies
encourage doctors to choose their product over someone else's when allowed,
not just for the hell of it. It is doctors' responsibility to sign that
prescription.

john wrote:
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FACT: ADHD drugs are not abused when taken as prescribed. Paint thinner,
gasoline and glue are abused. Maybe we shouldn't clean pain brushes, drive
cars or hold things together.


FACT: Nutrients are better and non-addictive

Yeah, sure. Give up nutrients for six months. Go ahead, stand by your
words.

Remember, no nutrients, at all, for 6 months.