Combining Love and Limits

"In contrast to the common practice of pitting love and limits against
each other, several research programs have shown that optimal parenting
combines the two. This paper outlines a conditional sequence model of
optimal disciplinary responses and shows its consistency with a wide range
of research. The model suggests that optimal disciplinary responses begin
with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer
disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance
nor an acceptable compromise. The firmer tactics can be nonphysical
punishment initially with nonabusive physical punishment reserved as a
back-up for the nonphysical punishment. This is consistent with many
studies showing that a combination of reasoning and punishment is more
effective than either one alone and with new evidence that this sequence
enhances the effectiveness of milder disciplinary tactics with
preschoolers."

http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/L...Larzelere.html

AFfromDreamLand

Doan wrote:
"In contrast to the common practice of pitting love and limits against
each other, several research programs have shown that optimal parenting
combines the two. This paper outlines a conditional sequence model of
optimal disciplinary responses and shows its consistency with a wide range
of research. The model suggests that optimal disciplinary responses begin
with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer
disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance
nor an acceptable compromise. The firmer tactics can be nonphysical
punishment initially with nonabusive physical punishment reserved as a
back-up for the nonphysical punishment. This is consistent with many
studies showing that a combination of reasoning and punishment is more
effective than either one alone and with new evidence that this sequence
enhances the effectiveness of milder disciplinary tactics with
preschoolers."

http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/L...Larzelere.html

AFfromDreamLand


Larzelere!?

Disproven Larzelere?

You have to be kidding. Those studies are pieces of biased
fundamentalist pap, child.

The one LaVonne recently cited that looks at many countries shows that,
as does so much other research.

Your studies are like Baumrinds; stacked to find the desired result.

In other words, bull****.

Larzelere is the same kind of "researcher." He does not. He peruses the
literature, cherry picking, and finds what he wishes to further his agenda.

He fell flat on his ass when he tried to dispute the data collected on
Sweden. He's lucky he wasn't called what you so often prove you are.

Are you, by the way, attempting to influence parents to make up their
minds in favor of spanking?

Or are you randomly finding articles to post?

R R R R R LIAR.

FAKE

FRAUD

And that is ALL you are. That and a too often spanked child that must
protect and support spanking for personal reasons.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
"In contrast to the common practice of pitting love and limits against
each other, several research programs have shown that optimal parenting
combines the two. This paper outlines a conditional sequence model of
optimal disciplinary responses and shows its consistency with a wide range
of research. The model suggests that optimal disciplinary responses begin
with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer
disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance
nor an acceptable compromise. The firmer tactics can be nonphysical
punishment initially with nonabusive physical punishment reserved as a
back-up for the nonphysical punishment. This is consistent with many
studies showing that a combination of reasoning and punishment is more
effective than either one alone and with new evidence that this sequence
enhances the effectiveness of milder disciplinary tactics with
preschoolers."

http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/L...Larzelere.html

AFfromDreamLand


Larzelere!?

Disproven Larzelere?

You have to be kidding. Those studies are pieces of biased
fundamentalist pap, child.

Hahaha! You resort to the low life tactic of ad hominem attack! That
is a logical fallacy!

Doan

The one LaVonne recently cited that looks at many countries shows that,
as does so much other research.

Your studies are like Baumrinds; stacked to find the desired result.

In other words, bull****.

Larzelere is the same kind of "researcher." He does not. He peruses the
literature, cherry picking, and finds what he wishes to further his agenda.

He fell flat on his ass when he tried to dispute the data collected on
Sweden. He's lucky he wasn't called what you so often prove you are.

Are you, by the way, attempting to influence parents to make up their
minds in favor of spanking?

Or are you randomly finding articles to post?

R R R R R LIAR.

FAKE

FRAUD

And that is ALL you are. That and a too often spanked child that must
protect and support spanking for personal reasons.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
"In contrast to the common practice of pitting love and limits against
each other, several research programs have shown that optimal parenting
combines the two. This paper outlines a conditional sequence model of
optimal disciplinary responses and shows its consistency with a wide range
of research. The model suggests that optimal disciplinary responses begin
with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer
disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance
nor an acceptable compromise. The firmer tactics can be nonphysical
punishment initially with nonabusive physical punishment reserved as a
back-up for the nonphysical punishment. This is consistent with many
studies showing that a combination of reasoning and punishment is more
effective than either one alone and with new evidence that this sequence
enhances the effectiveness of milder disciplinary tactics with
preschoolers."

http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/L...Larzelere.html

AFfromDreamLand


Larzelere!?

Disproven Larzelere?

You have to be kidding. Those studies are pieces of biased
fundamentalist pap, child.

Hahaha! You resort to the low life tactic of ad hominem attack! That
is a logical fallacy!

No hysterical dancing screeching monkeyboy. It's fundamentalist pap
because the premise come right out of the Dobson playbook, despite
Lazelere's disclaimer.

It's the belief that parent and child are in a battle of wills and the
parent must win.

By the way, this is obviously an attempt by our to influce parents to
spank.

I thought you didn't care one way or another and wanted parents 'to
make up their own mind.'

R R R RR

STUPID FRAUD!

Doan

You can't debate the study that LaVonne posted information about so you
post Lazerlere? R R R R R...too much.

You are a stupid little spanked child still desperate to rationalize
and legitimize it.

Lazelere LIED Doan, by using Sweden's statistics on child on child
assaults.

That wasn't a "study"Doan. It's unknown WHY those were taking place,
and Sweden likely didn't have prior extensive data for comparisons from
BEFORE the no-spank law went into effect.

What kind of SCIENCE is that, little boy?

He and Baumrind make a great pair. Fudge the data and call upon data
that has not even been subjected to statistical analysis against prior
data for correlation.

But then, it doesn't matter because Doan....R R R R..."wants parents to
make up their own minds."

What about the ones that don't want to spank? And YOU feed them this
kind of **** "research?"

You should be ashamed of yourself.

But you aren't because you didn't develop a functional sense of guilt
and conscience. That's what comes of spanking.

And YOU, silly boy, are still trying to refute Embry without actually
debating the report from the experiment. ONLY by insinuating he "lied."

You are the liar. Time waster.

I just might decide to let you dangle for awhile. It might be good for
you.

Doan is a phony and a fraud and cannot debate the real issues.

Just harass and lie to parents that he wants them to make up their own
minds.

So tell everyone Doan, do you wish to influence them to spank?

Be careful with your answer, considering your long posting history and
what anyone can pull up from it and see you actually said.

R R R R R

0:-


The one LaVonne recently cited that looks at many countries shows that,
as does so much other research.

Your studies are like Baumrinds; stacked to find the desired result.

In other words, bull****.

Larzelere is the same kind of "researcher." He does not. He peruses the
literature, cherry picking, and finds what he wishes to further his agenda.

He fell flat on his ass when he tried to dispute the data collected on
Sweden. He's lucky he wasn't called what you so often prove you are.

Are you, by the way, attempting to influence parents to make up their
minds in favor of spanking?

Or are you randomly finding articles to post?

R R R R R LIAR.

FAKE

FRAUD

And that is ALL you are. That and a too often spanked child that must
protect and support spanking for personal reasons.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

On 7 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
"In contrast to the common practice of pitting love and limits against
each other, several research programs have shown that optimal parenting
combines the two. This paper outlines a conditional sequence model of
optimal disciplinary responses and shows its consistency with a wide range
of research. The model suggests that optimal disciplinary responses begin
with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer
disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance
nor an acceptable compromise. The firmer tactics can be nonphysical
punishment initially with nonabusive physical punishment reserved as a
back-up for the nonphysical punishment. This is consistent with many
studies showing that a combination of reasoning and punishment is more
effective than either one alone and with new evidence that this sequence
enhances the effectiveness of milder disciplinary tactics with
preschoolers."

http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/L...Larzelere.html

AFfromDreamLand


Larzelere!?

Disproven Larzelere?

You have to be kidding. Those studies are pieces of biased
fundamentalist pap, child.

Hahaha! You resort to the low life tactic of ad hominem attack! That
is a logical fallacy!

No hysterical dancing screeching monkeyboy. It's fundamentalist pap
because the premise come right out of the Dobson playbook, despite
Lazelere's disclaimer.

More typical adhoms! You spoke volumes for the anti-spanking zealotS
side. ;-)

Doan

Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes to the honesty of
the spanking compulsives.

It's simple.

If you wish parents to make up their own mind are you willing to
without trying to influence them either way?

The two are somewhat mutually exclusive, so think before you answer.
You have along posting history that tells us the answer already, so
failure to answer is simply lying.

The most common response of the spanking complusives IS lying, by the
way. Mostly lying to your poor battered and never recovered selves.

0:-

Hahaha!

AFfromDreamLand

On 8 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:

Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes to the honesty of
the spanking compulsives.

It's simple.

If you wish parents to make up their own mind are you willing to
without trying to influence them either way?

The two are somewhat mutually exclusive, so think before you answer.
You have along posting history that tells us the answer already, so
failure to answer is simply lying.

The most common response of the spanking complusives IS lying, by the
way. Mostly lying to your poor battered and never recovered selves.

0:-

Doan wrote:
Hahaha!

The sound a guilty conscience makes when it is too heavily suppressed.

I'm sorry for you child.

Kane


AFfromDreamLand

On 8 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:


Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes to the honesty of
the spanking compulsives.

It's simple.

If you wish parents to make up their own mind are you willing to
without trying to influence them either way?

The two are somewhat mutually exclusive, so think before you answer.
You have along posting history that tells us the answer already, so
failure to answer is simply lying.

The most common response of the spanking complusives IS lying, by the
way. Mostly lying to your poor battered and never recovered selves.

0:-





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Hahaha!

AFfromDreamLand

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
Hahaha!

The sound a guilty conscience makes when it is too heavily suppressed.

I'm sorry for you child.

Kane


AFfromDreamLand

On 8 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:


Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes to the honesty of
the spanking compulsives.

It's simple.

If you wish parents to make up their own mind are you willing to
without trying to influence them either way?

The two are somewhat mutually exclusive, so think before you answer.
You have along posting history that tells us the answer already, so
failure to answer is simply lying.

The most common response of the spanking complusives IS lying, by the
way. Mostly lying to your poor battered and never recovered selves.

0:-





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Doan wrote:

Hahaha!


The sound a guilty conscience makes when it is too heavily suppressed.

I'm sorry for you child.

Kane



AFfromDreamLand

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:

Hahaha!

The sound a guilty conscience makes when it is too heavily suppressed.

I'm sorry for you child.

Kane


AFfromDreamLand

On 8 Mar 2006, 0:- wrote:



Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes to the honesty of
the spanking compulsives.

It's simple.

If you wish parents to make up their own mind are you willing to
without trying to influence them either way?

The two are somewhat mutually exclusive, so think before you answer.
You have along posting history that tells us the answer already, so
failure to answer is simply lying.

The most common response of the spanking complusives IS lying, by the
way. Mostly lying to your poor battered and never recovered selves.

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin