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Old March 23rd 04, 11:19 PM
karen hill
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"Chotii" wrote in message ...
"karen hill" wrote in message
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There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up.


Cites, please?

And you know that word...harbinger? I do not think it means what you think
it means.

--angela


http://www.medicirc.com/meditopics/medicirc_topics.html

http://www.medicirc.com/medicirc_references.html
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Old March 23rd 04, 11:36 PM
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zolw wrote in message news:E9R7c.62418$JL2.829424@attbi_s03...
karen hill wrote:

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up.


Back it up honey. Your word is worthless without a source (a respectable
one too), preferably more than one source.


http://www.medicirc.com/meditopics/medicirc_topics.html

http://www.medicirc.com/medicirc_references.html

Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins!

This is just personal preference & if you are that shallow, then it also
is a personal choice.


Honestly, most people can differentiate between ugly and beautiful.
Beauty is mostly standard throughout the world. Most women don't like
uncircumcised men. Studies have been done.

http://www.circlist.com/preferences/womenspref.html

Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.

Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!


Well, maybe there are a lot of guys out there too, who would not want to
sleep with you for being so superficial & shallow.

Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married.


Oh what a sad story to tell. You seem to not only be shallow, but cruel
& insensitive. I am sure that girl will find herself a normal man, who
appreciates her for who she is, not for what she looks like. & I bet
that she became a lawyer because she is not some dumb girl, but because
she is smart. She probably is a very satisfied person. Unlike you, who
just criticises with no purpose.


Actually, I was a bit disingenous when I posted. It wasn't another
girl in my dorm building, it was me. I was modeling when I was 15 for
local department store TV ads. When I was 16, I spilled boiling water
on myself when cooking. I have burns from the middle of my neck down
to my stomach area. It is amazing how few dates I could get
afterwards. My social life went to zero, I tried going out but no guy
would date me.

I was so lonely that I had to perform sexual favors in college just to
have someone to cuddle with. I was so lonely it hurt. I became
desperate so just for a night out and cuddling, I've had to perform
oral to ugly old uncircumcised janitors, fat, rude, uncircumcised,
smegma filled, frat boys who called me names just so they would stay
with me and cuddle.
Unfortunately I couldn't keep any of them longer than a few weeks
until I had taken care of their needs. They would move on to greener
pastures.
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Old March 24th 04, 12:12 AM
H Schinske
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Honestly, most people can differentiate between ugly and beautiful.

Yup. Most people can do that FOR THEMSELVES. We don't need anonymous trolls to
tell us how.

--Helen
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Old March 24th 04, 12:15 AM
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karen hill wrote:
Honestly, most people can differentiate between ugly and beautiful.
Beauty is mostly standard throughout the world. Most women don't like
uncircumcised men. Studies have been done.

http://www.circlist.com/preferences/womenspref.html


Interestingly, the two studies claiming contradictory results were both
performed by anti-circumcision activists. In one of these cases, a
significant proportion of the author's sample are known to be female
anti-circumcision activists.

What can we safely conclude? Anti-circumcision activists like foreskin in
preference to circumcised penes.

Jake.
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Old March 24th 04, 02:44 AM
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"karen hill" wrote in message
m...
"Chotii" wrote in message

...
"karen hill" wrote in message
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There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up.


Cites, please?

And you know that word...harbinger? I do not think it means what you

think
it means.

--angela


http://www.medicirc.com/meditopics/medicirc_topics.html

http://www.medicirc.com/medicirc_references.html


I do not find his arguments convincing. In fact, his examples of 'proof'
that the anti-circumcision activists are all misguided look....gee, pretty
sane to me. Some of those quotes were even from peer-reviewed medical
journals, claiming no health benefit to routine infant circumcision....and
yet somehow the author of the web site uses them as proof that anti-circ
folks are all misguided.

I think people think 'beautiful' what they have been raised to think
beautiful. I suspect most American women have never seen an intact man. I
know I haven't....just pictures. I don't find pictures of intact men to be
offensive. I would not be offended by one in person either, not that this is
likely to happen to me in this lifetime. Check with me in the next.

Most of the men on the who have successfully
completed restoration (time required: 3-5 years average) claim a very
significant improvement in their sensitivity; this group comprises both men
who were cut as infants, and those who chose to be cut as adults, and later
regretted the decision. Most also report an increase in both erect length
and girth. So when I get spam emails telling me about 'increase your
length/girth instantly!' I always smile just a little. Yes, it can be done.
It just takes a bloody long time. There is no instant fix. But there is a
fix.

In short, I think a very strong argument can be made for allowing the
individual the choice to alter or not alter his own body, as he believes
will benefit him most. I say the same thing for piercings, tattoos,
scarification, weight loss or gain, muscle-building, and any and all other
body modifications. Not my body: not my choice. I might offer an argument
against certain piercings (my niece wants her tongue pierced, and so did I
until I discovered that the dental damage could be extreme), but ultimately,
it's not my body, I don't have to live in it, therefore it's not my
decision.

nitpick
By the way, here's the definition of harbinger, for your edification:

harbinger
n : an indication of the approach of something or someone [syn:
forerunner, herald, precursor]
v : foreshadow or presage [syn: announce, annunciate, foretell,
herald]
/nitpick

The foreskin may not appeal to you, and it may indeed harbor some diseases
if not kept reasonably clean (as too can the woman's labial tissues and
vagina) but it's not a *harbinger*. It's just something kids are born with.

--angela


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Old March 24th 04, 03:52 AM
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Graham Payne wrote:

Quite easily actually. Once they see the real thing, they don't go
back to
the little guys.Your "studies" are a load of BS. There is no
difference in prevailance of disease between cut and uncut males. Lack
of regular hygene would cause the same problem for a circumsized male
also.Not only that - when erect, you can't tell the difference!

A FORESKINSTEIN SHLEPPER, I presume!? LOL! Where in the world do you
reside?eh FYI: Circumcision actually makes the SHMECKLE appear larger!
DOH! The chiseled mushroomed head accentuates the shaft, thus
projecting a larger canvas to visualize. As opposed to foreskin, which
hides in a marsupial sac!eh Do you feed that thing circus
peanuts?eheheheh LOL! Remember, 'Tis better to hold your soldier's
helmet high than to have it droop like an anteater!eh Are you a man or
a mouse?eh The removal of foreskin (remnant Neanderthal appendage) is
precisely what separates us from the animals. As John "The Elephant
Man" Merrick once said: "I am not an animal, I am a human being!"
Secondly, soap (irritant) can exacerbate the existing foreskin
condition, causing the bacteria (smegma - aka precancerous gunk) to
multiply. There is no such thing as hygiene when you have a moist fold
of foogly skin that continually traps bacteria. You can scrub your
smelly little PUTZ like an incessant marsupial in the wild, and it
shall never prevent the accumulation of smegma. Circumcision (safest &
most common surgical procedure in all of medicine, occurring more
frequently than tooth extraction) is the only known cure! Lastly,
responding with "BS," or "there is no difference," does not make it
so! If you were an attorney, you would be laughed out of a court of
law! Unlike you and your maniacal ilk, I have studied the risks
associated with foreskin, and can provide medical facts to
substantiate those risks. We can begin with Professor Brian "not
Jewish" Morris, who has over 30 years of unbias research on the
benefits of circumcision:
* Foreskin is responsible for a 12-fold higher risk of urinary tract
infections. Risk = 1 in 20.
* Foreskin confers a higher risk of death in the first year of life
(from complications of urinary tract infections: viz. kidney failure,
meningitis and infection of bone marrow).
* One in 400-900 uncircumcised men will get cancer of the penis. A
quarter of these will die from it and the rest will require at least
partial penile amputation as a result. (In contrast, penile cancer
never occurs or is infinitesimally rare in men circumcised at birth).
(Data from studies in the USA, Denmark and Australia, which are not to
be confused with the often quoted, but misleading, annual incidence
figures of 1 in 100,000).
* Foreskin is associated with balanitis (inflammation of the glans),
posthitis (inflammation of the foreskin), phimosis (inability to
retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (constriction of the penis by a
tight foreskin). Up to 18% of uncircumcised boys will develop one of
these by 8 years of age, whereas all are unknown in the circumcised.
Risk of balanoposthitis = 1 in 6. Obstruction to urine flow = 1 in
10-50.
* Foreskin presents the penis with a larger surface area. The moist
inner lining of the foreskin represents a thinner epidermal barrier
than the more cornified outer surface of the foreskin and the rest of
the penis, including the glans of both circumcised and uncircumcised
penis, which have been found recently to have the same amount of
keratin (i.e., similar skin thickness and protection from invasion of
microorganisms) [179]; this means that the inner lining is potential
entry point into the body for viruses and bacteria. The presence of a
prepuce is likely to result in greater microtrauma during sexual
intercourse, thereby permitting an entry point into the bloodstream
for infectious agents. The warm, moist mucosal environment under the
foreskin favours growth of micro-organisms (discussed later). This
"preputial sac" has even been referred to by Dr Gerald Weiss, an
American surgeon, as a 'cesspool for infection' [195], as its
unfortunate anatomy wrapped around the end of the penis results in
accumulation of secretions, excretions (urine), dead cells and growths
of bacteria. Parents are told not to retract the foreskin of male
infants, which makes cleaning difficult. Even if optimal cleansing is
performed there is no evidence that it confers protection [207,208].
* Foreskin increased risk of problems that may necessitate
circumcision later in life. Also, the cost can be 10 times higher for
an adult.
* Foreskin is the biggest risk factor for heterosexually-acquired AIDS
virus infection in men. 8-times higher risk by itself, and even higher
when lesions from STDs are added in. Risk per exposure = 1 in 300.
* Foreskin is associated with higher incidence of cervical cancer in
the female partners of uncircumcised men. Excerpt taken from:
http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_of_circumcision.htm Now onto recent
medical evidence that shows a direct correlation between circumcision
and HIV protection: "More evidence that circumcision could be
protecting men from HIV infection is revealed in the BBC's Horizon
programme. Laboratory experiments appear to demonstrate how the
foreskin appear to be especially vulnerable to attack by the virus,
which has killed millions in sub-Saharan Africa alone. While some
argue that encouraging circumcision in populations which have no
historic tradition of the procedure amounts to mutilation, many
scientists are convinced that many lives could be saved this way. The
latest experiments, carried out at the Children's Memorial Hospital in
Chicago, US, took samples of the tissues of the foreskin kept alive in
culture and deliberately exposed them to the virus. They found that
cells in the tissues called Langerhans cells actually reached out to
grab the virus, draw it into the tissue, and even transport it to the
lymph glands, from where it can begin its assault on the immune
system." Excerpt from
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1025314.stm

wrote in message
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(karen hill) wrote in message . com...

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.
Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!
Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married. So what I'm saying is why do men even

stay uncut if they know women are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do
they
have a brain?

You're referring to the one-eyed-foreksinned-purple-people-eaters!ehe
The same women who have no regard for civility or hygiene. The same
women who have a tenfold increase in STDs, UTIs & cervical cancer when
compared to that of circumcised partners. Excluding the blind,
Europeans & deliverance mountain folk, you will generally find that
most American women prefer the circumcised member. Remember, extra
skin = queasy gals = less boots a knockin'!ehe If a man wants to
increase his chances of nabbing first class trim, he will forgo that
useless scab of skin!eh -D, NYC "One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
compriseat most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world;
they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet
their children survived and Jews became by far themost accomplished
people per capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO
(excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

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Old March 24th 04, 04:18 AM
Ralph DuBose
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(karen hill) wrote in message . com...
zolw wrote in message news:E9R7c.62418$JL2.829424@attbi_s03...
karen hill wrote:

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up.


Back it up honey. Your word is worthless without a source (a respectable
one too), preferably more than one source.


http://www.medicirc.com/meditopics/medicirc_topics.html

http://www.medicirc.com/medicirc_references.html

Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins!

This is just personal preference & if you are that shallow, then it also
is a personal choice.


Honestly, most people can differentiate between ugly and beautiful.
Beauty is mostly standard throughout the world. Most women don't like
uncircumcised men. Studies have been done.

http://www.circlist.com/preferences/womenspref.html

Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.

Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys?




Essentially all women in Europe, especially the Scandinavian
countries, are all perfectly content with natural men. And the rate of
STDs is very low in those places.
Actually, there are solid evolutionary grounds to belive that human
females basically prefer what nature created because if they really
preferred sex with guys with no foreskins that is what natural
selection would have bred for them. It works for everything else. Why
do human males have such giant dicks -- much larger than any other
primate? Because that is what women choose. duh!!
If you want to put this is religious terms, ask yourself this
question: Do you thing God designed little boys so badly that every
single one of them needs an extremely painful operation?

Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!


Well, maybe there are a lot of guys out there too, who would not want to
sleep with you for being so superficial & shallow.

Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married.


Oh what a sad story to tell. You seem to not only be shallow, but cruel
& insensitive. I am sure that girl will find herself a normal man, who
appreciates her for who she is, not for what she looks like. & I bet
that she became a lawyer because she is not some dumb girl, but because
she is smart. She probably is a very satisfied person. Unlike you, who
just criticises with no purpose.


Actually, I was a bit disingenous when I posted. It wasn't another
girl in my dorm building, it was me. I was modeling when I was 15 for
local department store TV ads. When I was 16, I spilled boiling water
on myself when cooking. I have burns from the middle of my neck down
to my stomach area. It is amazing how few dates I could get
afterwards. My social life went to zero, I tried going out but no guy
would date me.

I was so lonely that I had to perform sexual favors in college just to
have someone to cuddle with. I was so lonely it hurt. I became
desperate so just for a night out and cuddling, I've had to perform
oral to ugly old uncircumcised janitors, fat, rude, uncircumcised,
smegma filled, frat boys who called me names just so they would stay
with me and cuddle.
Unfortunately I couldn't keep any of them longer than a few weeks
until I had taken care of their needs. They would move on to greener
pastures.

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Old March 24th 04, 12:54 PM
Dr Zen
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Jake Waskett wrote in message ...
karen hill wrote:
Honestly, most people can differentiate between ugly and beautiful.
Beauty is mostly standard throughout the world. Most women don't like
uncircumcised men. Studies have been done.

http://www.circlist.com/preferences/womenspref.html


Interestingly, the two studies claiming contradictory results were both
performed by anti-circumcision activists. In one of these cases, a
significant proportion of the author's sample are known to be female
anti-circumcision activists.

What can we safely conclude? Anti-circumcision activists like foreskin in
preference to circumcised penes.

Jake.


"Of 145 new mothers of sons responding to this survey, 71-83%
preferred circumcised penises for each sexual activity listed. "

So women were getting their child circumcised because they prefer cut
penises? Did anyone point out to them that having sex with their child
would be not only unethical but also illegal?

Zen
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Old March 24th 04, 06:58 PM
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Dr Zen wrote:

Jake Waskett wrote in message
...
karen hill wrote:
Honestly, most people can differentiate between ugly and beautiful.
Beauty is mostly standard throughout the world. Most women don't like
uncircumcised men. Studies have been done.

http://www.circlist.com/preferences/womenspref.html


Interestingly, the two studies claiming contradictory results were both
performed by anti-circumcision activists. In one of these cases, a
significant proportion of the author's sample are known to be female
anti-circumcision activists.

What can we safely conclude? Anti-circumcision activists like foreskin in
preference to circumcised penes.

Jake.


"Of 145 new mothers of sons responding to this survey, 71-83%
preferred circumcised penises for each sexual activity listed. "

So women were getting their child circumcised because they prefer cut
penises? Did anyone point out to them that having sex with their child
would be not only unethical but also illegal?


What makes you think that they intended to have sex with their child? Isn't
it more reasonable to see recognition of the fact that their child will
become a sexual being?


Zen


 




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