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More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever
"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
... "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Jeff Utz" wrote You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have failed to provide evidence that it is. Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates? I don't know. Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm. Now you do. |
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Thanks for the link. It was most interesting reading. While I wasn't
surprised by the lobbying efforts of vaccine manufacturers, I was stunned by the level of secrecy and conflict of interest documented regarding the CDC vaccine advisory committee. Beth "JG" wrote in message ... "Jeff Utz" wrote in message ... "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Jeff Utz" wrote You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have failed to provide evidence that it is. Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates? I don't know. Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm. Now you do. |
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Very interesting article. I missed the part about where it said the vaccine
makers were lobbying against vaccine exemptions, which was Roger's original claim, though. (Lobbying for mandatory vaccines is a different issue.)And gee, this is the evidence that has been offered. Although I do agree all conflicts of interest should be made public, I have yet to see the evidence that these conflicts of interest has changed anyone's vote. Jeff |
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-- "David Wright" wrote in message ... In article , Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: (David Wright) wrote: The fact that you have no evidence is enough for me. I don't doubt that Merck would be pleased if there were fewer vaccine exemptions, but whether its worth their while (on a cost/benefit basis) to lobby for such changes is an open question. Well, what brings in the most money to the Evil Organized Medicine Conspiracy: A $20 vaccine given during a $100 office visit or a kid in intensive care for three weeks with whooping cough? And to top it off, the hospitalized individual will be treated with many medications, made by the same companies that makes vaccines, and costing a hell of a lot more. The idea that vaccines are better for the bottom line than no vaccines is merely idiotic. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) Besides, look at the dosing schedule. A vaccine is given at a rate of one dose every five years at the most. Is this a picture of a profitable product? Pharmaceutical companies make their big profits on meds like NSAIDS, and antidepressants, and drugs for GERD and hypertension. --Rich |
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JG wrote:
"Jeff Utz" wrote in message ... "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message .net... "Jeff Utz" wrote You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have failed to provide evidence that it is. Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates? I don't know. Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm. Now you do. AAPS and Jane Orient are not reliable sources of any information. The article points out that State health Departments, reputable medical institutions, and the CDC advocate for vaccination requirements. And, they should. They know what the diseases do. Ever see a polio ward? |
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Ever see a polio ward? No. Thanks to vaccines. Jeff |
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"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
... Very interesting article. I missed the part about where it said the vaccine makers were lobbying against vaccine exemptions, which was Roger's original claim, though. (Lobbying for mandatory vaccines is a different issue.) sigh I posted it in response to your statement, "I don't know (whether drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates)." Vaccine manufacturers clearly DO lobby state legislators when it comes to adding their vaccines to the lists of vaccines states require for school entry; it's probable, IMO, that they also do some lobbying if/when there's an effort to expand the exemptions a state offers (e.g., when a proposal to add a "philosophical" exemption is raised). If you want to continue playing your "Prove it!" game, go right ahead. Be careful, however, lest every statement YOU post is similarly challenged. (You want to start by proving some of the [quite OT] allegations you've made regarding the Bush administration?) And gee, this is the evidence that has been offered. Although I do agree all conflicts of interest should be made public, I have yet to see the evidence that these conflicts of interest has changed anyone's vote. Jeff |
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In , Roger Schlafly wrote:
"Jeff Utz" wrote You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have failed to provide evidence that it is. Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates? Ah, the usual Schlafly "I conjecture, therefore it is true" proof schema. -- | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make | | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay | | for new products or new versions of existing products." | end |
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"David Wright" wrote in message ... And to top it off, the hospitalized individual will be treated with many medications, made by the same companies that makes vaccines, and costing a hell of a lot more. The idea that vaccines are better for the bottom line than no vaccines is merely idiotic. Ever wonder why there are 10 ACEI inhibitors (a blood pressure med) on the market but shortages of flu vaccine? -- CBI, MD |
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In article ,
JG wrote: "Jeff Utz" wrote in message ... Very interesting article. I missed the part about where it said the vaccine makers were lobbying against vaccine exemptions, which was Roger's original claim, though. (Lobbying for mandatory vaccines is a different issue.) sigh I posted it in response to your statement, "I don't know (whether drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates)." Vaccine manufacturers clearly DO lobby state legislators when it comes to adding their vaccines to the lists of vaccines states require for school entry; it's probable, IMO, that they also do some lobbying if/when there's an effort to expand the exemptions a state offers (e.g., when a proposal to add a "philosophical" exemption is raised). It may indeed be that they do this. However, Roger simply assured us that it was true, rather than being truthful and telling us that it was merely his opinion. I'm neither surprised nor particularly disturbed that vaccine makers lobby for the adoption of their vaccines, no more so than I am over the makers of any other product lobbying for themselves. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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