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"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Phibius wrote: Actually, the latest issue of New Scientist makes a very convincing case, based on epidemioglogical work, that thimerosol has absolutely nothing to do with the incidence of autism (there is also a website, www.NewScientist.com). The reason they had a feature on autism is that here in Europe, a very large number of people are just as convinced that autism is being caused not by Thimerosol, but by the MMR vaccine - which has also been shown not to be the case. The change in the number of people being diagnosed is apparently down to the criteria used for diagnosis. Perhaps being too close to the issue makes it more difficult to be objective? Here, panic among the general public caused MMR vaccination rates to drop significantly, which has actually endangered lives - a very sad consequence of understandable fears, possibly worsened by inaccurate or alarmist media coverage. Thanks for your perspective fromn continental Europe. Spam is A OK if it agrees with the *gangs* beliefs! To continue reading this article, subscribe to New Scientist. Get 4 issues of New Scientist magazine and instant access to all online content for only $4.95 Jan, Is NOT the subject. |
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LadyLollipop wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Phibius wrote: Actually, the latest issue of New Scientist makes a very convincing case, based on epidemioglogical work, that thimerosol has absolutely nothing to do with the incidence of autism (there is also a website, www.NewScientist.com). The reason they had a feature on autism is that here in Europe, a very large number of people are just as convinced that autism is being caused not by Thimerosol, but by the MMR vaccine - which has also been shown not to be the case. The change in the number of people being diagnosed is apparently down to the criteria used for diagnosis. Perhaps being too close to the issue makes it more difficult to be objective? Here, panic among the general public caused MMR vaccination rates to drop significantly, which has actually endangered lives - a very sad consequence of understandable fears, possibly worsened by inaccurate or alarmist media coverage. Thanks for your perspective fromn continental Europe. Spam is A OK if it agrees with the *gangs* beliefs! What spam? To continue reading this article, subscribe to New Scientist. Get 4 issues of New Scientist magazine and instant access to all online content for only $4.95 Jan, Is NOT the subject. |
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LadyLollipop wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... LadyLollipop wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message thlink.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:KmrMe.255104$x96.38948@attbi_s72... "Jeff" wrote in message rthlink.net... Having a protest doesn't make something true. Jeff The protest is because the below things ARE true. Incorrect. The protest is because of what they think is true. Jeff Do prove they are not true. Do prove that they are true. You made the affirmative statement: "The protest is because the below things ARE true." Now, prove it. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! August 24 DC Protest - Vaccine-Autism Activists Join In by Evelyn Pringle OPINION snipped. Get proof. |
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... LadyLollipop wrote: "Mark Probert" wrote in message ... LadyLollipop wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message rthlink.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:KmrMe.255104$x96.38948@attbi_s72... "Jeff" wrote in message arthlink.net... Having a protest doesn't make something true. Jeff The protest is because the below things ARE true. Incorrect. The protest is because of what they think is true. Jeff Do prove they are not true. Do prove that they are true. You made the affirmative statement: "The protest is because the below things ARE true." Now, prove it. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! August 24 DC Protest - Vaccine-Autism Activists Join In by Evelyn Pringle OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:wrnNe.265772$_o.240897@attbi_s71... (...) OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! Mark is correct. An opinion is stated in the article. Not proof. In no way is the conjecture that mercury causes autism proved in the article. Jeff |
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LadyLollipop wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... LadyLollipop wrote: "Mark Probert" wrote in message ... LadyLollipop wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message arthlink.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:KmrMe.255104$x96.38948@attbi_s72... "Jeff" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Having a protest doesn't make something true. Jeff The protest is because the below things ARE true. Incorrect. The protest is because of what they think is true. Jeff Do prove they are not true. Do prove that they are true. You made the affirmative statement: "The protest is because the below things ARE true." Now, prove it. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! August 24 DC Protest - Vaccine-Autism Activists Join In by Evelyn Pringle OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! There is NO proof, just opinion. Opinions do not constitute proof. I'll prove it: In my opinion, Jan is a moron. If opinions were proof, that proves it. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message t... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:wrnNe.265772$_o.240897@attbi_s71... (...) OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! Mark is correct. An opinion is stated in the article. Not proof. In no way is the conjecture that mercury causes autism proved in the article. Jeff Both Mark and you feel free to prove each and every point listed wrong. Show us you are correct. http://www.opednews.com Activist attending the 3 day protest in Washington DC this month have one thing in common. They want to raise awareness of the fact that the pharmaceutical industry has knowingly injured Americans with dangerous products to increase profits and the nation's regulatory agencies have aided and abetted them. Since the discovery in recent years of cover-ups by the FDA and drug makers, involving injuries caused by drugs such as Prozac and Vioxx, the similar pattern of cover-ups of injuries caused by the nation's vaccine program should come as no surprise. During the 1990s, as the number of vaccines on the Federal Immunization Schedule nearly tripled, and vaccination rates soared to nearly 95% for five year olds, the number of kids diagnosed with autism and other neurological disorders skyrocketed. And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. Vaccines are the only product whose use is mandated in all 50 states, requiring children to be vaccinated before entering day care facilities and schools. According to a 1999 report by the General Accounting Office, an estimated 12 million vaccinations are given to children each year in the US. During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers financially responsible for the damage caused by their products. The country is in the midst of the worst man-made epidemic in history. Twenty years ago, autism only affected one in 10,000 children. However, the Autism Autoimmunity Project reports that the disorder strikes 1 in 150 (or 1 in 68 families) today. In dealing with this epidemic, the first order of business has to be to find a way to force the government to ban thimerosal in all vaccines. Most unsuspecting people do not realize that thimerosal is still contained in some products, such as flu vaccines. In addition, even though thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, drug companies are still knowingly injecting thimerosal into millions of children all over the world each year. The global market for vaccines is still a goldmine. For instance, UNICEF, the World Health Organization's parent body, buys 40% of all vaccines used in developing countries, and Merck is its sole supplier. Merck makes Recombivax HB, a Hepatitis B vaccine that contains thimerosal. Eli Lilly invented thimerosal, and it has licensing agreements with drug companies in 40 countries that make the product. The EPA recommends ingesting no more than 0.1 micrograms of mercury, and the FDA recommends no more than 0.4 micrograms per day for pregnant women, nursing mothers, and small children, which amounts to a recommendation that they eat no more than 12 ounces of tuna per week, because the EPA says, "mercury consumed by a pregnant or nursing woman or by a young child can harm the developing brain and nervous system." Yet the government still recommends that children aged 6 to 23 months and pregnant women get the flu vaccine with its 25 micrograms of mercury which amounts to 250 times the safety limit for mercury intake set by the EPA for fish-eaters. During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule. In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency. Professor Lynn Adams, of Radford University, a speech-language pathologist who specializes in autism, said that in1999, a study determined that the average child received 33 doses of 10 different vaccines by the age 5. By 1999, the FDA definitely knew about the accumulative dangers of thimerosal to our children. We know this because the staff for Rep Dan Burton (R-Ill) obtained an internal FDA e-mail written on June 29, 1999, by former FDA scientist Peter Patriarca, that specifically discussed the dangers when offering a "pros and cons" assessment of a statement on thimerosal about to be released by the FDA, and listed the questions and accusations that would inevitably be lodged against the FDA after its release. He said people are bound to question: (1) FDA being `asleep at the switch' for decades, by allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood vaccines, and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products. (2) various advisory bodies aggressive recommendations for use. (3) the dose of ethyl mercury was not generated by `rocket science': conversion of the % of thimerosal to actual ug [micrograms] of mercury involves 9th grade algebra. (4) What took the FDA so long to do the calculations? (5) Why didn't CDC and the advisory bodies do these calculations while rapidly expanding the childhood immunization schedule? The fact is that the FDA and CDC knew children were being poisoned and they kept the information hidden and allowed it to continue. "Because the FDA chose not to recall thimerosal-containing vaccines in 1999," the April 2003, House Committee on Government Reform report concludes, "in addition to all of those already injured, 8,000 children a day continued to be placed at risk for overdose for at least an additional two years." There's also no doubt that the drug companies knew of the dangers more than 30 years ago. In 1972, Lilly received an article that confirmed that thimerosal had caused 6 deaths when too much of it had been used, which said: "The symptoms and clinical course of the 6 patients suggests subacute mercury poisoning." In an October 12, 1979 memo, Merck scientists discussed the "potential problem" of having mercury in its flu and meningococcal vaccines, as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine that was under development and asked: "Should a program of replacement be initiated now to guard against any spontaneous rally to avoid its (thimerosal) use in injectables?" Last fall, the LA Times released a 1991 internal memo from Merck, that proves the company knew back then that the overuse of mercury in vaccines posed a dangerous health threat to children. The memo noted that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule would get a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish. Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a 12-year period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous results. In Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in 2003-04 there were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases twelve years ago, while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of autism 12 years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in 1992-93 and 3259 in 2003-04. We are on the verge of the biggest welfare disaster that his country has ever seen. Eighty percent of the autistic children in the US are under the age of 17. In a few short years, the states will be forced to provide support for an overwhelming number of disabled adults. "The costs will be in the trillions," according to Ann Dachel, a special education teacher and the mother of a boy with autism and a daughter who developed epilepsy after receiving a Hepatitis B vaccine. On February 15, 2005, the GAO, released a report titled, "Special Education Children With Autism," that revealed that the number of children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with autism who receiving special ed services has increased by more than 500% over the past 10 years, from under 20,000 in 1993 to almost 120,000 in 2002. The cost of educating this number of autistic kids will be enormous. The Department of Education spends about $53 billion a year on K-12 education. If it provides $60,000 per year to educate each of the currently identified school-age autistic children nationwide, the price tag will be over $7 billion a year, or about 13% of the Department's entire budget. And by the end of each year, the cost will be even higher due to the increased number of autistic kids entering the system each year. In the absence of a cure and drug company accountability, local tax payers will be forced to carry the life-long load of educating and caring for a generation of injured people and state and local taxes will go through the roof. The CDC and FDA policy decisions regarding vaccine approval and safety recommendations are made through physician advisory panels whose members often have financial relationships with the very same drug companies that they are supposed to regulate. For example, during a congressional hearing on potential conflicts of interests at the FDA, it was revealed that 60% of the advisory board members who voted to approve the poisonous rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to the drug companies manufacturing the vaccine. The committee also discovered that half of the CDC members had ties to the rotavirus makers. |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:5RtOe.273644$_o.77520@attbi_s71... "Jeff" wrote in message t... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:wrnNe.265772$_o.240897@attbi_s71... (...) OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! Mark is correct. An opinion is stated in the article. Not proof. In no way is the conjecture that mercury causes autism proved in the article. Jeff Both Mark and you feel free to prove each and every point listed wrong. Show us you are correct. http://www.opednews.com Activist attending the 3 day protest in Washington DC this month have one thing in common. They want to raise awareness of the fact that the pharmaceutical industry has knowingly injured Americans with dangerous products to increase profits and the nation's regulatory agencies have aided and abetted them. Since the discovery in recent years of cover-ups by the FDA and drug makers, involving injuries caused by drugs such as Prozac and Vioxx, the similar pattern of cover-ups of injuries caused by the nation's vaccine program should come as no surprise. Except there has been no cover-up. Suspected injuries are listed in the VAERS database. During the 1990s, as the number of vaccines on the Federal Immunization Schedule nearly tripled, and vaccination rates soared to nearly 95% for five year olds, the number of kids diagnosed with autism and other neurological disorders skyrocketed. Yet, that doesn't mean the vaccines cause autism. The price of gas is skyrocketing, too, but that doesn't mean that vaccines have anything to do with it. And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. Really? Do they live in an envrionment that is more polluted than ever? With mercury in fish? Do they live in an environment where physicians and other care-takers are more aware of autism and more likely to make a diagnosis? Vaccines are the only product whose use is mandated in all 50 states, requiring children to be vaccinated before entering day care facilities and schools. Incorrect. There is a philosophical and religious exemption in many states. And there is no requirement that kids get vaccinated. According to a 1999 report by the General Accounting Office, an estimated 12 million vaccinations are given to children each year in the US. Thank God. That means many illness are prevented and many lives saved each year. During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers financially responsible for the damage caused by their products. Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay? The country is in the midst of the worst man-made epidemic in history. Twenty years ago, autism only affected one in 10,000 children. However, the Autism Autoimmunity Project reports that the disorder strikes 1 in 150 (or 1 in 68 families) today. Yet, you haven't proven that the epidemic is man-made. In dealing with this epidemic, the first order of business has to be to find a way to force the government to ban thimerosal in all vaccines. Most unsuspecting people do not realize that thimerosal is still contained in some products, such as flu vaccines. Yet, thimerasol has never been shown to cause autism or other problems in the quantities used. In addition, even though thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, drug companies are still knowingly injecting thimerosal into millions of children all over the world each year. The global market for vaccines is still a goldmine. For instance, UNICEF, the World Health Organization's parent body, buys 40% of all vaccines used in developing countries, and Merck is its sole supplier. Merck makes Recombivax HB, a Hepatitis B vaccine that contains thimerosal. Eli Lilly invented thimerosal, and it has licensing agreements with drug companies in 40 countries that make the product. These vaccines are saving millions of lives each year. The EPA recommends ingesting no more than 0.1 micrograms of mercury, and the FDA recommends no more than 0.4 micrograms per day for pregnant women, nursing mothers, and small children, which amounts to a recommendation that they eat no more than 12 ounces of tuna per week, because the EPA says, "mercury consumed by a pregnant or nursing woman or by a young child can harm the developing brain and nervous system." Yet the government still recommends that children aged 6 to 23 months and pregnant women get the flu vaccine with its 25 micrograms of mercury which amounts to 250 times the safety limit for mercury intake set by the EPA for fish-eaters. And the mercury in fish is methylmercury, not ethylmerucry. And the thimerasol has never been shown to harm anyone in the doses used. During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule. In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency. Professor Lynn Adams, of Radford University, a speech-language pathologist who specializes in autism, said that in1999, a study determined that the average child received 33 doses of 10 different vaccines by the age 5. Which prevented many illnesses and deaths. By 1999, the FDA definitely knew about the accumulative dangers of thimerosal to our children. We know this because the staff for Rep Dan Burton (R-Ill) obtained an internal FDA e-mail written on June 29, 1999, by former FDA scientist Peter Patriarca, that specifically discussed the dangers when offering a "pros and cons" assessment of a statement on thimerosal about to be released by the FDA, and listed the questions and accusations that would inevitably be lodged against the FDA after its release. He said people are bound to question: (1) FDA being `asleep at the switch' for decades, by allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood vaccines, and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products. (2) various advisory bodies aggressive recommendations for use. (3) the dose of ethyl mercury was not generated by `rocket science': conversion of the % of thimerosal to actual ug [micrograms] of mercury involves 9th grade algebra. (4) What took the FDA so long to do the calculations? (5) Why didn't CDC and the advisory bodies do these calculations while rapidly expanding the childhood immunization schedule? Why didn't anyone else? Does the FDA possess the only calculator in the world? The fact is that the FDA and CDC knew children were being poisoned and they kept the information hidden and allowed it to continue. "Because the FDA chose not to recall thimerosal-containing vaccines in 1999," the April 2003, House Committee on Government Reform report concludes, "in addition to all of those already injured, 8,000 children a day continued to be placed at risk for overdose for at least an additional two years." Because there is no evidence that thimerasol in the doses used harms anyone. There's also no doubt that the drug companies knew of the dangers more than 30 years ago. In 1972, Lilly received an article that confirmed that thimerosal had caused 6 deaths when too much of it had been used, which said: "The symptoms and clinical course of the 6 patients suggests subacute mercury poisoning." Keywords: When too much of it was used. There have also been deaths when too much water is used. Does that mean we should stop drinking water? In an October 12, 1979 memo, Merck scientists discussed the "potential problem" of having mercury in its flu and meningococcal vaccines, as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine that was under development and asked: "Should a program of replacement be initiated now to guard against any spontaneous rally to avoid its (thimerosal) use in injectables?" Last fall, the LA Times released a 1991 internal memo from Merck, that proves the company knew back then that the overuse of mercury in vaccines posed a dangerous health threat to children. The memo noted that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule would get a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish. Yet, the form of mercury in fish is different than that in vaccines. Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a 12-year period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous results. In Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in 2003-04 there were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases twelve years ago, while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of autism 12 years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in 1992-93 and 3259 in 2003-04. You mean diagnoses. Not cases. They are different. Now that we are able to diagnose autism, we are able to give kids the help they need. We are on the verge of the biggest welfare disaster that his country has ever seen. Eighty percent of the autistic children in the US are under the age of 17. In a few short years, the states will be forced to provide support for an overwhelming number of disabled adults. "The costs will be in the trillions," according to Ann Dachel, a special education teacher and the mother of a boy with autism and a daughter who developed epilepsy after receiving a Hepatitis B vaccine. On February 15, 2005, the GAO, released a report titled, "Special Education Children With Autism," that revealed that the number of children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with autism who receiving special ed services has increased by more than 500% over the past 10 years, from under 20,000 in 1993 to almost 120,000 in 2002. The cost of educating this number of autistic kids will be enormous. The Department of Education spends about $53 billion a year on K-12 education. If it provides $60,000 per year to educate each of the currently identified school-age autistic children nationwide, the price tag will be over $7 billion a year, or about 13% of the Department's entire budget. And by the end of each year, the cost will be even higher due to the increased number of autistic kids entering the system each year. In the absence of a cure and drug company accountability, local tax payers will be forced to carry the life-long load of educating and caring for a generation of injured people and state and local taxes will go through the roof. The CDC and FDA policy decisions regarding vaccine approval and safety recommendations are made through physician advisory panels whose members often have financial relationships with the very same drug companies that they are supposed to regulate. Yet you cannot show me any cases where their supposed ties to the drug companies resulted in any changes in how they vote. For example, during a congressional hearing on potential conflicts of interests at the FDA, it was revealed that 60% of the advisory board members who voted to approve the poisonous rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to the drug companies manufacturing the vaccine. The committee also discovered that half of the CDC members had ties to the rotavirus makers. Did the other 40% of members vote for or against the vaccines? Jeff |
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"Jeff" wrote in message k.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:5RtOe.273644$_o.77520@attbi_s71... "Jeff" wrote in message t... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:wrnNe.265772$_o.240897@attbi_s71... (...) OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! Mark is correct. An opinion is stated in the article. Not proof. In no way is the conjecture that mercury causes autism proved in the article. Jeff Both Mark and you feel free to prove each and every point listed wrong. Show us you are correct. http://www.opednews.com Activist attending the 3 day protest in Washington DC this month have one thing in common. They want to raise awareness of the fact that the pharmaceutical industry has knowingly injured Americans with dangerous products to increase profits and the nation's regulatory agencies have aided and abetted them. Since the discovery in recent years of cover-ups by the FDA and drug makers, involving injuries caused by drugs such as Prozac and Vioxx, the similar pattern of cover-ups of injuries caused by the nation's vaccine program should come as no surprise. Except there has been no cover-up. Suspected injuries are listed in the VAERS database. NOT!!!! http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr83001.htm During the 1990s, as the number of vaccines on the Federal Immunization Schedule nearly tripled, and vaccination rates soared to nearly 95% for five year olds, the number of kids diagnosed with autism and other neurological disorders skyrocketed. Yet, that doesn't mean the vaccines cause autism. The price of gas is skyrocketing, too, but that doesn't mean that vaccines have anything to do with it. And it doesn't mean it didn't. Now, where is YOUR proof??? And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. Really? Do they live in an envrionment that is more polluted than ever? With mercury in fish? Or in their TEETH!!!!!! OOOOPSSSSS Do they live in an environment where physicians and other care-takers are more aware of autism and more likely to make a diagnosis? Care takers are making diagnosis????????????????????????????? Vaccines are the only product whose use is mandated in all 50 states, requiring children to be vaccinated before entering day care facilities and schools. Incorrect. There is a philosophical and religious exemption in many states. And there is no requirement that kids get vaccinated. Incorrect!!!!!!!!! EACH and EVERY child in *MY* daycare centers* had to be vaccinated or my *centers* did NOT have thier licenses renewed!!!!! According to a 1999 report by the General Accounting Office, an estimated 12 million vaccinations are given to children each year in the US. Thank God. That means many illness are prevented and many lives saved each year. EXCEPT Some we would like to forget. WHY do you suppose we have a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, Jeff? During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers financially responsible for the damage caused by their products. Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay? Simple, it is worded well above. Read it again. The country is in the midst of the worst man-made epidemic in history. Twenty years ago, autism only affected one in 10,000 children. However, the Autism Autoimmunity Project reports that the disorder strikes 1 in 150 (or 1 in 68 families) today. Yet, you haven't proven that the epidemic is man-made. Say What? What have YOU proven? Where is YOUR proof that this is incorrect? In dealing with this epidemic, the first order of business has to be to find a way to force the government to ban thimerosal in all vaccines. Most unsuspecting people do not realize that thimerosal is still contained in some products, such as flu vaccines. Yet, thimerasol has never been shown to cause autism or other problems in the quantities used. OH,,,,,,,,,now the story is changing to *in the quantities used* *;* http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm In addition, even though thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, drug companies are still knowingly injecting thimerosal into millions of children all over the world each year. The global market for vaccines is still a goldmine. For instance, UNICEF, the World Health Organization's parent body, buys 40% of all vaccines used in developing countries, and Merck is its sole supplier. Merck makes Recombivax HB, a Hepatitis B vaccine that contains thimerosal. Eli Lilly invented thimerosal, and it has licensing agreements with drug companies in 40 countries that make the product. These vaccines are saving millions of lives each year. E V EN T H O U G H thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, drug companies are ***S T I L L K N O W I N L Y*** injecting thimerosal into millions of children all over the world each year Uhhhh. Hmmmmm. The EPA recommends ingesting no more than 0.1 micrograms of mercury, and the FDA recommends no more than 0.4 micrograms per day for pregnant women, nursing mothers, and small children, which amounts to a recommendation that they eat no more than 12 ounces of tuna per week, because the EPA says, "mercury consumed by a pregnant or nursing woman or by a young child can harm the developing brain and nervous system." Yet the government still recommends that children aged 6 to 23 months and pregnant women get the flu vaccine with its 25 micrograms of mercury which amounts to 250 times the safety limit for mercury intake set by the EPA for fish-eaters. And the mercury in fish is methylmercury, not ethylmerucry. And the thimerasol has never been shown to harm anyone in the doses used. When or when will you ever learn to spell t h i m e r *o*s*a*l?!?! Now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, HEAR THIS! A LINK BETWEEN THIMEROSAL AND AUTISM HAS *CLEARLY* BEEN FOUND!!!!! http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule. In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency. Professor Lynn Adams, of Radford University, a speech-language pathologist who specializes in autism, said that in1999, a study determined that the average child received 33 doses of 10 different vaccines by the age 5. Which prevented many illnesses and deaths. AND CAUSED GOD KNOWS WHAT?!?!?! WITH ALL THAT MERCURY INJECTED WHICH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, *****the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule.******* Uhh. Hmmm. ****In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency.***** That's TEN LONG YEARS, Jeff. And you wonder, WHY people ae protesting?!?!?! By 1999, the FDA definitely knew about the accumulative dangers of thimerosal to our children. We know this because the staff for Rep Dan Burton (R-Ill) obtained an internal FDA e-mail written on June 29, 1999, by former FDA scientist Peter Patriarca, that specifically discussed the dangers when offering a "pros and cons" assessment of a statement on thimerosal about to be released by the FDA, and listed the questions and accusations that would inevitably be lodged against the FDA after its release. He said people are bound to question: (1) FDA being `asleep at the switch' for decades, by allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood vaccines, and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products. (2) various advisory bodies aggressive recommendations for use. (3) the dose of ethyl mercury was not generated by `rocket science': conversion of the % of thimerosal to actual ug [micrograms] of mercury involves 9th grade algebra. (4) What took the FDA so long to do the calculations? (5) Why didn't CDC and the advisory bodies do these calculations while rapidly expanding the childhood immunization schedule? Why didn't anyone else? Does the FDA possess the only calculator in the world? I'll tell you WHY. THEY DID!!!!! It's right there on the website, I gave you. The one you tried to discredit by trying to trash Dan Burton. http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...ngressacts.htm http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...rnmentknew.htm The fact is that the FDA and CDC knew children were being poisoned and they kept the information hidden and allowed it to continue. "Because the FDA chose not to recall thimerosal-containing vaccines in 1999," the April 2003, House Committee on Government Reform report concludes, "in addition to all of those already injured, 8,000 children a day continued to be placed at risk for overdose for at least an additional two years." Because there is no evidence that thimerasol in the doses used harms anyone. W R O N G. http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm There's also no doubt that the drug companies knew of the dangers more than 30 years ago. In 1972, Lilly received an article that confirmed that thimerosal had caused 6 deaths when too much of it had been used, which said: "The symptoms and clinical course of the 6 patients suggests subacute mercury poisoning." Keywords: When too much of it was used. There have also been deaths when too much water is used. Does that mean we should stop drinking water? Stupid skeptic trick. We are NOT talking about water. In an October 12, 1979 memo, Merck scientists discussed the "potential problem" of having mercury in its flu and meningococcal vaccines, as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine that was under development and asked: "Should a program of replacement be initiated now to guard against any spontaneous rally to avoid its (thimerosal) use in injectables?" Last fall, the LA Times released a 1991 internal memo from Merck, that proves the company knew back then that the overuse of mercury in vaccines posed a dangerous health threat to children. The memo noted that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule would get a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish. Yet, the form of mercury in fish is different than that in vaccines. http://www.mercuryexposure.org/index.php?article_id=251 Mercury is found in the environment in three basic states: elemental mercury or mercury vapor, inorganic mercury, and organic mercury (ethyl-, methyl-, alkyl-, or phenylmercury). Each form has an individual toxicological profile and metabolic fate. Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a 12-year period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous results. In Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in 2003-04 there were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases twelve years ago, while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of autism 12 years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in 1992-93 and 3259 in 2003-04. You mean diagnoses. Not cases. Oh? Proof, Please? They are different. Now that we are able to diagnose autism, we are able to give kids the help they need. A bit late. During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW, we are able to help them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Dear God in heaven!!!!!!!!! We are on the verge of the biggest welfare disaster that his country has ever seen. Eighty percent of the autistic children in the US are under the age of 17. In a few short years, the states will be forced to provide support for an overwhelming number of disabled adults. "The costs will be in the trillions," according to Ann Dachel, a special education teacher and the mother of a boy with autism and a daughter who developed epilepsy after receiving a Hepatitis B vaccine. On February 15, 2005, the GAO, released a report titled, "Special Education Children With Autism," that revealed that the number of children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with autism who receiving special ed services has increased by more than 500% over the past 10 years, from under 20,000 in 1993 to almost 120,000 in 2002. The cost of educating this number of autistic kids will be enormous. The Department of Education spends about $53 billion a year on K-12 education. If it provides $60,000 per year to educate each of the currently identified school-age autistic children nationwide, the price tag will be over $7 billion a year, or about 13% of the Department's entire budget. And by the end of each year, the cost will be even higher due to the increased number of autistic kids entering the system each year. In the absence of a cure and drug company accountability, local tax payers will be forced to carry the life-long load of educating and caring for a generation of injured people and state and local taxes will go through the roof. The CDC and FDA policy decisions regarding vaccine approval and safety recommendations are made through physician advisory panels whose members often have financial relationships with the very same drug companies that they are supposed to regulate. Yet you cannot show me any cases where their supposed ties to the drug companies resulted in any changes in how they vote. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unreal. I give up. LOL! For example, during a congressional hearing on potential conflicts of interests at the FDA, it was revealed that 60% of the advisory board members who voted to approve the poisonous rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to the drug companies manufacturing the vaccine. The committee also discovered that half of the CDC members had ties to the rotavirus makers. Did the other 40% of members vote for or against the vaccines? Jeff Oh, my, first one cannot show Jeff, any cases where their supposed ties to the drug companies resulted in any changes in how they vote. Now, he wants to know if the other 40% of members vote for or against the vaccines? Bless. *;* |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:sDzOe.58732$084.35262@attbi_s22... "Jeff" wrote in message k.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:5RtOe.273644$_o.77520@attbi_s71... "Jeff" wrote in message t... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:wrnNe.265772$_o.240897@attbi_s71... (...) OPINION snipped. Get proof. For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article! Mark is correct. An opinion is stated in the article. Not proof. In no way is the conjecture that mercury causes autism proved in the article. Jeff Both Mark and you feel free to prove each and every point listed wrong. Show us you are correct. http://www.opednews.com Activist attending the 3 day protest in Washington DC this month have one thing in common. They want to raise awareness of the fact that the pharmaceutical industry has knowingly injured Americans with dangerous products to increase profits and the nation's regulatory agencies have aided and abetted them. Since the discovery in recent years of cover-ups by the FDA and drug makers, involving injuries caused by drugs such as Prozac and Vioxx, the similar pattern of cover-ups of injuries caused by the nation's vaccine program should come as no surprise. Except there has been no cover-up. Suspected injuries are listed in the VAERS database. NOT!!!! http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr83001.htm During the 1990s, as the number of vaccines on the Federal Immunization Schedule nearly tripled, and vaccination rates soared to nearly 95% for five year olds, the number of kids diagnosed with autism and other neurological disorders skyrocketed. Yet, that doesn't mean the vaccines cause autism. The price of gas is skyrocketing, too, but that doesn't mean that vaccines have anything to do with it. And it doesn't mean it didn't. Now, where is YOUR proof??? Sorry but I know of no one who has done a study of the price of gasoline and autism. And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. Really? Do they live in an envrionment that is more polluted than ever? With mercury in fish? Or in their TEETH!!!!!! OOOOPSSSSS Not many kids under 3 have fillings. And vaccines have nothing to do with fillings. Do they live in an environment where physicians and other care-takers are more aware of autism and more likely to make a diagnosis? Care takers are making diagnosis????????????????????????????? yes, pediatricians, family doctors, pediatric nurse practioners. Vaccines are the only product whose use is mandated in all 50 states, requiring children to be vaccinated before entering day care facilities and schools. Incorrect. There is a philosophical and religious exemption in many states. And there is no requirement that kids get vaccinated. Incorrect!!!!!!!!! EACH and EVERY child in *MY* daycare centers* had to be vaccinated or my *centers* did NOT have thier licenses renewed!!!!! There is no legal requirement that kids go to daycare or school. And there are religious and philosophical exemptions in many states. According to a 1999 report by the General Accounting Office, an estimated 12 million vaccinations are given to children each year in the US. Thank God. That means many illness are prevented and many lives saved each year. EXCEPT Some we would like to forget. WHY do you suppose we have a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, Jeff? Because there are a *few* cases of vaccine injuries. And, when child get sick after a vaccine juries tend to find for the defendent regardless of the facts because drug companies are percieved to have deep pockets. This drives that cost of vaccines up. This is a way to provide some compensation for sick kids who were really injured by vaccines, while enabling vaccine companies to be able to continue to make vaccines and save lives. If there were not this sort of program, many vaccine companies would stop making them. During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers financially responsible for the damage caused by their products. Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay? Simple, it is worded well above. Read it again. I did. You claimed that the government "forced vaccination" and "has an obligation to ... holde the vaccine-makers [sic] financially responsible for damage caused by their products." This doesn't explain why the government should pay. In theory, the federal government is required to pay for mandates that the NCLB requires. why shouldn't the government be required to pay for damages required by what you claim is a government mandate? The country is in the midst of the worst man-made epidemic in history. Twenty years ago, autism only affected one in 10,000 children. However, the Autism Autoimmunity Project reports that the disorder strikes 1 in 150 (or 1 in 68 families) today. Yet, you haven't proven that the epidemic is man-made. Say What? What have YOU proven? Where is YOUR proof that this is incorrect? You are making a claim. you need to back it up. In dealing with this epidemic, the first order of business has to be to find a way to force the government to ban thimerosal in all vaccines. Most unsuspecting people do not realize that thimerosal is still contained in some products, such as flu vaccines. Yet, thimerasol has never been shown to cause autism or other problems in the quantities used. OH,,,,,,,,,now the story is changing to *in the quantities used* What else would you expect? Would you expect me to say "thimerasol has never been shown to injure anyone at doses 10,000,000 times greater than the quantities used?" That would make no sense. The quantities used is the relevent amount. I don't beleive I have ever claimed otherwise. *;* http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm In addition, even though thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, drug companies are still knowingly injecting thimerosal into millions of children all over the world each year. The global market for vaccines is still a goldmine. For instance, UNICEF, the World Health Organization's parent body, buys 40% of all vaccines used in developing countries, and Merck is its sole supplier. Merck makes Recombivax HB, a Hepatitis B vaccine that contains thimerosal. Eli Lilly invented thimerosal, and it has licensing agreements with drug companies in 40 countries that make the product. These vaccines are saving millions of lives each year. E V EN T H O U G H thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, drug companies are ***S T I L L K N O W I N L Y*** injecting thimerosal into millions of children all over the world each year I did not know drug companies inject anything into kids. Uhhhh. Hmmmmm. The EPA recommends ingesting no more than 0.1 micrograms of mercury, and the FDA recommends no more than 0.4 micrograms per day for pregnant women, nursing mothers, and small children, which amounts to a recommendation that they eat no more than 12 ounces of tuna per week, because the EPA says, "mercury consumed by a pregnant or nursing woman or by a young child can harm the developing brain and nervous system." Yet the government still recommends that children aged 6 to 23 months and pregnant women get the flu vaccine with its 25 micrograms of mercury which amounts to 250 times the safety limit for mercury intake set by the EPA for fish-eaters. And the mercury in fish is methylmercury, not ethylmerucry. And the thimerasol has never been shown to harm anyone in the doses used. When or when will you ever learn to spell t h i m e r *o*s*a*l?!?! Now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, HEAR THIS! A LINK BETWEEN THIMEROSAL AND AUTISM HAS *CLEARLY* BEEN FOUND!!!!! http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm In mice. Again, I promise never to inject my mice if they are of the particular strain affected (if I ever get any) with any vaccines. During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule. In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency. Professor Lynn Adams, of Radford University, a speech-language pathologist who specializes in autism, said that in1999, a study determined that the average child received 33 doses of 10 different vaccines by the age 5. Which prevented many illnesses and deaths. AND CAUSED GOD KNOWS WHAT?!?!?! WITH ALL THAT MERCURY INJECTED WHICH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, *****the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule.******* Uhh. Hmmm. ****In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency.***** That's TEN LONG YEARS, Jeff. And you wonder, WHY people ae protesting?!?!?! The guidelines were based on guidelines for methylmercury, which is more toxic than ethylmercury. And, no one has shown that ethylmercury is toxic in the doses used. By 1999, the FDA definitely knew about the accumulative dangers of thimerosal to our children. We know this because the staff for Rep Dan Burton (R-Ill) obtained an internal FDA e-mail written on June 29, 1999, by former FDA scientist Peter Patriarca, that specifically discussed the dangers when offering a "pros and cons" assessment of a statement on thimerosal about to be released by the FDA, and listed the questions and accusations that would inevitably be lodged against the FDA after its release. He said people are bound to question: (1) FDA being `asleep at the switch' for decades, by allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood vaccines, and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products. (2) various advisory bodies aggressive recommendations for use. (3) the dose of ethyl mercury was not generated by `rocket science': conversion of the % of thimerosal to actual ug [micrograms] of mercury involves 9th grade algebra. (4) What took the FDA so long to do the calculations? (5) Why didn't CDC and the advisory bodies do these calculations while rapidly expanding the childhood immunization schedule? Why didn't anyone else? Does the FDA possess the only calculator in the world? I'll tell you WHY. THEY DID!!!!! It's right there on the website, I gave you. The one you tried to discredit by trying to trash Dan Burton. http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...ngressacts.htm http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...rnmentknew.htm Dan Burton doesn't need me to trash him. His comments do it for him. The fact is that the FDA and CDC knew children were being poisoned and they kept the information hidden and allowed it to continue. "Because the FDA chose not to recall thimerosal-containing vaccines in 1999," the April 2003, House Committee on Government Reform report concludes, "in addition to all of those already injured, 8,000 children a day continued to be placed at risk for overdose for at least an additional two years." Because there is no evidence that thimerasol in the doses used harms anyone. W R O N G. http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm Thimerasol is not used in dentistry. There's also no doubt that the drug companies knew of the dangers more than 30 years ago. In 1972, Lilly received an article that confirmed that thimerosal had caused 6 deaths when too much of it had been used, which said: "The symptoms and clinical course of the 6 patients suggests subacute mercury poisoning." Keywords: When too much of it was used. There have also been deaths when too much water is used. Does that mean we should stop drinking water? Stupid skeptic trick. We are NOT talking about water. But the analogy is correct. you have to look at doses. In an October 12, 1979 memo, Merck scientists discussed the "potential problem" of having mercury in its flu and meningococcal vaccines, as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine that was under development and asked: "Should a program of replacement be initiated now to guard against any spontaneous rally to avoid its (thimerosal) use in injectables?" Last fall, the LA Times released a 1991 internal memo from Merck, that proves the company knew back then that the overuse of mercury in vaccines posed a dangerous health threat to children. The memo noted that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule would get a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish. Yet, the form of mercury in fish is different than that in vaccines. http://www.mercuryexposure.org/index.php?article_id=251 Mercury is found in the environment in three basic states: elemental mercury or mercury vapor, inorganic mercury, and organic mercury (ethyl-, methyl-, alkyl-, or phenylmercury). Each form has an individual toxicological profile and metabolic fate. Correct. Except that organic mercury is not *one* form. There are literally thousands of different organic mercury compounds, each of which is different. Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a 12-year period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous results. In Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in 2003-04 there were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases twelve years ago, while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of autism 12 years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in 1992-93 and 3259 in 2003-04. You mean diagnoses. Not cases. Oh? Proof, Please? For one to have a case of autism, there also has to be a diagnosis. They are different. Now that we are able to diagnose autism, we are able to give kids the help they need. A bit late. During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products, the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and discovered that the mercury being injected into children through vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW, we are able to help them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Dear God in heaven!!!!!!!!! We are on the verge of the biggest welfare disaster that his country has ever seen. Eighty percent of the autistic children in the US are under the age of 17. In a few short years, the states will be forced to provide support for an overwhelming number of disabled adults. "The costs will be in the trillions," according to Ann Dachel, a special education teacher and the mother of a boy with autism and a daughter who developed epilepsy after receiving a Hepatitis B vaccine. On February 15, 2005, the GAO, released a report titled, "Special Education Children With Autism," that revealed that the number of children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with autism who receiving special ed services has increased by more than 500% over the past 10 years, from under 20,000 in 1993 to almost 120,000 in 2002. The cost of educating this number of autistic kids will be enormous. The Department of Education spends about $53 billion a year on K-12 education. If it provides $60,000 per year to educate each of the currently identified school-age autistic children nationwide, the price tag will be over $7 billion a year, or about 13% of the Department's entire budget. And by the end of each year, the cost will be even higher due to the increased number of autistic kids entering the system each year. In the absence of a cure and drug company accountability, local tax payers will be forced to carry the life-long load of educating and caring for a generation of injured people and state and local taxes will go through the roof. The CDC and FDA policy decisions regarding vaccine approval and safety recommendations are made through physician advisory panels whose members often have financial relationships with the very same drug companies that they are supposed to regulate. Yet you cannot show me any cases where their supposed ties to the drug companies resulted in any changes in how they vote. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unreal. I give up. I don't blame you. You have no evidence to back your claim. LOL! For example, during a congressional hearing on potential conflicts of interests at the FDA, it was revealed that 60% of the advisory board members who voted to approve the poisonous rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to the drug companies manufacturing the vaccine. The committee also discovered that half of the CDC members had ties to the rotavirus makers. Did the other 40% of members vote for or against the vaccines? Jeff Oh, my, first one cannot show Jeff, any cases where their supposed ties to the drug companies resulted in any changes in how they vote. Supposed ties. Now, he wants to know if the other 40% of members vote for or against the vaccines? Actually, they voted for the continued health of kids. Bless. *;* |
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