Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?

Wendy Marsden wrote:


In my extensive experience I have to tell you that dentist DOES
equal pain. I sometimes have four shots of novacaine before I give up and
just bear the pain along with the dentist's scorn for being so wimpy.

One possibility - your nerve is not in the expected spot, and
they are missing it, or only lightly numbing it.

One clue that they hit the right spot with the novocaine for me
is that the tip of my nose also goes totally numb.

You also might burn it off faster than most people, and the
dentist is outside the window of opportunity.

I was a redhead as a child. I read a blurb suggesting that they don't
process anesthesia the same way as non-red-heads.

They don't ... something linked to the pigmentation modifies
breakdown of chemicals in many of them.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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your kid and run for your life.

Yup, its called "anatomic variation," rather than "the dentist messing
up!"

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:05:28 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh
wrote:

Wendy Marsden wrote:


In my extensive experience I have to tell you that dentist DOES
equal pain. I sometimes have four shots of novacaine before I give up and
just bear the pain along with the dentist's scorn for being so wimpy.

One possibility - your nerve is not in the expected spot, and
they are missing it, or only lightly numbing it.

One clue that they hit the right spot with the novocaine for me
is that the tip of my nose also goes totally numb.

You also might burn it off faster than most people, and the
dentist is outside the window of opportunity.

I was a redhead as a child. I read a blurb suggesting that they don't
process anesthesia the same way as non-red-heads.

They don't ... something linked to the pigmentation modifies
breakdown of chemicals in many of them.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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True!

Some people are xylocaine burners .......

This can be tested for by Dr. Jan Drew at sci.med.dentistry .........




On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:05:28 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh
wrote:

You also might burn it off faster than most people, and the
dentist is outside the window of opportunity.

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Philadelphia PA

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dragonlady wrote:

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Wendy Marsden wrote:

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Dentist _does not_ equal pain.

It does if they try a nerve block that doesn't quite take. That's
happened to me a few times.

In my extensive experience I have to tell you that dentist DOES
equal pain. I sometimes have four shots of novacaine before I give up and
just bear the pain along with the dentist's scorn for being so wimpy.

I don't mind the pinch/burn of the novacaine all that much, but I *really*
mind the startling, sharp, coursing-through-me twang when the drill hits a
nerve. And it's going to at some random moment every few seconds.

I don't know if EVERYONE has this problem with novacaine, or if everyone
else just shuts up and bears the feeling of drill on nerve, but I'm not
going to pretend it isn't there.

By the way, the spinal didn't work for my C-section, either. I felt the
knife twice, and the contractions during the surgery, but not much of the
stitching up afterwards besides tugging. At that point I had been in
labor for three days and didn't think a bit more pain was worth
mentioning, but I later found out that other people don't feel surgery.

I was a redhead as a child. I read a blurb suggesting that they don't
process anesthesia the same way as non-red-heads. I suspect this is one
of those things where people who DON'T have this problem don't believe it
when people say they DO have this problem.


I'm wondering if the resistance to anesthetics extends to other
anesthetics and if that might not be your problem with your child
resisting the dentist. Had you considered that possibility?


Apparently, my family has a resistance to novacaine. The first time I
needed it, it was in the middle of my back, and the family doctor -- who
was the doctor for several generations of the family -- knew the family
history and after putting in the "normal" amount and waiting the
appropriate amount of time, stuck me with a pin -- and I felt it a LOT.
So he doubled it and waited longer, and the second time I didn't feel it
at all. He just told me to always tell anyone treating me that I need
2X the normal amount, and a longer wait. I have one brother who
apparently never responds to it at all. It is really important for us
to find medical people who believe us!

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I'm kind of the opposite - any anesthesia knocks me right out, and it
takes me a long time to come out of it afterwards.

I asked my dh about whether he had novocaine or anesthetic for dental
procedures as a child and he said of course he did. I didn't.

I don't remember ever getting any anesthetic for normal cavity filling
until about 1964 when I was 26 years old. (And that was a new dentist
who had HUGE hands - I felt that he gave me the anesthetic to cover up
that he was clumsy because I felt like I'd gone 3 rounds with the
heavy-weight champ afterwards.)

So drilling DID hurt, but it wasn't so painful that it gave me any
phobias because I apparently don't have especially active pain nerves
in my mouth. I consider this astonishing because I think I'm a wimp
when it comes to pain.

I've had a root canal in a back molar without anesthetic which didn't
hurt at all, although the dentist was a wreck afterwards and insisted
(to finish up on the 2nd visit) that I take anesthetic the next time.
(It gave me a somewhat rosy idea of root canal pain, because I've had
one since that WAS painful even with anesthetic.)

I also had an impacted lower wisdom tooth removed (under general
anesthesia) and when I went to have something done to the packing
(replaced or removed or something - this was in 1958), I had to go to
a different dentist because I'd had the tooth done in spring break and
I was back in school. When the dentist was putting in the packing he
kept asking me if it hurt. When I said no, he said, somewhat
disappointedly, "Most people would be hitting the ceiling by now."

I have to say, that after a long life of interaction with the
medical/dental community I do not believe that even competent well
educated professionals are necessarily always right about their
recommendations and beliefs as to what actions one should do to be
healthy. This cynical attitude started when I helped my dad grade
anatomy practicals when I was 9 or 10 years old.

So for instance, I do not believe that all children's cavities can be
prevented by assiduous care by the parents or the corollary that all
children's cavities are the result of neglect by the parents.


grandma Rosalie

Those days are long gone! Patients are way wimpy compared to the
self-reliant people of yore!

US has changed GREATLY. I did a bridge for a policemen with excellent
dental coverage. This time, I was salivating, not the patient! At the
very first injection, I was wondering if perhaps he was in the wrong
line of work.

Sometimes street brawls and bullets hurt lots! He was overly sensitive
about dentistry!


Dentistry is about trust and how much your dentist lies to you to
destroy that trust. It is an interesting psychological experience that
approximates the parent/child relationship!

Joel




On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:59:07 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

I asked my dh about whether he had novocaine or anesthetic for dental
procedures as a child and he said of course he did. I didn't.

I don't remember ever getting any anesthetic for normal cavity filling
until about 1964 when I was 26 years old. (And that was a new dentist
who had HUGE hands - I felt that he gave me the anesthetic to cover up

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Different strokes ,, ,different folks ,,,,,,,

This is why dentists SHOULD be sensitive folks ....!!


On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:59:07 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

So drilling DID hurt, but it wasn't so painful that it gave me any
phobias because I apparently don't have especially active pain nerves
in my mouth. I consider this astonishing because I think I'm a wimp
when it comes to pain.

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Joel M. Eichen, .
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Why?

A non-vital tooth requires no xylocaine!


Joel


On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:59:07 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

I've had a root canal in a back molar without anesthetic which didn't
hurt at all, although the dentist was a wreck afterwards and insisted
(to finish up on the 2nd visit) that I take anesthetic the next time.
(It gave me a somewhat rosy idea of root canal pain, because I've had

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Joel M. Eichen, .
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Precisely correct!


On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:59:07 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

I have to say, that after a long life of interaction with the
medical/dental community I do not believe that even competent well
educated professionals are necessarily always right about their
recommendations and beliefs as to what actions one should do to be

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Very wise comments ... THANKS!

By the way, what type of anatomy practical?



Joel

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:59:07 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

So for instance, I do not believe that all children's cavities can be
prevented by assiduous care by the parents or the corollary that all
children's cavities are the result of neglect by the parents.


grandma Rosalie

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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:

More importantly is WHERE the xylocaine is placed .....

Joel

Exactly! Thats the first skill every dentist should be PERFECT at before
he is ever allowed to use a drill.


On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:24:48 GMT, dragonlady
wrote:

Apparently, my family has a resistance to novacaine. The first time I
needed it, it was in the middle of my back, and the family doctor -- who
was the doctor for several generations of the family -- knew the family
history and after putting in the "normal" amount and waiting the
appropriate amount of time, stuck me with a pin -- and I felt it a LOT.
So he doubled it and waited longer, and the second time I didn't feel it


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