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Old July 2nd 07, 02:23 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Jeff
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Default Smallpox vax 1880

JOHN wrote:
"george conklin" wrote in message
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Bathing stopped many problems, but smallpox was not that easily stopped.
Swamps needed to be drained for public health, and in the USA that
happened when farmers wanted bottom lands. Cheap cotton cloth helped a
lot too. The list goes on. But smallpox was stopped only by vaccination.


You can't beat an allopath for ignorance


Actually, the cool thing about science-based medicine is that scientists
recognize that they don't know everything and keep asking questions.
Conjecture-based medicine types often don't.

Jeff
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Old July 6th 07, 02:27 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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Default Smallpox vax 1880

In article , JOHN wrote:

"george conklin" wrote in message
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Bathing stopped many problems, but smallpox was not that easily stopped.
Swamps needed to be drained for public health, and in the USA that
happened when farmers wanted bottom lands. Cheap cotton cloth helped a
lot too. The list goes on. But smallpox was stopped only by vaccination.


You can't beat an allopath for ignorance


You can, John. And you do, every time you post.

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Old July 7th 07, 08:51 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
David Wright
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Default Smallpox vax 1880

In article , JOHN wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.


As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds


John is very fond of this "780,000" number. It comes from a "study"
(gack) by Null et al, which blames all kinds of deaths on doctors,
including deaths from bedsores in nursing homes. Many of the other
sources are highly suspect.

[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination.


If the statistics are inadequate, you can estimate anything you want.

This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.


Yep, documents produced by politicians are always the last word in
reliable medical research. Not.

[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold;


Some reason to assume causality here would be nice.

Of course, this latter screed came from "The International Anti-
Vaccination League," so one might even suspect they were not entirely
objective. Of course, John would not be one to suspect that, inasmuch
as their claims meet his agenda. Also, their claims come from 1880,
and John venerates a source in proportion to how old it is.

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These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
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Old July 7th 07, 08:53 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
David Wright
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Default Smallpox vax 1880

In article ,
JOHN wrote:

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was
attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1%
death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it
naturally.
Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty
sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball
peen
hammer.

death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as
Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden in
the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox


So they claimed. Rather hard to prove at this remove, isn't it? I
also like the seeming precision of figures like "18%", as if the
statistics were even remotely reliable enough to make such claims.

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These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
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