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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
Holding was that just the fact that a 2 yr old child was running around,
unclothed, in her her yard was not SUFFICIENT GROUNDS for DSS, CPS, CPA to open an INTRUSIVE, COSTLY investigation into family's behavior. Reference: http://www.hslda.org BTW, this decision is IN LINE with California Court which stated, unequivocally that caseworkers do NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO DEMAND ENTRANCE TO A HOME. Calabretta v Floyd (California, 1999) When in doubt, keep 'em out..... http://www.familyrightsassociation.com http://www.theacf.org California site, esp. Santa Clara county for folks intimidated by DSS, CPS there. Newsgroup alt support child protective services ascps |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
Fern5827 wrote:
Subject: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003) From: (Fern5827) Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Thank you, Lavonne for forwarding this post to ascps. You're welcome, Fern. IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the right to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file. What about the parent who spanks his or her child on bare skin with a belt or whip, breaking the skin and leaving severe welts, bruises and bleeding? Does the "Gvt." have a right to "OPEN a file" or does the "Gvt." turn a blind eye to the suffering of the little child because the parent is only spanking? What about the parent who spanks his or her child hard enough to knock the child down, and break bones? Does the "Gvt." have the right to "OPEN a file" or does the "Gvt." ignore the child's injuries because they were the result of a spanking? You really care very little for children, Fern. You see, we fought a war against atrocities like that during the Hitler Youth era. What a hoot! The "Hitler Youth era" was characterized by child protection organizations investigating families for neglect and abuse of their children? Weird understanding of history you have there, Fern. LaVonne |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
Fern5827 wrote: Subject: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003) From: (Fern5827) Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the right to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file. What if I had a son and spanked him? Does your position change with the gender of the child? LaVonne |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
"LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message ... Fern5827 wrote: Subject: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003) From: (Fern5827) Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Thank you, Lavonne for forwarding this post to ascps. You're welcome, Fern. IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the right to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file. What about the parent who spanks his or her child on bare skin with a belt or whip, breaking the skin and leaving severe welts, bruises and bleeding? Does the "Gvt." have a right to "OPEN a file" or does the "Gvt." turn a blind eye to the suffering of the little child because the parent is only spanking? What about the parent who spanks his or her child hard enough to knock the child down, and break bones? Does the "Gvt." have the right to "OPEN a file" or does the "Gvt." ignore the child's injuries because they were the result of a spanking? You really care very little for children, Fern. You see, we fought a war against atrocities like that during the Hitler Youth era. What a hoot! The "Hitler Youth era" was characterized by child protection organizations investigating families for neglect and abuse of their children? Weird understanding of history you have there, Fern. LaVonne There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme rather than the norm? By implication, you assume Fern is a child beater and does not care for children... which is rather unfair. bobb bobb |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
bobb wrote (to me): There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme rather than the norm? The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the assault. When an adult is the victim of assault, he/she is legally protected, regardless of the severity. When a child is the victim, laws change. All forms of corporal punishment are illegal for adults, including criminals in the justice syustem. Yet we allow children to legally experience the same punishment that is illegal in the US for even the most severe crimiinal. Pretty bizarre, don't you think? By implication, you assume Fern is a child beater and does not care for children... which is rather unfair. I don't assume anything about Fern. I know that she posts very little that indicates a concern for children. LaVonne bobb bobb |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean
the Gvt. has the right to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file. What if I had a son and spanked him? Does your position change with the gender of the child? LaVonne Why would you even think that? I said before that your totalitarianism in referring to spanking as beating will not go over well. Only other anti-spank zealots would not think badly of you for calling all spanking "beating". Fern's reference to the Nazi Youth has no connection? Kids "telling" on their own parents? Kids blackmailing parents "give me x or I'll tell"?? I knew a girl who was doing that in Foster care way back in 1977. Had hopped through a whole SERIES of foster parents making false sexual accusations. Easy to figure out why she was IN Foster Care in the first place! But the ""experts"" couldn't figure out the scam that she bragged about to half the school? No WONDER Foster Care providers get a lot of false accusations! But the system rarely if ever, considers that the accusation that REMOVED the kid was similarly false. |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote: bobb wrote (to me): There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme rather than the norm? The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the assault. And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light! Doan |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
Doan wrote in message ...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote: bobb wrote (to me): There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme rather than the norm? The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the assault. And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light! And the only difference between Doan and dumb is they contain the same number of characters. Doan Kane |
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Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
On 3 Oct 2003, Kane wrote:
Doan wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote: bobb wrote (to me): There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme rather than the norm? The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the assault. And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light! And the only difference between Doan and dumb is they contain the same number of characters. So is Kane! :-) Doan |
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