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October 17th 03, 11:09 PM
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MMR Scare Tactics
Wed 15 Oct 2003
http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391 11:21am (UK) Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics By Chris Moncrieff, PA News People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen Ladyman said today. And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling science". Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories or the 'breakthrough imminent' type. "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of scientific reports." He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the reasons why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR. "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who would much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the real evidence." Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in this country than in other countries that use MMR. He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is a certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR. It was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as an opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government. "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that. "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted serious damage on many people in our community." He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be ashamed of themselves." Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and therefore increased bed blocking. He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody has put to me." 
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October 21st 03, 05:35 PM
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some of these propaganda merchants really try hard to insult ones
intelligence, but seeing how stupid and uninformed most people willingly are it must be tempting to see how far you can push it. it is a bit much to have a go at your own outlets of propaganda john "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD "Markasurus Probertasaurus" wrote in message .net... Wed 15 Oct 2003 http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391 11:21am (UK) Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics By Chris Moncrieff, PA News People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen Ladyman said today. And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling science". Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories or the 'breakthrough imminent' type. "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of scientific reports." He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the reasons why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR. "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who would much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the real evidence." Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in this country than in other countries that use MMR. He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is a certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR. It was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as an opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government. "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that. "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted serious damage on many people in our community." He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be ashamed of themselves." Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and therefore increased bed blocking. He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody has put to me."
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October 23rd 03, 03:30 AM
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"john" wrote in message om... some of these propaganda merchants really try hard to insult ones intelligence, but seeing how stupid and uninformed most people willingly are it must be tempting to see how far you can push it. it is a bit much to have a go at your own outlets of propaganda Yeah, I know what you mean. There is one stupid guy who has this web site called whale to. He puts the most stupid stuff on it. Sadly, there are people who believe his crap. john "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD Rimland is another example. Funny thing is that when experts examine the video tapes Rimland talks about (of supposedly normal behavior), they are able to see some signs that the kids are not normal. They don't seen these signs in kids who don't develop autism nearly as often. And they look at the videos without knowing if the kids turn out normal or not. Rimland should also know that epidemiological studies show that there is no increase in autism in kids who got the vaccine compared to those who didn't. And some studies even find lower rates of autism amoungst kids who got the vaccine. And Rimland should also know that the CSF does not have many brain cells (neurons) in it and that the digestive tract is not part of the brain. I feel sorry for the people who listen to people like Rimland and who waste their efforts on the beleif that autism is caused by vaccines when studies have repeatedly shown this is very unlikely, at best. Instead, I wish they would work on things that do make a difference, like finding the real causes of autism and getting proper help for the people affected by autism. Jeff "Markasurus Probertasaurus" wrote in message .net... Wed 15 Oct 2003 http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391 11:21am (UK) Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics By Chris Moncrieff, PA News People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen Ladyman said today. And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling science". Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories or the 'breakthrough imminent' type. "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of scientific reports." He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the reasons why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR. "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who would much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the real evidence." Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in this country than in other countries that use MMR. He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is a certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR. It was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as an opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government. "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that. "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted serious damage on many people in our community." He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be ashamed of themselves." Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and therefore increased bed blocking. He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody has put to me."
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October 23rd 03, 06:36 AM
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"Jeff" wrote in news:bn7ecj
: Jeff, I normally don't top post, but I feel that this warrants it. Here are some headlines about vaccines. ---------------------------------------------------------------- "New Evidence Breast Cancer Vaccine Works Micki Flowers KIRO 7 Eyewitness News Health Reporter POSTED: 4:21 p.m. PDT October 22, 2003 UPDATED: 4:22 p.m. PDT October 22, 2003 There's mounting evidence that an experimental vaccine may be an effective weapon against breast cancer. More Breast Cancer Information from the American Cancer Society News Release On The Study Clinical Trials At The Hutch Researchers hope someday to prevent breast cancer in healthy women." Full article at http://www.kirotv.com/health/2574587/detail.html. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Breast cancer vaccine shows promise Experimental treatment may prevent recurrence of disease ASSOCIATED PRESS Oct. 22 — After five major surgeries for a particularly aggressive form of breast cancer, Patricia Thomas called the little pinprick she received in a government study the simplest procedure she’s undergone. That pinprick above her knee was an experimental vaccine derived from tiny bits of tumor protein that researchers hope will keep the 70-year-old Arlington, Va., woman’s cancer from returning." Full article at http://www.msnbc.com/news/983616.asp?0cv=HA00 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Researchers hail skin cancer 'vaccine' (Filed: 01/10/2003) One of the world's first cancer "vaccines" is to be tested on people for the first time. The treatment is being hailed as the "closest thing yet" to a cure for skin cancer. Full article at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml? view=DETAILS&grid=P8&targetRule=10&xml=%2Fhealth%2 F2003%2F10%2F08% 2Fhcanc01.xml ----------------------------------------------------- For more articles do a google news search using the words "cancer vaccine". I can't wait for the anti-vac wackos to start their lies. r "john" wrote in message om... some of these propaganda merchants really try hard to insult ones intelligence, but seeing how stupid and uninformed most people willingly are it must be tempting to see how far you can push it. it is a bit much to have a go at your own outlets of propaganda Yeah, I know what you mean. There is one stupid guy who has this web site called whale to. He puts the most stupid stuff on it. Sadly, there are people who believe his crap. john "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD Rimland is another example. Funny thing is that when experts examine the video tapes Rimland talks about (of supposedly normal behavior), they are able to see some signs that the kids are not normal. They don't seen these signs in kids who don't develop autism nearly as often. And they look at the videos without knowing if the kids turn out normal or not. Rimland should also know that epidemiological studies show that there is no increase in autism in kids who got the vaccine compared to those who didn't. And some studies even find lower rates of autism amoungst kids who got the vaccine. And Rimland should also know that the CSF does not have many brain cells (neurons) in it and that the digestive tract is not part of the brain. I feel sorry for the people who listen to people like Rimland and who waste their efforts on the beleif that autism is caused by vaccines when studies have repeatedly shown this is very unlikely, at best. Instead, I wish they would work on things that do make a difference, like finding the real causes of autism and getting proper help for the people affected by autism. Jeff "Markasurus Probertasaurus" wrote in message .net... Wed 15 Oct 2003 http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391 11:21am (UK) Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics By Chris Moncrieff, PA News People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen Ladyman said today. And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling science". Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories or the 'breakthrough imminent' type. "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of scientific reports." He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the reasons why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR. "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who would much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the real evidence." Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in this country than in other countries that use MMR. He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is a certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR. It was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as an opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government. "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that. "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted serious damage on many people in our community." He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be ashamed of themselves." Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and therefore increased bed blocking. He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody has put to me." -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
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October 23rd 03, 10:08 PM
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I just read an article in a recent Economist magazine that mentioned
off-handedly that 26% of the HIV positive children had HIV negative mothers. The article was about how poor the health care system is in Africa and how important it is to bring your OWN needles if you are travelling there. MMR definitely kills if you use an infected needle to give the dose. Wendy, still stunned
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