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Alice wrote:
I'm always reffering to post -conception , so when "the 18th" I mean 18 days after the day I had sex... The day you had sex isn't necessarily the day you conceived. Sperm can live for something like 4 days -- conception only happens when you ovulate and the sperm get to the egg. In addition, there's some variation in how long it takes the fertilized egg/embryo to implant. If implantation happens later, the placenta develops later, meaning more days between conception and when the embryo/fetus is actually connected to your blood stream. Emily |
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Emily wrote: Alice wrote: I'm always reffering to post -conception , so when "the 18th" I mean 18 days after the day I had sex... The day you had sex isn't necessarily the day you conceived. Sperm can live for something like 4 days -- conception only happens when you ovulate and the sperm get to the egg. In addition, there's some variation in how long it takes the fertilized egg/embryo to implant. If implantation happens later, the placenta develops later, meaning more days between conception and when the embryo/fetus is actually connected to your blood stream. Emily Exactly. I know for a fact that I conceived 2 days after sex. Based on how long it took to get a positive test result, I hazard that implantation was on the late side. I didn't test positive until 19 days after ovulation, so 20 days after sex. Some people (rarely) can conceive up to 5 days after having sex, if the environment is right. Melania Mom to Joffre (Jan 11, 2003) and #2 (edd May 21, 2005) |
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"Elle" wrote in message roups.com...
I'm not sure if there is anything anyone can say to set your mind at ease about this issue. First of all how sure are you that you found out 22 days after conception? Were you charting your ovulation or going by when you had sex? That can make a difference. Really unless you are understating your drinking habits I just don't think you have anything to worry about on the FAS/FAE front. Here's why: What really worries me is that I had three drinking episodes. I had 4 glasses of wine on the 14th day of pregnancy, 4 glasses on the 17th, and another three glasses on the 18th, i.e. all within this 'critical period". In all three instances Iconsumed those drinks while dinning. No more Alcohol after I found out. This is so early in the time frames that were mentioned in your original points, I would say they are barely on the fringe of the critical period. I'm no biologist but my understanding is that alcohol does of course cross the placenta from the mother's blood stream (as do many other things), but not until about the end of the third week (so 21 days) at the very earliest. This is when blood vessels form within the core of the villi -- the embryo's heart starts to beat around the same time so each villius has embryonic blood circulating within it and maternal blood circulating outside it. This is the beginning of the placental function. Until then the embryo is sustained by the yolk sac. So I guess that all that matters is whether there is a relatively dangerous toxic blood level at the time and/or after the placenta begins functioning. But what about the period after implantation and before the placenta is formed (by the way, some sources mention that the placenta is formed by day 18)? Could one assume that the the all or nothing principle" applies there as well, so this is the reason that the critical period is from day 17 to 56? regards, Alice |
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Melania wrote:
Emily wrote: Alice wrote: I'm always reffering to post -conception , so when "the 18th" I mean 18 days after the day I had sex... The day you had sex isn't necessarily the day you conceived. Sperm can live for something like 4 days -- conception only happens when you ovulate and the sperm get to the egg. In addition, there's some variation in how long it takes the fertilized egg/embryo to implant. If implantation happens later, the placenta develops later, meaning more days between conception and when the embryo/fetus is actually connected to your blood stream. Exactly. I know for a fact that I conceived 2 days after sex. It is, in fact, my understanding that if you wait *until* the day you ovulate to have sex, you are very unlikely to get pregnant. An egg that is already present in the fallopian tubes *before* the sperm arrives is usually too old to be fetilized. This implies that conception almost never occurs "on the day" you have sex. -- Be well, Barbara |
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Alice wrote: So I guess that all that matters is whether there is a relatively dangerous toxic blood level at the time and/or after the placenta begins functioning. But what about the period after implantation and before the placenta is formed (by the way, some sources mention that the placenta is formed by day 18)? Could one assume that the the all or nothing principle" applies there as well, so this is the reason that the critical period is from day 17 to 56? Will it make you feel better if someone says, "Yes, Alice, you did irrepairable harm to your baby. It will most certainly be born with FAS,"? I mean, the only reason I can imagine that someone would continue to worry about it after countless messages saying, "Everything's probably fine, you're doing more harm worrying about it..." is if the person asking the question was looking for an excuse to have an abortion or something. What's your agenda, really? If it is to terminate the pregnancy, last time I checked that was still legal (at least in the U.S.), so be a grown up and do it because that's what you think is best, not because "I drank so I have to or the baby will be born sick." If you really are concerned, how many different ways can we say, "Everything's probably fine,"? What are you trying to accomplish by beating the dead horse, so to speak? At this point, I think you need to go speak to a doctor. Take your calendar and your charts and your journal articles and the dates and times that you drank, including the vintage of the wine and whether you had it with beef, chicken, or fish, and talk to a trained and qualified medical professional. There is nothing left for us to say - everyone has said, "Things are probably fine," backed up by a wide variety of evidence. If you don't believe the 15 posts in this thread, and the 111 posts in the other thread that you started, I don't know what you're going to believe. I will say it one more time: While no safe level of alcohol has been determined for pregnant women, by all counts, your level is below that which is generally regarded as safe. Again, you would be MUCH better off if you forgave yourself and focused on what you CAN do now to affect the outcome of your pregnancy - take your prenatals, eat right, get moderate sensible exercise, avoid stress, get enough rest, don't deliver on your back because Todd will come beat you over the head with a posterboard sign that says "30%!!!!" etc. etc. etc. It strikes me as extremely neurotic that you continue to invest so much energy into this one, tiny, statistically insignificant detail of what will be a very, very long pregnancy if you don't knock it off. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Sincerely, Amy |
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Alice wrote:
So I guess that all that matters is whether there is a relatively dangerous toxic blood level at the time and/or after the placenta begins functioning. But what about the period after implantation and before the placenta is formed (by the way, some sources mention that the placenta is formed by day 18)? Could one assume that the the all or nothing principle" applies there as well, so this is the reason that the critical period is from day 17 to 56? I'd say the "critical period" is still irrelevant. Even if you had your drinks in the period when alcohol can cross the the fetus, you did not have THREE DRINKS PER DAY EVERY DAY during that time. THAT is what increases your risk of FAS/FAE. The information you quoted in your first post to this thread clearly states that *occasional* drinking during this period does not increase risk. Three or four drinks in a day three times is "occasional drinking". Stop beating yourself up over this and relax. -- Be well, Barbara |
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wrote in message oups.com... Mamma Mia wrote: wrote in message Amy (whose Mom rocks) good to hear of a mum that rocks. So many people's mums around here anti-rock! go amy's MOM! Uh oh, now you've got me started... My mom is the only person I know who can start with a sheep and end up with something useful. She could shear it, clean the wool, dye it, spin it, and knit, crochet, or weave it into a blanket, a scarf, a sweater, or probably one of each, all in matching colors. She has everything she needs to do this except the sheep (it's easier to buy the wool than try to keep them in her yard in the city. She keeps mini daschunds instead! ) We had a garden growing up, and she grew fresh fruits (apples, raspberries, strawberries, probably others) and veggies (hordes of tomatoes and zucchini, pumpkins, cucumber, beans, etc.) when we were kids. She had a rose garden with over 70 different roses (all of this in town, remember!). She managed to maintain these, raise three kids as a single mom, and work. Woah. Every summer and fall she'd can what was cannable, so that we had home grown food all winter. She's the only person I know who would survive the trip west in a Conestoga wagon, the way they did it a couple hundred years ago. We always had homemade Halloween costumes. One year she got the three of us and three of our friends to be a caterpillar - she made a huge paper mache head using a 3 foot beach ball as the mold, and used fabric sewn in a tube, held in shape with hula hoops, for the body. We couldn't fit on most peoples' porches, but most of the neighborhood still remembers it. Another year, I was a Hershey kiss, with a brown body (stuffed with a sleeping bag) and foil all around me, I even had a hat. I don't think she even used a pattern. She is the most creative person I have ever known in my life. When she and my step-dad were dating, it was a lot of hassle and expense to take three kids (I think we were 13, 10, and 8) out for dinner, so we'd have "food on the floor" nights, where we'd sit at the coffee table (it was a sawed-off dining table, so it was huge) on the floor and eat ethnic food. She'd decorate in the theme of the country the food was from - so if it was Greek food it was a blue and white tablecloth and centerpiece, and she'd wrap us in sheets (for "togas") and put wreaths of grape vine (probably ivy) around our heads. For Mexican, she would use this bright, multicolored fabric, put on the Spanish radio station, and make someone wear a sombrero. We always laughed so hard and had so much fun - it's a wonder no one choked. I am absolutely convinced that there is nothing that my mom can't do. She now owns a ballroom where she does weddings and events, that has a shop connected to it where she sells everything you need for a wedding except the dresses. They do about 100 - 150 weddings a year. She started off as a wedding coordinator, then started the shop, then pulled it all together with the "all in one" building. She is wildly successful, and is absolutely the most generous and wonderful hostess to everyone who walks through the door. I couldn't be more proud of her. Oh, not to mention the fact that she taught me wonderful values, loved me unconditionally growing up and beyond, and has always been supportive and protective of me and of my siblings, while still allowing us to make our own mistakes and learn our own lessons. She gave us roots and wings. She fostered loving, close relationships between my brother and sister and I. I am so blessed. I don't know anyone else who has a mother like mine. Ok, I'll stop... Amy good for you and your sibs amy. c |
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That's cool, Amy. I adore my mom, and we gave a great relationship. She's
my best friend, confidant, therapist, and best cheerleader. It's good to hear other people have good relationships with their moms too! -- Jamie Earth Angels: Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03 -- Little Miss Manners, who says, "No skank you" and "Tank you very much, momma." Addison Grace, 9/30/04 -- The Prodigy, who can now roll over, and pull herself to standing while holding onto someone's fingers! Check out the family! -- www.MyFamily.com, User ID: Clarkguest1, Password: Guest Become a member for free - go to Add Member to set up your own User ID and Password |
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Thank you all for your valuable comments and information, I really
feel relaxed now. I'm sorry If i "sounded" a bit "neurotic", this is because I was really worried. Regards, Alice |
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