NHS Trust suspends cervical cancer vaccinations after girl, 14, dies within hours of jab

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:31:56 +0200, Happy Oyster
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:18:32 +0100, Peter Parry wrote:

That he is usually wrong is undeniable and like Don Quixote he tilts
at windmills with no real chance of victory. However, he believes in
what he does, puts huge effort into it and deserves some respect for
that.

What if he would thow children down a tower, just because he think that would be
good for them?

I rather doubt he would.

His beliefs, or his insanity, IN NO WAY are an excuse for what he does. His
victims, like in the case of unvaccinated children, may die. Some, perhaps
already have permanent damage or even are dead.

I don't think that many people take much notice of him. However,
assuming they do, then his beliefs should be countered rationally,
objectively and with civility. If your arguments are correct they
should stand on their own merits and not rely upon demeaning him. You
should explain the error of his statements (which isn't usually
difficult) not attack him. By personalising the argument you
diminish your own position.

Do you remember the AUM sect in Japan, which killed in subway stations? They
were driven to do this by their beliefs.

All belief systems are irrational, his belief in extra terrestrial
intelligence is far less harmful than those of any major religion.

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:57:12 +0100, Peter Parry wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:31:56 +0200, Happy Oyster
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:18:32 +0100, Peter Parry wrote:

That he is usually wrong is undeniable and like Don Quixote he tilts
at windmills with no real chance of victory. However, he believes in
what he does, puts huge effort into it and deserves some respect for
that.

What if he would thow children down a tower, just because he think that would be
good for them?

I rather doubt he would.

His beliefs, or his insanity, IN NO WAY are an excuse for what he does. His
victims, like in the case of unvaccinated children, may die. Some, perhaps
already have permanent damage or even are dead.

I don't think that many people take much notice of him. However,
assuming they do, then his beliefs should be countered rationally,
objectively and with civility. If your arguments are correct they
should stand on their own merits and not rely upon demeaning him. You
should explain the error of his statements (which isn't usually
difficult) not attack him. By personalising the argument you
diminish your own position.

Do you remember the AUM sect in Japan, which killed in subway stations? They
were driven to do this by their beliefs.

All belief systems are irrational, his belief in extra terrestrial
intelligence is far less harmful than those of any major religion.


That is plain nonsense, and you do know it.
--
Altenpflege

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_korr.htm

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:34:17 +0200, Happy Oyster
wrote:


Well, well,... Look at what John Scudamore, the pigfarmer did:

Firstly, I realise you think pigfarming is a lowly demeaning occupation and
pigs lowly animals, hence your use of the term, but I don't 'farm' pigs. My
wife (not me) breeds pigs for pets, not for meat. I don't condone factory
farming of pigs, but I see no harm in breeding pigs for meat if they are
treated properly, although I hope it will die out sometime in the future.

Pigs have had a bad press, I find them delightful creatures to have
wandering about the garden and farmyard, not barking at anyone, without
smelly droppings like dogs, not wandering off to hunt like dogs, and
bringing great joy to numerous kids and adults who love them as pets, as
well as their useful food processing ability, among other gifts we are only
learning about.


Apparently he is a good farmer with contented pigs and that is an
honourable livelihood. That he also believes in odd phenomena makes
him no different from others who believe in various gods, the only
difference being that he hasn't yet got the financial backing for his
beliefs that various religions have for their equally unhinged ideas.

He also cares about his fellow man and in the past has traveled miles
with no thought of reward to scatter his crystal devices when he
thought they would help a particular problem in a community.

His ideas might be daft; he appears to be extraordinarily gullible and
he doesn't understand mathematics and statistics but he puts an
inordinate amount of effort into his beliefs. Unlike many of his
fellow travelers he also usually remains fairly civil (although that
has slipped a bit of late).

That he is usually wrong is undeniable and like Don Quixote he tilts
at windmills with no real chance of victory. However, he believes in
what he does, puts huge effort into it and deserves some respect for
that.

Thanks. Believe in miracles and they tend to come true. You are to be
commended in your attitude. Wish it was more prevalent.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:36:17 +0100, "john" wrote:

So the 78 Gardasil deaths were all due to undiagnosed terminal
conditions?

I don't know if you have actually read any of the 78 reports but quite
a few don't report death as the outcome so your figure of 78 does not
seem to be correct. Of those that do, it seems rather improbable
that Gardasil had anything to do with many of them (unless you follow
the creed of that daft New Zealand "risk analyst" who believed that
the death of someone as a passenger in a fatal road accident should be
attributed to the vaccination the passenger had received a week
earlier).

For example, a few taken randomly :-

"diabetic ketoacidosis, History of severe diabetes mellitus"

"pulmonary thromboembolus w/deep vein thrombosis of right leg &
obesity as contributing factor."

"for the past five years the patient had prolonged QT syndrome, and
proguda syndrome "

"arrhythmia due to cardiomyopathy....obesity, pulmonary edema, mild &
left ventricular hypertrophy w/myocardial nuclear enlargement."

"Necrotizing Fasciitis (Gram (+)) with septic shock."

"Mother believes child [who was well] will die from the HPV ("the
girls shot") due to information she gathered from her Internet "

"Toxicology survey findings:urine positive for methadone,
benzodiazepines, benzoylecgonine (from cocaine), cannabinoids,
nicotine, diphenhydramine and naproxen."

and rather oddly, one of the 78 is :-

"physician, who was told by one of his patients, that the mother of a
consumer was told by a neurologist that there were 4,400 kids who have
died following vaccination with GARDASIL."