how long to try "cold turkey" potty training

Cotton training pants don't catch all of the urine, allowing a cold
and uncomfortable wetness to prompt a run to the potty. They can help.
Cotton training pants are just like cotton panties, just thicker with
a padded crotch area. Nothing like disposables.

which kind of defeats the point if you ask me, I see training pants as a
way of not getting puddles on the floor, but I found with DS that unless
he had on thin shorts his clothes would catch everything anyway, so of
course you had to change clothes and it sounds like you would with
training pants too. Donna mentioned that being thicker they are harder
for the child to get up and down, so it seems to me like an expensive
way to slightly reduce the risk of getting something on the floor in an
inconvenient place.

I'm also not sure that a trickle of urine is uncomfortable, it would be
if you were in a cold place, but it comes out at body temperature and
it's hot at the moment, so it's probably pretty pleasant - particularly
for a child who doesn't have any ick associations with it.

Cheers
Anne

DH wants me to
let him run around naked, but I'm not enthusiastic since I'm the one
who has to clean up. :P

I had this with DS, he demanded that he was going to use the potty at
26mths, at the time DD was 8 weeks old and you might recall I had a
pretty rough time physically after her birth, so I was really not happy
about it, but had no choice, but it was exactly what he needed, he had
many accidents the first day, then was fine, and for me, though taking
him to the toilet was more fuss, it was less physical than nappy
changing so it turned out to be a good thing.

Cheers
Anne

On Jul 11, 2:25?pm, Anne Rogers wrote:
Cotton training pants don't catch all of the urine, allowing a cold
and uncomfortable wetness to prompt a run to the potty. They can help.
Cotton training pants are just like cotton panties, just thicker with
a padded crotch area. Nothing like disposables.

which kind of defeats the point if you ask me, I see training pants as a
way of not getting puddles on the floor, but I found with DS that unless
he had on thin shorts his clothes would catch everything anyway, so of
course you had to change clothes and it sounds like you would with
training pants too. Donna mentioned that being thicker they are harder
for the child to get up and down, so it seems to me like an expensive
way to slightly reduce the risk of getting something on the floor in an
inconvenient place.

I'm also not sure that a trickle of urine is uncomfortable, it would be
if you were in a cold place, but it comes out at body temperature and
it's hot at the moment, so it's probably pretty pleasant - particularly
for a child who doesn't have any ick associations with it.

Cheers
Anne

You should probably give a pair a try before commenting on them I
suppose. Unless they've changed how they've made them in the last 4
years since I've used them, they were only slightly thicker down the
middle and not the sides and caused no issues for pulling up or down.
I'm also not advertising for them. I liked them and had no problems or
issues with them. They limited the amount of the mess on the floor for
certain compared to the messes that occur in regular cotton underwear.
The children didn't like standing in puddles and they didn't like it
running down their legs nor standing in wet socks. My children were
told they were big kid undies because they were soft and cotton and
could be pulled up and down easily. A two-year-old is going to have
less success at maneuvering anything up and down from their bottoms
IMO anyway. Don't use them. Heck, i don't care. The reasoning is
baffling to me however. lol. Urine doesn't remain at body temperature
unless it is held up agianst the body and the temp changes from warm
to cold within seconds. I personally no more wanted my children
messing on my carpet than I did the dog - it is all gross and
destructive and hard to clean - no matter the amount - so I personally
went with what got the fastest results. They also stand up to
bleaching in the laundry much better than regular undewear.

On Jul 11, 9:04?am, "JennP." wrote:
On Jul 10, 9:58 pm, Chris wrote:





On Jul 10, 8:04?pm, Anne Rogers wrote:

DS was so easy to potty train, I feel completely uneducated, he
announced at 26mths that he was going to use the potty, failed miserably
for the day and was then very successful and our biggest problem was the
fact he was so independent he'd want to clean the potty out into the
toilet and we had a few poo on the walls incidents.

DD being a 2nd child has had potties around her much more and so has
from time to time sat on one and has recently been demanding to be taken
to the big toilet and fighting having a nappy put on, but was never
successful and we always put the nappy on, but on Saturday morning, she
was successful, so being fearful of her getting to an age where it seems
to become a power struggle (I've seen threads on this subject so many
times, I'm probably over anxious), that we decided to jump right in.
I've mostly had her completely naked, or with just a top on and results
have been mixed, though more on the accident side than the success side
:-(. There are positive signs though, she has been dry at nap time
several times and was even dry overnight last night, this morning, she
started to dribble and was able to stop whilst I moved her to the potty,
but there are plenty of failures too and I don't know whether to just
say she's not ready and go back to nappies, or whether having these
accidents is just part of the process of her learning what her body does
and that I should at least give it more time even if we ultimately give up.

She's 25mths and usually wears real nappies.

Any ideas how long I should give it before being confident that she just
isn't ready?

Cheers
Anne

Personally, I would wait until she was dry more often during the
night, which is a good indicator of self-control.

I completely disagree with this. Night-time dryness is a completely
different thing than day training. Their body has to rely completely
on physiology while day-training takes more personal awareness. What
about all the kids who have bed-wetting problems well into their
school-age years?IMO, It's certainly not a good indicator of
readiness.

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It isn't "completely" physiology. There is awareness involved in
nighttime training as well. Waking in response to a full bladder and
at the start of urination during sleep is also a learned behavior.
Many children have bed-wetting problems, as I've seen within my own
family; however, you don't know if you have one of the children who
are going to have that chronic issue or not until it becomes obvious
nighttime training hasn't taken, and most people don't start worrying
about that until the age of 4 or 5. It is a good indicator of self-
control, especially if they are able to wake and use the potty on
their own. If they are already waking dry on a consistent basis at the
age of 2, chances are you have a child that will not be encountering
that issue.

On Jul 11, 2:16?pm, Anne Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
It happens to be the main thing to look for cited by my pediatrician
as a good first indicator. Considering if a child is definitely able
to hold their urine overnight for 8 hours and more, you can be almost
absolutely certain they can hold it for 3 hours here and there
throughout the day as well. Also, taking into consideration the
average child doesn't have nighttime wetting accidents for that length
of time, no that wouldn't be the case in your child's case and
therefore not a good indicator of daytime readiness. The problem in
that case is more so the duration of time sleeping, soundness of
sleep, growth rates of the organs and child, etc. It can be a good
indicator within reason and IS a good indicator that the child has in
fact established bladder control considering the duration differences
from night to day -- it is just something to look for.

your paediatrician may need some reeducation, I discovered a toddler
book on the shelf last night and here are some figures it provided,

average age for staying dry in the daytime 32.5mnths for girls, 35mths
for boys, compared to 30% of 4yr olds being wet at night and 10% of 6yr olds

Being dry for several hours whilst awake is not the same as being dry
for several hours whilst asleep.

Anne

I have no idea what your point is on those stats. 70% of 4's are dry
during the night and 90% of 6's are dry during the night. Average age
is 2 yrs. 8 months for girls during daytime and almost 3 for boys.
This in no way indicates that the 2 1/2 year olds aren't included in
the nighttime dry kids at the age of 4 or 6. ???

I have no idea what your point is on those stats. 70% of 4's are dry
during the night and 90% of 6's are dry during the night. Average age
is 2 yrs. 8 months for girls during daytime and almost 3 for boys.
This in no way indicates that the 2 1/2 year olds aren't included in
the nighttime dry kids at the age of 4 or 6. ???

no, but it's a vastly smaller number, indicating that you shouldn't be
waiting for night time dryness as a sign of readiness for daytime
training, it's so unlikely to happen that way round, but you seem to
have indicated that wasn't what you meant, but that if there was night
time dryness you'd see it as a good sign.

Anne

Chris wrote:

It happens to be the main thing to look for cited by my pediatrician
as a good first indicator.

If a child is dry overnight, that is a good
indicator. But, not being dry does not mean
she is not ready for potty training.

Pillbug would wet *through* his Goodnites
diapers (which hold a LOT) by morning. Almost
to the day that we even started toilet
training, he never wet overnight again.

-- Anita --

On Jul 11, 4:05?pm, Anne Rogers wrote:
I have no idea what your point is on those stats. 70% of 4's are dry
during the night and 90% of 6's are dry during the night. Average age
is 2 yrs. 8 months for girls during daytime and almost 3 for boys.
This in no way indicates that the 2 1/2 year olds aren't included in
the nighttime dry kids at the age of 4 or 6. ???

no, but it's a vastly smaller number, indicating that you shouldn't be
waiting for night time dryness as a sign of readiness for daytime
training, it's so unlikely to happen that way round, but you seem to
have indicated that wasn't what you meant, but that if there was night
time dryness you'd see it as a good sign.

Anne

The numbers aren't relative though is what I am saying and are applied
to night and day. 70% of 4s and 90% of 6's are also "the majority" at
night. You didn't give any percentages for what "the majority" of
daytime dryess is in the 2 1/2 and 3s. I'm glad you can see that
wasn't what I meant too, but I was trying to understand these stats
sincerely in relation to what you perceived I was saying
originally.lol.