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The big measles lie
"It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. (Feb 3, 2010 Fox News) http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/w...k-blaxill.html http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! |
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The big measles lie
john wrote:
"It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. (Feb 3, 2010 Fox News) http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/w...k-blaxill.html http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! So some children are still dying from measles. And, some children are also have life-problems from measles encephalopathy, like hearing loss. And that's ok with you. Got it. |
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The big measles lie
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:45:48 -0000, "john" wrote:
http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! As usual you torture figures to suit your preconceptions. There were two factors which influenced infectious disease decline. Social (including better hygiene, living and nutrition) and vaccination. Prior to the two World Wars the former were the predominant influence on most infectious diseases. However, after the end of the war the rate of decline slowed and, in the case of measles, by 1954 had stopped and for the next 12 years remained steady at about 75 deaths per year. The next decline only took place after the introduction of measles vaccination and between 1968 and 1989 dropped to about 1-3. Since then it has stayed at that level. |
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The big measles lie
"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... john wrote: "It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. (Feb 3, 2010 Fox News) http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/w...k-blaxill.html http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! So some children are still dying from measles. And, some children are also have life-problems from measles encephalopathy, like hearing loss. And that's ok with you. Got it. use vitamin C if you actually cared about that http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html and arren't we forgetting about vaccine derived encephalopathy? http://www.whale.to/vaccines/encephalomyelitis.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm "Dr. Levy shows that many viral diseases such as polio, hepatitis, and encephalitis have been consistently cured by high doses of vitamin C given intravenously.....outlines the evidence that many potent toxins are completely neutralized by a prompt and vigorous dosing of vitamin C, even though current medicine offers little or no other effective treatments for them. Dr. Levy cites literature that shows vitamin C can completely reverse and clinically cure advanced poisonings from agents such as tetanus toxin, mushroom toxin, barbiturates, snakebite venom, and heavy metals like lead, to name only a few. Because of this toxin-neutralizing ability, Dr. Levy further notes that the scientific evidence supports vitamin C as being an ideal agent for treating many of the infectious diseases that also produce very potent toxins, such as diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (whooping cough)."---Book review 2002 "Six cases of virus encephalitis were treated and cured with vitamin C injections. Two cases were associated with virus pneumonia; one followed chickenpox, one mumps, one measles and one a combination of measles and mumps. In the case that followed the measles-mumps complex, definite evidence was found to confirm the belief that massive, frequent injections are necessary in treating virus infections with vitamin C............A lad of 12 years had generalized headache a week after having mumps, this followed by malaise, and in 12 hours a lethargic state and a fever of 105°. Admitted to hospital he was given 2000 mg. of vitamin C then, and 1000 mg. every two hours. Following the third injection he. was sitting up in bed, laughing, talking, begging for food and completely without pain........Of mumps, 33 cases were treated with ascorbic acid. When vitamin C was given at the peak of the infection the fever was gone within 24 hours, the pain within 36 hours, the swelling in 48 to 72 hours. Two cases were complicated with orchitis. A young man of 23 years developed bilateral orchitis one Friday morning, by seven o'clock that night he was in severe pain, had a fever of 105° and was nursing testicles the size of tennis balls. Vitamin C was started at this time - 1000 mg. every two hours, intravenously. The pain began to subside following the first injection and ceased in 12 hours. There was no fever after 36 hours. The patient was out of bed feeling his old self after 60 hours...........A second boy, aged 11, was allowed to develop mumps to the point of maximum swelling without any therapy, then given vitamin C, 1000 mg. intramuscularly, every two to four hours. This lad was entirely well in 48 hours."--Dr Klenner The Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C Fred R. Klenner, M.D. 1949 as for hearing loss [March 2007] PARENTS FIGHT TO PROVE GIRL LEFT DEAF BY MMR VACCINE http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deafness.htm |
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The big measles lie
"Peter Parry" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:45:48 -0000, "john" wrote: http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! As usual you torture figures to suit your preconceptions. There were two factors which influenced infectious disease decline. Social (including better hygiene, living and nutrition) and vaccination. so you agree with me that that was a lie, as he said it was only vaccination. "It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. Prior to the two World Wars the former were the predominant influence on most infectious diseases. However, after the end of the war the rate of decline slowed and, in the case of measles, by 1954 had stopped and for the next 12 years remained steady at about 75 deaths per year. The next decline only took place after the introduction of measles vaccination and between 1968 and 1989 dropped to about 1-3. Since then it has stayed at that level. I know the stats, have a look at the graph http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html as you seem to be deluded about the part vaccination played |
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The big measles lie
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:30:05 -0000, "john" wrote:
"Peter Parry" wrote so you agree with me that that was a lie, as he said it was only vaccination. "It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. He appears to have said nothing of the sort. Having improved public health to a point where further health returns (for infectious diseases) were no longer happening the later improvement is clearly down to vaccination as the figures you kindly provided show. There is nothing in his statement which is either untrue or inconsistent with that fact. The next decline only took place after the introduction of measles vaccination and between 1968 and 1989 dropped to about 1-3. Since then it has stayed at that level. I know the stats, have a look at the graph The graph and figures you derived it from clearly supports what I have said. It is not my fault you have chosen a scale which hides the effect you don't want people to see. |
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The big measles lie
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Peter Parry wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:30:05 -0000, "john" wrote: "Peter Parry" wrote so you agree with me that that was a lie, as he said it was only vaccination. "It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. He appears to have said nothing of the sort. Having improved public health to a point where further health returns (for infectious diseases) were no longer happening the later improvement is clearly down to vaccination as the figures you kindly provided show. There is nothing in his statement which is either untrue or inconsistent with that fact. Peter, the main reason measles *deaths* plummeted after WWII was the availability of antibiotics to treat pneumonia, a common complication of measles. The rate of measles encephalitis wasn't affected, so most of the deaths were then due to this complication, as were the many cases of brain damage resulting in blindness, etc. IIRC, before the measles vaccine, measles encephalitis was the most common cause of blindness in children. John likes to distort statistics by focusing on deaths rather than incidence. Better supportive care (e.g. iron lungs for polio) and antibiotics can reduce the *death* rate but not the incidence of a disease. Death isn't the only undesirable outcome. |
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The big measles lie
"Peter Parry" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:30:05 -0000, "john" wrote: "Peter Parry" wrote so you agree with me that that was a lie, as he said it was only vaccination. "It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. He appears to have said nothing of the sort. he did actually, look at the video. You can't see the truth as it would bust your pharma reality |
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The big measles lie
wrote in message .. . Peter, the main reason measles *deaths* plummeted after WWII was the availability of antibiotics to treat pneumonia, a common complication of measles. The rate of measles encephalitis wasn't affected, so most of the deaths were then due to this complication, as were the many cases of brain damage resulting in blindness, etc. IIRC, before the measles vaccine, measles encephalitis was the most common cause of blindness in children. John likes to distort statistics by focusing on deaths rather than incidence. Better supportive care (e.g. iron lungs for polio) and antibiotics can reduce the *death* rate but not the incidence of a disease. Death isn't the only undesirable outcome. I focus on deaths as that is the only statistic required to be kept by law, all the otehr ones, incidence etc can be manipulated to suit, and were, now measles has to be diagnosed by lab and deaths would be tied to morbidity I would have thought they concentrate on incidence as they control reporting on that, and the only reason anyone cared about incidence was due to the death rate and anyway, naturopaths in 1860 never lost a case of measles also 50% plus deaths were due to chemotherapy these quotes show the real story http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html either way, as you say, vaccination played a minute part at best (in reality nil), contrary to what parents are sold, as this propagndist said--100% |
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The big measles lie
john wrote:
"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... john wrote: "It (measles) is ONLY not a big killer in the United States because of the MMR vaccine."---Dr Marc Siegal. (Feb 3, 2010 Fox News) http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/w...k-blaxill.html http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! So some children are still dying from measles. And, some children are also have life-problems from measles encephalopathy, like hearing loss. And that's ok with you. Got it. use vitamin C if you actually cared about that http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html and arren't we forgetting about vaccine derived encephalopathy? http://www.whale.to/vaccines/encephalomyelitis.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm "Dr. Levy shows that many viral diseases such as polio, hepatitis, and encephalitis have been consistently cured by high doses of vitamin C given intravenously And this work was published in what journals? Jeff |
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