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Old March 24th 10, 11:36 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
john[_5_]
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http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf

Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North
America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening
infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance
of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This
provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the
effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases
Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate
that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for
protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often
inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually
worsen health-care outcomes.


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Old March 25th 10, 02:50 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
Steven Bornfeld[_2_]
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john wrote:
http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf

Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North
America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening
infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance
of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This
provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the
effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases
Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate
that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for
protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often
inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually
worsen health-care outcomes.




http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/
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Old March 25th 10, 08:58 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
Happy Oyster
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:49:22 -0000, "john" wrote:

http://whale.to/vaccines/measles.html



So what?

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Old March 25th 10, 09:49 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
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http://whale.to/vaccines/measles.html


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Old March 26th 10, 03:16 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
Mike[_8_]
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Steven Bornfeld wrote:
john wrote:
http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf


Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in
North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in
life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either
without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific
diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines
are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of
infectious diseases
Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically
illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and
foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease
conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some
cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes.



http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/


So?

The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased
well before the vaccinations. It stands.

Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years
before the vaccinations.
In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths
In 1979-1988 - 140
In 1989-1998 - 10

So far, so good. But it 1933, there were 44 deaths in the FIRST 10 WEEKS
in New York City ALONE.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...747256,00.html

There are also graphs at http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
and
http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/...cure-or-cause/

We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was
about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases.
Per year, not per 10 years.

That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968,
without vaccinations.

Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths
in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations.
Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no.
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Old March 26th 10, 07:04 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
john[_5_]
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"Mike" wrote in message
Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no.


None of it, UK measles deaths declined 99.4% before vaccination in 1968.
Deaths are all down to Allopathy which suppresses the truth, mostly the
correct therapies, eg Vitamin C, naturopathy. Most deaths are due to
chemotherapy.

Then the MMR vaccine created a huge upsurge in autism on top of the mercury
DPT vaccines, along with bowel disease. Also death from MMR are way over
measles deaths.


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Old March 26th 10, 04:53 PM posted to misc.kids,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Beverly Erlebacher
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In article ,
Mike wrote:

The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased

^^^^^^^^^
well before the vaccinations. It stands.

Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years
before the vaccinations.
In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths
In 1979-1988 - 140
In 1989-1998 - 10


Note that you present no evidence of reduction of measles *incidence*,
only of measles *mortality*.

We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was
about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases.
Per year, not per 10 years.

That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968,
without vaccinations.


Almost all that reduction in *mortality* was due to the availability of
antibiotics after WWII, because the major cause of measles mortality
was bacterial pneumonia, which could not be effectively treated before
antibiotics. The next greatest cause of measles mortality, measles
encephalitis, was not affected. Only vaccination can prevent measles
encephalitis.

Before the vaccine, it was accepted that just about every child would
get measles. The *incidence* remained very high. I know -- I was
there.

Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths
in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations.


A reduction from 863 to 10 is almost 99%. A reduction from 292 to 10
is almost 97%. A reduction from 140 to 10 is about 93%. The measles
vaccine wasn't available to all children in the US, especially at first,
so the plummetting numbers of deaths reflect increased numbers of
children protected by vaccination, and hence measles encephalitis, the
main cause of measles deaths when effective medical care for bacterial
pneumonia is available.

Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no.


It's characteristic of medical denialists to distort statistics. Death
is not the only bad outcome of measles. One complication, measles
encephalitis, is still impossible to treat effectively. It can not only
cause death, but commonly causes permanent brain damage and blindness.
Before the vaccine, measles was the most common cause of blindness in
children.

By reducing the incidence of measles, ideally to zero, as is common in
more advanced countries than the US, vaccines prevent not only measles
deaths, but brain damage and blindness. And secondary pneumonia after
measles. And a lot of suffering by children, and those who love and
care for them.

Btw, I note that you leave out the figures for 1978 and for 1999-2008
above. I wonder why that is? I also wonder why deaths for the years
between 1933 and 1958 are not broken down in a way to show the effect
of the advent of antibiotics. But as part of the denialist agenda,
you wouldn't want to credit antibiotics with any benefits, would you?


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Old March 26th 10, 08:51 PM posted to misc.kids,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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"Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message
of the advent of antibiotics. But as part of the denialist agenda,
you wouldn't want to credit antibiotics with any benefits, would you?



"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between
1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles
occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr
Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. (Introduction to AIDS Time Bomb by John West)

if you vax denialists really cared about measles deaths you would be using
vitamin C, since 1949 http://whale.to/a/vit_c_cons.html


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Old March 26th 10, 08:57 PM posted to misc.kids,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
john[_5_]
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"Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message
.. .

Only vaccination can prevent measles
encephalitis.


********, cause it more like http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm

"What could be the cause of so much encephalitis in the US population? The
only possible cause is the childhood vaccination program. The pertussis and
measles vaccines are particularly dangerous, but all the vaccines have made
a certain contribution."--Harris Coulter

Before the vaccine, it was accepted that just about every child would
get measles. The *incidence* remained very high. I know -- I was
there.


So was I. See: http://whale.to/m/measles3.html



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Old March 26th 10, 09:10 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,sci.med
Happy Oyster
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:16:42 -0400, Mike wrote:

The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased
well before the vaccinations. It stands.


That is bull****. The number of infections is the key!

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(Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer)

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