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Excuse Me???? Researchers admit spanking behavior notrigorously tested
On 9 Jul 2003, Chris wrote:
LaVonne Carlson wrote:
: What you fail to realize is that most pediatricians are not experts in child
: development. Pediatricians are experts in child medicine. Spanking is not a
: virus and spanking is not a bacteria. Spanking is not a syndrome nor is it a
: medical condition. The vast majority of pediatricians are trained in child
: medicine, not in child development. These are individuals who treat children with
: medical conditions and who research medical issues. The exception is a
: developmental pediatrician.
This is correct. Parents often view their family pediatrician as
a kind of oracle with regard to all matters relating to parenting. But
pediatricians are child doctors by training. A pediatrician in training
who goes into his or her residency as a prospanker will likely come out a
prospanker and one who goes in as an antispanker will likely come out an
antispanker because there is little in the training of a pediatrician to
influence them to change their minds one way or the other.
LOL! Pediatricians are human being, they have experienced spanking
as children. Many are also parents, they deal with their kids just
as any other parents. Parents ARE THE REAL EXPERTS! Thus, many
pediatricians don't buy into the anti-spanking agenda, they have
seen the research and they know that the research are full of holes!
For what it is worth, though, the professional organization of
Pediatricians in the USA, the American Academy of Pediatrics, has
officially taken a stand against all forms of spanking since 1998, after
the publication of Straus et al. (1997) and Gunnoe & Mariner (1997).
Huh? So now they are experts???? :-) BTW, these two studies were already
presented at conferences on the issue of spanking way back in 1996. The
AAP reached the consensus in 1996 differently back then. The 1998
reversion was more of a political correct move - not based on any
two teams of researchers, each starting with quite different views on
spanking, both independently reached the same conclusions. The more the
children in each study were spanked at the outset of the study, the more
their age adjusted antisocial behavior scores were found to have increased
years later. The two papers were published side by side in a pediatrics
A complete lie. They reached opposite conclusions.
Pediatricians who favor spanking are hence taking a position at
odds with the position of their own professional organization.
So what? They showed that they can think for themselves instead of being
a sheep and blindly follow what is PC at the moment.
Chris likes to cite references hoping many don't read them. I read them
so Chris afraid to debate me! ;-) Here is why:
Gunnoe, M.L. & Mariner, C.L. 1997. "Toward a Developmental-Contextual
Model of the effects of Parental Spanking on Children's Aggression."
_Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine_ 151:768-775.
Title: Spanking and Children's Aggression...
[Abstract, August Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1997;151:768-775] (c) AMA 1997
Toward a Developmental-Contextual Model of the Effects of Parental Spanking on
(Marjorie Lindner Gunnoe, PhD; Carrie Lea Mariner, MA )
To challenge the application of an unqualified social learning model to the
study of spanking, positing instead a developmental-contextual model in which
the effects of spanking depend on the meaning children ascribe to spanking.
Population-based survey data from 1112 children aged 4 to 11 years in the
National Survey of Families and Households. Controlled for several family
and child factors including children's baseline aggression.
Main Outcome Measures:
Schoolyard fights and antisocial scores on the Behavior Problems Index at the
Structural equation modeling yielded main effects (P =.05, change in chi
square) of children's age and race; spanking predicted fewer fights for
children aged 4 to 7 years and for children who are black and more fights
for children aged 8 to 11 years and for children who are white. Regression
analyses within subgroups yielded no evidence that spanking fostered
aggression in children younger than 6 years and supported claims of increased
aggression for only 1 subgroup: 8- to 11-year-old white boys in single-mother
families (P =.05, F test).
For most children, claims that spanking teaches aggression seem unfounded.
Other preventive effects and harmful effects of spanking may occur depending
on the child and the family context. Further efforts to identify moderators of
the effects of spanking on children's adjustment are necessary.
(Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1997;151:768-775)
Straus, M.A.; Sugarman, D.B. and Giles-Sims, J. 1997. "Corporal
Punishment by Parents and Subsequent Anti-Social Behavior of Children"
_Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine_ 151(8):761-767.
The problen with this study is the "zero-group" contained children who
were spanked less than once a week (56% of the data!!!). Straus had to
"We are indebted to Larzelere et al for alerting us to the likelihood that our
no-spanking group includes occasional spankers. To the extent that this is
the case, the decrease in antisocial behavior that we found for children in
the "none" group may indicate an improvement in the behavior of children whose
parents spank, but do so only infrequently. Although that is a plausible
interpretation, data from another study enable us to investigate
this issue by classifying spanking as "never" or "not in the past 6 months,"
or the frequency of corporal punishment (CP) in the previous 6 months. "
 -This is the Straus & Mouradian (1998) study, which we now know
that non-cp alternatives showed even a stronger correlation to antisocial
behavior than spanking!