Keeping military recruiters away from your children in high school

-L. wrote:
BarbL wrote:
I am not here to defend or discuss my political opinion with
you. You can have your opinions, I don't care. I will defend
your right to have your own opinion. I will come to the
defense of the military people. You are trying to trun the
discussion into something it isn't, then saying if I won't
answer what you want, it must mean what you want it to. I
won't play that.

Then shut the **** up. All you have done is support this stupid war in
every post you've made, yet when enigma asks you to back up your
statements you chicken out like the chicken**** you are. ****ing
typical.


I have said nothing to defend the war - only to defend the
military members. In fact, they aren't the same thing.

You, on the other hand have only shown that you have a
filthy mouth and small mind. You aren't worth the bother.

Barb - Proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

BarbL wrote:

I have said nothing to defend the war - only to defend the
military members. In fact, they aren't the same thing.

Oh bull****. They *are* the war. They are the ones doing the killing.
Wake up and smell the bloodbath, Mummy.


You, on the other hand have only shown that you have a
filthy mouth and small mind. You aren't worth the bother.

Barb - Proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

I'd rather have a "filthy mouth" than be a war-mongering idiot and a
failure as a mother. What are your two other kids? And axe murderer
and a rapist?

-L.

In article , BarbL says...

enigma wrote:
BarbL aBarbL@comcastdotnet wrote in
:

And that's one of the good things of being a US citizen,
you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.

so... explain to me exactly why you think that we are in Iraq
& what possible good is going to come of it.
every time i ask this question of anyone it is ignored & left
unanswered. obviously, this leaves me to my own conclusions
about such defenders.
lee

I think you are having a problem because you are mixing
apples and oranges. You feel that people who defend the
military are pro-war, when they can be mutually exclusive.

I think you mean they're not necessarily in opposition. "Can be mutually
exclusive" would mean that someone in the military possibly *could not* support
the war.

Banty

BarbL aBarbL@comcastdotnet wrote:

enigma wrote:

in the notes when Bush took office were memos about alQueda,
about Afghanistan, & N.Korea. Bush, since foreign policy wasn't
his strong point, chose to ignore that.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. If you're saying you knew all
this beforehand, why didn't YOU do something about it?

It's easy to look at all the evidence now and say what they
should have done. It's easy to pass the buck.

What could I have done? I read convincing arguments that Sadam did NOT
have weapons of mass destruction . From the beginning I saw the war as a
huge mistake which could not be won. But who am I? Why should anyone
listen to me?

I think the same people who complain that nothing was done
beforehand are the same people who get bent every time we
have a "false alarm" now. As far as I know, mind-reading
isn't utilized, they can't tell which threats are the real
threats, and which won't pan out, let alone what the exact
dates.

apparently he's not too strong on internal policy either,
considering the Katrina & Rita debacles too.

Since USA isn't Socialist, I wonder why so much blame is
going so high up the ladder. What happened to personal
responsibility? What happened to the local governments that
failed to take care of their people? They're all too busy
waiting to be bailed out, and blaming.

I pretty much stopped caring about those "victims" when
reading an article in the usually left Newsweek - a welfare
family who lost their 4 bedroom house, that they got for
$250 a month, lamenting the loss of the big screen tv, and
the $2000 under the table money per weekend that the live-in
boyfriend would lose from not being able to perform in the
street bands... "that's why they call it the Big Easy" that
woman said. She wanted her big easy life back. The tiny
violin played for her and the loss of her cushy life.

The fact that one family is not worthy of help does not mean that there
were NO people who needed help. The people in the other Gulf states also
had their lives destroyed - New Orleans took the publicity and the money
away from them, as if there was nowhere else that was important.

I know people here in Michigan who lost benefits and money
because the hurricane victims who came up here got it, no
questions asked. The governor jumped to juggle the money in
their direction.

That's YOUR local politicians - why are you not complaining and doing
something about them.

Many people have given the hurricane victims (as well as the
scammers) all kinds of free things, no questions asked. Many
people have volunteered time and money and things to help
them rebuild. If it's not happening fast enough for you,
don't blame the President, get up and DO something positive.

All I'm seeing is name calling and complaining.

Barb - proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

grandma Rosalie - proud Navy wife to a retiree with 20, proud Air Force
mom, and proud mom to 3 others, and proud grandmom to 11.

"-L." wrote in message
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BarbL wrote:

I have said nothing to defend the war - only to defend the
military members. In fact, they aren't the same thing.

Oh bull****. They *are* the war. They are the ones doing the killing.
Wake up and smell the bloodbath, Mummy.


You, on the other hand have only shown that you have a
filthy mouth and small mind. You aren't worth the bother.

Barb - Proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

I'd rather have a "filthy mouth" than be a war-mongering idiot and a
failure as a mother. What are your two other kids? And axe murderer
and a rapist?

-L.



How to win friends and influence people.

"-L." wrote in message
ups.com...

BarbL wrote:
-L. wrote:
Jeff wrote:
For a lot of poor people, the military offers a chance to get out of
the
ghetto.

That's right. Bush and his cronies have no problem sending poor, black
kids to do their dirty work for them.

We have a total volunteer military. There is no draft.
Nobody is being sent to do the dirty work.

Keep telling yourself that until you actually believe it.


In addition, the military offers some a chance to go to college who
normally wouldn't get to go to college.

....if they don't come back in a body bag.

Hmm, and that's statistically unlikely to happen. In fact,
if you look at the numbers, in total we have lost less
military members that we lost in some previous wars

Oh, that's really great. So we have fewer DEAD kids. What about all
the dead and maimed innocents? Can you live with that too? Asshole.

. So,
this kind of reasoning is only a scare tactic used by the
ignorant (usually the Bush-bashers. Hmm)

Any death is one to many, asshole. This is a war about revenge and
oil. You want to waste away your son's lives over some stupid ****ing
war, go ahead. You'll be damn lucky if they don't come home in body
bags.



And the military can offer some
people structure.

For a lot of people, the military is a good career choice. I some
family
members who had an excellent experience in the military. But,
certainly, the
military isn't the right choice for everyone.

Especially if you value free thinking, creativity and your life...

Wow, another ignorant statement. Obviously you've had no
contact with any military members.

They are automatons who are told when and where to eat **** and sleep.
There is nothing honorable about being a drone.



Drop the propaganda, and pay attention.

Go **** yourself, asshole. I hate to explain it to you, but this war
is not popular. People hate the drones like your son. Swallow it.



Most people that I speak to don't like the war, indeed hate it. But I don't
know anyone who hates the service men and women. I think most people believe
that in this world a military is still necessary. It is too bad. But the
vast majority of people you are going to convince to sign up are young,
immature, impressionable people who believe the honor, duty, service
nonsense that are shovelled to them. How do you hate a youngster or someone
who is none too bright buying a load of crap? I feel bad for them.

That is not to say that the military is full of stupid people. But your
drones are mostly young and impressionable folks.

Perhaps some want to earn money for college. For some it can be a way to
escape the inevitable downward spiral toward jail.

The folks don't go into it thinking Gee I'd like to kill a bunch of Iraqis.
They have to get conditioned to be able to do that. I remember one woman I
knew in college who was in ROTC. I knew her when she started and I say her
every now and again over the years. It was amazing the difference in her.
She was conditioned. It was weird.

Anyway it is an evil machine. But I don't think the blame lies with the
majority of individual cogs.


BarbL - proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

And you suck as a mother, too, if all you could do is raise kids whose
best achievement in life was to become a drone in the miliatry.
That's my worst nightmare. I'd consider myself a failure, big time.

-L.

In article qL3_g.7758$IW6.4642@trndny01, Stephanie says...


"-L." wrote in message
oups.com...
BarbL wrote:

I have said nothing to defend the war - only to defend the
military members. In fact, they aren't the same thing.

Oh bull****. They *are* the war. They are the ones doing the killing.
Wake up and smell the bloodbath, Mummy.


You, on the other hand have only shown that you have a
filthy mouth and small mind. You aren't worth the bother.

Barb - Proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

I'd rather have a "filthy mouth" than be a war-mongering idiot and a
failure as a mother. What are your two other kids? And axe murderer
and a rapist?

-L.



How to win friends and influence people.



Oh shut the **** up Stephanie.

Banty

In article , Banty
wrote:

And from this site - this should pretty much squash the
old-white-men-sending-young-black-men thing:

http://www.militarycity.com/2000casualties/

The data show that the casualties were mostly young, with slightly more
than
half under age 25, and many more came from rural areas than urban enclaves.
The
data also dispel the notion held by some that the burden of this war falls
heavily on minorities.

Be interesting to see a breakdown of deaths by social class.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

"BarbL" wrote and I snipped:
enigma wrote:

in the notes when Bush took office were memos about alQueda, about
Afghanistan, & N.Korea. Bush, since foreign policy wasn't his strong
point, chose to ignore that.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. If you're saying you knew all this beforehand,
why didn't YOU do something about it?

It's easy to look at all the evidence now and say what they should have
done. It's easy to pass the buck.

Do you really think there weren't people in the U.S., regular Americans, who
determined, through sound reasoning, that our country shouldn't invade Iraq?
I was one of them.

-Patty, mom of 1+2

Chookie wrote:
In article , Banty
wrote:

And from this site - this should pretty much squash the
old-white-men-sending-young-black-men thing:

http://www.militarycity.com/2000casualties/

The data show that the casualties were mostly young, with slightly more
than
half under age 25, and many more came from rural areas than urban enclaves.
The
data also dispel the notion held by some that the burden of this war falls
heavily on minorities.

Be interesting to see a breakdown of deaths by social class.

Well, the link given has a breakout by paygrade.
That's not a perfect correlation with socioeconomic status
prior to joining the military, but there's some relation,
and enlisted vs. officer certainly has a lot to do with
their social status once in the military.

Best wishes,
Ericka