Child's First Right Is to Be Born, Insists Holy See

On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:35:39 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Bob Whiteside" wrote in


is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)

So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act and the
fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040401-3.html

The state seems to recognise that unborns have a soul!

Rhetoric. Bush also recognizes the right to lie, cheat, steal,
murder, spy, torture, and many other crimes against humanity.

On Fri, 04 May 2007 16:48:28 -0700, Robert
wrote:

On Fri, 4 May 2007 13:53:01 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Paul Anderson" wrote in

period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth, there
is no child, no living being.

Oh, so I guess ripping the legs and arms off a living & growing being is OK
with your conscience?

That's fine, nobody said you were moral!

Regardless of what you want to call a fetus, you still have to kill it to
end it's life, right?

End of civility, because of your persistent lying. No, you dumb ****
life began's at birth. A abortion doesn't kill a baby, because babies
have been born.

When I ask for moral justification to ban abortion Pro-Lifers *always*
resort to lies and/or insults.

On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:26:41 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Paul Anderson" wrote in

Without birth, there is no separate life. Ask yourself why you are
forced to constantly lie to promote the "Pro-Life" agenda.

It's not a pro-life agenda, common sense says that to end life you have to
kill it.

The Pro-Life agenda is to criminalize abortion. I am totally willing
to support legislation to ban abortion, if such can be morally
justified. Falsehoods and/or ignoring human rights is not "moral."

You people have sanitized this vile act to the point where you actually
believe your own tripe.

You are the one posting the lies and insults:

Mate, I could care less what you do with your own family, seems a dog has
more rights than your own unborn.

I'm sure for you It's no different than squashing a bug under your shoe and
you scrape it off with little thought to its' existence. We were all put on
this earth for a reason, who are you to decide the fate of all future
generations?

On Sat, 05 May 2007 03:23:19 GMT, "DB" wrote:


"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

It's just amazing to think about how human life has a lesser value than
spotted owls or sea lions
or native plants.

Well for those that would kill their own innocent child, their lives are
not worth much.

And yet AGAIN we see "Pro-Life" demonizing others so that they may
justify their killing.

"Robert" wrote in

Who are you to decide how a woman you never met, is to live her
life? Who are you to proclaim how a God that you can not prove to
exist, want you do make such decisions. I know, a small brained, self
righteous,religious bigot.


Nothing to do with God, it's called self respect and appreciating life,
something you severely lack.
You are quite free to kill your own family's young lives, the world will be
a better place without your ilk. :-)

Better yet, why not move to the third world countries where lives are bought
and sold for very cheap price and have no value, just your kind of place.

You are free to kill away my good friend, must be nice to not have a
conscience?

On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:26:41 -0700, "DB" wrote:

Mate, I could care less what you do with your own family, seems a dog has
more rights than your own unborn.

I'm sure for you It's no different than squashing a bug under your shoe and
you scrape it off with little thought to its' existence. We were all put on
this earth for a reason, who are you to decide the fate of all future
generations?

Who are you to decide how a woman you never met, is to live her
life? Who are you to proclaim how a God that you can not prove to
exist, want you do make such decisions. I know, a small brained, self
righteous,religious bigot.

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On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:53:49 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
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On May 4, 2:55 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"Paul Anderson"
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Conception is merely a point in the human reproduction cycle.
There
is not baby at conception, nor for many months later if at all. A
baby is an infant or a young child; an infant is A child in the
first
period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth,
there
is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and
never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then
only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)

So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act

Pro-Life fantasy. There is no such act.

You are correct - I misspoke. The correct name for the law is the Unborn
Victims of Violence Act of 2004.

Ah, same as State legislation you mention below, the killing an unborn
child against the wishes of the woman has been a crime for at least
3,000 years. That law is Pro-Choice -- Pro-Choice supports the
woman's right to choose to carry to term. Killing an unborn child
against her wishes is a Pro-Life position.

What a bunch of psycho-babble. There was no such thing as Pro-Choice or
Pro-Life when abortions were considered homicide under English Common Law
and several other historic legal and moral interpretations during the last
3,000 years.


Much the same as the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which codified
into Federal Law that the life ofd a human being begins at birth.

Talk about spinning the facts. This law defined a baby born alive as a
human person entitled to all protections of any other human being. This
bill outlawed partial birth abortions. This bill also created a new
definition for infant. An infant under this legislation is a fertilized
ovum, pre-embryo, embryo, fetus, and newborn. If any of those stages of
development show any signs of life after expulsion or extraction, they are a
living human person.


and the fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?

Since abortion is legal in all 50 states, another Pro-Life fantasy.
What is a fact is that abortion is not and never has been considered
murder in any legal jurisdiction anywhere and anytime.

Your statement above is not true. Abortion was considered a crime before
Roe v. Wade. Many jurisdictions classifed that crime as murder.

Being a crime does not make an act murder. No jurisdiction classified
abortion as murder -- if otherwise was true then it would be trivial
to cite the actual legislation. Has never been done because such has
never existed.

Okay, let me try again. Abortion was classified as homicide. Many people
who speak English used the words murder and homicide interchangably.


Abortion is court sanctioned murder

You continue to post this lie

Not true. Abortions were court sanctioned.....

Not sanctioned, not murder. Your constant lies are boring.

See above. They were called homicides.


....

well DUH!! The killing an unborn child against the wishes of the
woman has been a crime for at least 3,000 years. That law is Pro-
Choice -- Pro-Choice supports the woman's right to choose to carry to
term. Killing an unborn child against her wishes is a Pro-Life
position.

The killing of an unborn child against the wishes of the mother has just
recently become a crime.

Exodus whatever -- "when men strive...." You can also look up
Blackstone's commentaries. Get yoursellf educated.

I prefer to believe Western Civilization has its ethics and morality based
on Christianity. Pro abortion advocates choose to ignore that fact and seek
out resources who are willing to overlook that pesky little detail.

On Sat, 05 May 2007 15:42:35 GMT, "DB" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in

Who are you to decide how a woman you never met, is to live her
life? Who are you to proclaim how a God that you can not prove to
exist, want you do make such decisions. I know, a small brained, self
righteous,religious bigot.


Nothing to do with God, it's called self respect and appreciating life,
something you severely lack.
You are quite free to kill your own family's young lives, the world will be
a better place without your ilk. :-)

Better yet, why not move to the third world countries where lives are bought
and sold for very cheap price and have no value, just your kind of place.

You are free to kill away my good friend, must be nice to not have a
conscience?

May we assume from this spew that you have absolutely nothing against
abortion on demand being completely legal -- after all, it is the
women seeking abortions who, as you state, have no self respect and no
appreciation of life and whom you state are quite free to kill their
own famils's young.

On Sat, 5 May 2007 10:33:46 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
wrote:
.....

What a bunch of psycho-babble. There was no such thing as Pro-Choice or
Pro-Life when abortions were considered homicide under English Common Law
and several other historic legal and moral interpretations during the last
3,000 years.

Abortions were not considered to be homicide under English Common Law.
(See Blackstone's commentaries.) All you are doing here is proving
how big of an idiot you really are.....

Okay, let me try again. Abortion was classified as homicide.

Never.

Many people
who speak English used the words murder and homicide interchangably.

There are many uneducated people in the world. Homicide is the
killing of one human being by another. Homicide can be muder,
manslaughter, justified, or excused. Murder is a small subset of
homicide.

Abortion is court sanctioned murder

You continue to post this lie

Not true. Abortions were court sanctioned.....

Not sanctioned, not murder. Your constant lies are boring.

See above. They were called homicides.

You claiming that abortion was homicide does not make it so. All your
claim does is prove that you are a liar.

On May 4, 9:35 pm, "DB" wrote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040401-3.html

The state seems to recognise that unborns have a soul!

The current adminstration recognizes lots of things that can not be
proven WMD in Iraq anyone? Barring the current President's failings,
precisely where do you find the soul? Is it behind the left lung?
Wrapped around the pituitary gland? Is the soul tangled up in the
small intestine? Please show me on an x-ray or MRI where the soul is
located.