CPD = cephaloPELVIC disproportion

"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
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NOTE: Barbara (Circe) did mention the pelvis at the end of her reply to
Wendy - but strangely she forgot to mention explicitly that OBs routinely
CLOSE the pelvis!

It was more of an "oh-by-the-way" comment. Sheesh.

She couldn't say that. It's YOUR schtick ($1).

I still contend that OBs do not CLOSE the pelvis, but merely prevent it
from opening - with the same outcome. Now, if the OB is saying, "You MUST
lie on your back, because any other position means the baby won't come out"
(which would very likely be a lie) then I would agree with you.

In my 2 attempted vaginal births, 1 of which was successful, I was more or
less on my back, I did push in various positions, including on my side (in
the unsuccessful labor). The positioning of the baby matters too: a full
posterior baby is going to have a harder time coming out. So I was called
FPT and CPD when in fact the truth was just that baby was in a bad position.
Why do I know that? Because in my other attempt, with a baby just the same
size (1 oz larger), the baby came out just fine.

Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE
BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR
SEMISITTING!

How's that?

--angela

"Chotii" wrote in message
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"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
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NOTE: Barbara (Circe) did mention the pelvis at the end of her reply to
Wendy - but strangely she forgot to mention explicitly that OBs
routinely
CLOSE the pelvis!

It was more of an "oh-by-the-way" comment. Sheesh.

She couldn't say that. It's YOUR schtick ($1).


MY schtick?! This is an *obstetrician* schtick ($$$$$)!!!

Women and their babies are subjected to it everyday - so I protest it
everyday...

I still contend that OBs do not CLOSE the pelvis, but merely prevent it
from opening - with the same outcome.

This is sort of like my protest of the notion that "squatting opens the
outlet." The BABY (pushed by the uterus and abdominal muscles) opens the
outlet IF the OB isn't preventing it from opening - if the OB isn't closing
it...

Now, if the OB is saying, "You MUST
lie on your back, because any other position means the baby won't come
out"
(which would very likely be a lie) then I would agree with you.


ACOG members are lying.

ACOG authors of Williams Obstetrics claim that dorsal widens - even though
dorsal (and semisitting) CLOSE the outlet up to 30% (prevent it from opening
up to 30%).

ACOG's Shoulder Dystocia video: OBs claim they are widening the outlet even
as they CLOSE the outlet (prevent it from opening) when the baby's shoulders
get stuck.

(ACOG's video demonstrates BAD McRoberts - which places the woman on her
sacrum - keeps the pelvic outlet CLOSED up to 30% - prevents it from opening
maximally.)

ACOG = American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (for any readers
who aren't aware)..

In my 2 attempted vaginal births, 1 of which was successful, I was more or
less on my back, I did push in various positions, including on my side (in
the unsuccessful labor). The positioning of the baby matters too: a full
posterior baby is going to have a harder time coming out. So I was called
FPT and CPD when in fact the truth was just that baby was in a bad
position.
Why do I know that? Because in my other attempt, with a baby just the
same
size (1 oz larger), the baby came out just fine.

Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE
BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR
SEMISITTING!

How's that?


I would say: DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR SEMISITTING...

But (of course) I would add: **BECAUSE THOSE POSITIONS CLOSE THE BIRTH
CANAL UP TO 30%** (prevent it from opening maximally)... : )

Todd

It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Chotii wrote:

Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE
BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR
SEMISITTING!

I gave birth using a birthing stool twice and walked around during
labour as well, worked fine for me. Ok, so the second midwife
didn't want to get the birthing stool from the car(she should have done
that sooner) but gave in when I said I'd squat leaning against the wall
if she didn't get it and, by the way, I'm going to start pushing in a
minute! She also suggested putting the birthing stool *on* the bed so
she could see better(I told her to get her mirror and sit on the floor
if she wanted a view).

The second time I used the slow deep breaths which my first midwife had
shown me instead of the panting I'd been taught in birthing class,
worked a lot better for me in controlling the pain, it might have been
a yoga approach? Anyway, I guess the panting had me fighting the pain
and contractions whereas the deep, slow breaths allowed me to let the
waves of pain to roll over me and the contractions to do their job. A
pity I found out about it too late to use the technique the first time.


Vashti

LOL!

"Vashti" wrote in message
...
It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Chotii wrote:

Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE
BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR
SEMISITTING!

I gave birth using a birthing stool twice and walked around during
labour as well, worked fine for me. Ok, so the second midwife
didn't want to get the birthing stool from the car(she should have done
that sooner) but gave in when I said I'd squat leaning against the wall
if she didn't get it and, by the way, I'm going to start pushing in a
minute! She also suggested putting the birthing stool *on* the bed so
she could see better(I told her to get her mirror and sit on the floor
if she wanted a view).

The second time I used the slow deep breaths which my first midwife had
shown me instead of the panting I'd been taught in birthing class,
worked a lot better for me in controlling the pain, it might have been
a yoga approach? Anyway, I guess the panting had me fighting the pain
and contractions whereas the deep, slow breaths allowed me to let the
waves of pain to roll over me and the contractions to do their job. A
pity I found out about it too late to use the technique the first time.


Vashti

It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Todd Gastaldo wrote:

LOL!

Yep! Vertical birth? Get an adjustable mirror for the midwife!


Vashti