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"Mum of Two" wrote in message
Quite possibly not. I based the sweeping generalisation on a lot of horror stories and complaints about hospital births that get posted on MKP, and seem to be for the most part generated by US posters. The tendency for people to only relate the horror stories is paramount. No one ever tells a good story. The majority are good stories, but no one talks about them because they are not interesting. Just like the media, they tend to blow everything out of proportion. It does seem from what I read though, that there are a lot of extra tests and procedures (many of them harmful and unnecessary) used over there which we've never even heard of. There are a lot of tests. It comes for a sue-happy society we live in. Though the tests are offered, they are not mandatory. Some OBs are adamant on them, but we have a free choice of physicians (at least most do) and can switch if our insurance covers the next physician who is more lower intervention if that is what the patient wants. Overall, from what I've heard I would be *afraid* to birth in the US. If I found myself holidaying over there at term far from a good midwife, I would endeavour to birth in one of your yellow cabs. Again, just from what you've all told me. And I would not want to birth in your country. I feel that the medical society in other countries are not as well versed in the technology that we seem to have here. And there seems to be a lot of outdated information in other countries. If a woman wants intervention, she can get it and if she wants a lower intervention, then she can get that too. The point is there is a choice and the woman needs to be informed and make informed choices based on what is needed. -- Sue (mom to three girls) |
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Sue wrote:
And I would not want to birth in your country. I feel that the medical society in other countries are not as well versed in the technology that we seem to have here. And there seems to be a lot of outdated information in other countries. If a woman wants intervention, she can get it and if she wants a lower intervention, then she can get that too. The point is there is a choice and the woman needs to be informed and make informed choices based on what is needed. I think you're overly optimistic regarding the amount of choice there is. There are large areas of the US where you would be extremely unlikely to find any legal attendant for a homebirth. There are large areas where there is little choice in care providers, period. There are very few inpdependent birth centers, such that the majority of women in the US probably do not have access to one. Byzantine insurance/provider interrelationships (not to mention the lack of universal coverage) means that many people's hands are rather tied in terms of choosing birth location or care provider. There are many areas of the country where getting a VBAC is extremely difficult (and may be practically impossible or require paying out of pocket). I would not be as sanguine on the technological issues either. Quite a few other countries have better infant mortality rates than we do. We pay a price for the overuse of interventions. And the list of routine practices in the US that are NOT supported by any reasonable review of the mainstream medical literature is appallingly long. Best wishes, Ericka |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:31:54 -0500, Ericka Kammerer
wrote: I would not be as sanguine on the technological issues either. Quite a few other countries have better infant mortality rates than we do. I laughed when I saw statistics recently that listed Cuba right below the US. Both in the low teens IIRC (I no longer have the link). Its pretty appalling here, but half the rate in the US, but I guess thats what you get for universal coverage. Megan -- Seoras David Montgomery, 7th May 2003, 17 hours. http://seoras.farr-montgomery.com EDD 11th March 2005 (another boy!) |
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Sue wrote:
And I would not want to birth in your country. I feel that the medical society in other countries are not as well versed in the technology that we seem to have here. Umm this is the country where we produced the man who split the atom, I can assure you we aren't 3rd world, our secondary care services are very advanced and many of our highly trained obstetricians and perinatologists have pioneered such procedures as intrauterine transfusions and many maternal fetal procedures that the world has taken advantage of. The difference is we save our technology and skilled peeps for when they are needed, and have a world envied system of midwifery that the other 80% of the childbearing population use. And for all your technology you seem to have one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, perhaps it's not about the tools but how you use them? And there seems to be a lot of outdated information in other countries. Your the one living in the country that still has routine circ, eye ointment, compulsary vacination, routine vit k, and illegal midwifery in many parts. The practices here are very research based and modern, with lots of listening to consumers to drive the direction of maternity care. If a woman wants intervention, she can get it And pay through the nose for it. Here she has the same choices and it's free. and if she wants a lower intervention, then she can get that too. The point is there is a choice and the woman needs to be informed and make informed choices based on what is needed. And what makes you think the almighty US has the monopoly on choice? Try joining the ICAN list and listen to the woman who were given choice in your country while they struggle through depression, guilt, anger and hate at their treatment and so called choice. Or join the Cbirth list and listen to the woman there whose choice for safe midwifery attended homebirth is so scarcely available they are forced to birth unattended by default. True choice only occurs when woman have full access to a range of services, and are fully informed in order to make the right choice for them. As far as I can see neither of these things happen in the US due to the lack of easily obtainable and legal midwifery services, or practitioners who provide correct and balanced information due to the medical models in which they practice and the fear of litigation. Andrea |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:31:54 -0500, Ericka Kammerer
wrote: And the list of routine practices in the US that are NOT supported by any reasonable review of the mainstream medical literature is appallingly long. That really bothers me. When I had my last daughter at home, the pediatrican was just so angry with us when we tried to refuse the eye ointment and other things, calling us ignorant to our faces (and calling cps). I don't understand why the medical system in the US is so much into interventions and unnecessary practices and routines, when no other developed country in the world does these things. And what does it say about what the government thinks about us to have routine STD testing during pregnancy and certain procedures mandated by law? Marie |
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"Unadulterated Me" wrote in message
... Sue wrote: And I would not want to birth in your country. I feel that the medical society in other countries are not as well versed in the technology that we seem to have here. Umm this is the country where we produced the man who split the atom, I can assure you we aren't 3rd world, We flew first too ;-) -- Amy, Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 email: barton . souto @ clear . net . nz (join the dots!) http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/c/carlos2002/ |
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Sorry to reply to my own post, but I can't believe I forgot to add amnio &
CVS, which it seems are way over-used in the US and killed my friend's daughter (amnio). Amnio is available here when you are over 35 or there is a strong indication there could be something wrong with your baby, but there certainly isn't the pressure to have it and I could count on half a hand the number of women I've heard of who've had it. -- Amy, Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 email: barton . souto @ clear . net . nz (join the dots!) http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/c/carlos2002/ |
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Mum of Two wrote:
"Unadulterated Me" wrote in message ... Sue wrote: And I would not want to birth in your country. I feel that the medical society in other countries are not as well versed in the technology that we seem to have here. Umm this is the country where we produced the man who split the atom, I can assure you we aren't 3rd world, We flew first too ;-) Plus... The first country to give women the right to vote First country in the British empire to have a woman Mayor Pioneered Plastic Surgery Were the first to recognise DNA had a structure and led the way for DNA testing Pioneered the molecular clock from mitochondria DNA method of dating evolution Climbed Everest first Invented CAD, the disposable syringe, and the egg beater g Andrea |
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Mum of Two spake thusly
"Unadulterated Me" wrote in message ... Sue wrote: And I would not want to birth in your country. I feel that the medical society in other countries are not as well versed in the technology that we seem to have here. Umm this is the country where we produced the man who split the atom, I can assure you we aren't 3rd world, We flew first too ;-) LOL! Don't forget bungee-jumping! Or pavlova. (how could anyone forget pavlova? ) -- Maggie |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:41:09 +1300, Unadulterated Me
wrote: The first country to give women the right to vote Aussies claim that too. I wonder if this part of the NZ = part of Australia thing? -- Daye |
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