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Old August 25th 03, 06:40 PM
David
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"Howard McCollister" wrote in message
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The
resultant placebo effect is significant and can "cure" many patients

that
haven't responded to allopathic diagnosis and treatment primarily

because
their symptoms are either entirely psychological, or psychologically
augmented symptoms of real physical complaints.

HMc

TRANSLATION; hmc has no idea what is wrong, so his best shot is to say that
"it's all in their head". Fortunatly, more and more people are learning to
find other opinions and answers.



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Old August 25th 03, 07:56 PM
David
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Mein wrote:

Used to? They ARE. Your mind is going backwards.

There is no need to be insulting. After you've
gone through approximately 100 m of paperwork
wherein neurologists and sports physicians send
their injured patients to chiropractors, you might
see things a little differently, too. I would not have
believed it myself until I saw it. I didn't say that
chiropractors accomplished anything. I just said that
they provide a service. Some people find value in it.
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Many physcians send some patients to chiropracters, including me.
However,
it's been my experience that this is done, not because the

chiropracters
have specific medical treatments that are more effective, but

because
chiropracters are generally less constrained by scientific

honesty.
They
can
do a great song and dance for the patient and really make it

believable.
The
resultant placebo effect is significant and can "cure" many

patients
that
haven't responded to allopathic diagnosis and treatment primarily
because
their symptoms are either entirely psychological, or

psychologically
augmented symptoms of real physical complaints.

HMc





Unless you tell the Chiros that you "send" people exactly that, you

sir
,
are dishonest and a admitted BS artist.. Not one to be trusted.


I not only tell the chiropracter exactly that, I tell the patient

exactly
that as well.

I don't believe that you say anything of the sort. If you did, the

Chiros
would tell you to go screw. If you told paitents that, you would not see
that person again. You are an insult to medicine.
And, the opinion of my trustworthiness from an idiot like you is of
absolutely no concern to me.

HMc

If that were true, you would not have replied to me.






Most chirporacters are so desperate for patients, and the validation they
receive from getting a referral from a real doctor,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
that they will not only
gladly accept those patients I send them, they would buy me lunch too (no
thanks).

As to the patients, there's nothing physically wrong with them...


SOOOOO, you, in your most goddly superiorty, have determined this. It
matters not that someone else finds a problem that you missed. Thank
you, your godness.
why would I
see them back if I can't do anything to help them?


Why would they think you could have?
Oh, I forgot, you're a
chirporacter --

Where did you come up with this bit of BS?
you know the answer to that question very well...

HMc







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Old August 25th 03, 11:22 PM
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Personally, I'd put chiropractors below physical therapists and

massage
therapists, in roughly the same category as fortune tellers and
astrologers and faith healers. You know, the KOOK category.


Chiropractors have been shown to improve back pain. For a few people

with
very specific conditions, some chriopractors do a wonderful service. (I
think good physical therapy would be just as effective). However,
considering that chiropractic is based on theories that are not in any

way
backed by science, I think the work would be better off without them.

(...)


There you go again, trying to convince folks, that you think.


Rather than attack me, why don't you show where what I have said is
incorrect?

Thanks.

Jeff


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Old August 26th 03, 12:01 AM
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Considering that the theory behind chiropractic is not supported by

medical
science, I don't think chiropractors should be allowed to call themselves
physicians. In addition, chiropractors do not have the in-depth training
that physicians about the human body or appropriate training such as
residency.

Jeff


So, are you calling my 500-odd hours in a human anatomy dissection
laboratory studying under a fully qualified PHD in Anatomy from the
University of Toronto inappropriate?



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Old August 26th 03, 12:04 AM
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Personally, I'd put chiropractors below physical therapists and

massage
therapists, in roughly the same category as fortune tellers and
astrologers and faith healers. You know, the KOOK category.

Chiropractors have been shown to improve back pain. For a few people

with
very specific conditions, some chriopractors do a wonderful service.

(I
think good physical therapy would be just as effective). However,
considering that chiropractic is based on theories that are not in any

way
backed by science, I think the work would be better off without them.

(...)


There you go again, trying to convince folks, that you think.


Rather than attack me, why don't you show where what I have said is
incorrect?

Thanks.

Jeff


Read the curriculum syllabus of CMCC. I spent over 500 hours in a human
anatomy lab. My endocrinology course was 200 hours, taught by the chief of
Endocrinology at the University Hospital in Toronto, just to cite two
examples.
Your ignorance is glaring, Jeff.



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Old August 26th 03, 12:07 AM
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Personally, I'd put chiropractors below physical therapists and massage
therapists, in roughly the same category as fortune tellers and
astrologers and faith healers. You know, the KOOK category.


Chiropractors have been shown to improve back pain. For a few people with
very specific conditions, some chriopractors do a wonderful service. (I
think good physical therapy would be just as effective). However,
considering that chiropractic is based on theories that are not in any way
backed by science,



I think the work would be better off without them.

Idiots way *more important* than you have been trying to do that for over a
century. How is it that it has failed miserably?
You think maybe some prejudicial ignorance just might be in play here?



(...)




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Old August 26th 03, 12:08 AM
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"David Wright" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

And I don't see how chiropractors bridge a gap between physical

therapists
and physicians. Physical therapists are highly trained professionals

how
understand anatomy and physiology from their coursework in school.


Subluxations aside, what is your basis for implying that chiropractors
don't understand anatomy? Are they telling us the leg bone is
connected to the arm bone?


I did not imply that chiropractors don't understand anatomy.




Rather, if they
think that the main cause of disease is spinal problems, their

understanding
of physiology and pathology is why off, IMHO:


We don't think that, you uninformed ****head.


http://www.chirobase.org/01General/modde.html.

While many physical therapists mmight not have as comprensive training in
anatomy and physiology, at least the training they have is based on
scientifically verifiable principles. While phyisical therapists and
physicians have different professional training and different ways of
helping people, the gap between PTs and physicians is not one that needs

to
be filled, espeically by quacks.

Jeff





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Old August 26th 03, 12:53 AM
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Way to show intellectual dishonesty by selective quoting. Really adds honor
to chiropractors and to your position here.

Jeff

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Considering that the theory behind chiropractic is not supported by

medical
science, I don't think



Jeff






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Old August 26th 03, 01:27 AM
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Personally, I'd put chiropractors below physical therapists and

massage
therapists, in roughly the same category as fortune tellers and
astrologers and faith healers. You know, the KOOK category.

Chiropractors have been shown to improve back pain. For a few people

with
very specific conditions, some chriopractors do a wonderful service.

(I
think good physical therapy would be just as effective). However,
considering that chiropractic is based on theories that are not in any

way
backed by science, I think the work would be better off without them.

(...)


There you go again, trying to convince folks, that you think.


Rather than attack me, why don't you show where what I have said is
incorrect?

Thanks.

Jeff


Perhaps you might "hangout" with a Chiro, and find out for yourself what all
the hubbub is about.


 




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