So much for the claims about Sweden

On 4 Nov 2003, Kane wrote:

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:44:29 -0800, Doan wrote:


On 4 Nov 2003, Kane wrote:

Doan wrote in message ...
Instead of post propaganda from a no-spanking website,

The location of the information appears to be logical.

Only to the anti-spanking zealotS! ;-)

why not post the
study by Durrant and let's compare data?

Durrant et al cannot stand up to the wealth of information that
shows
spanking to be detrimental, and rates of child abuse dropping in
countries where spanking is outlawed.

Then post the rates before and after the anti-spanking laws were
passed.
I DARE YOU!

As pointed out previously, child abuse was a seldom reported event in
Sweden unless death or serious injury of the child resulted prior to
the anti spanking law. The law itself caused more child abuse to be
reported as people became more aware of the problem.

And your proof is??? Where is the data?

The government mounted a very extensive campaign to not only promote
nonspanking alternatives they also mounted a considerable one to make
people more aware of abuse. Go figger.

And your proof is???

But going by your comment above, you actually have no idea
what you are talking about.

On the contrary. I know bias and propaganda when I see it.

Is that why you posted the Maurer study? Then spouted that
spanking is not physical punishment when confronted? :-)

DO YOU KNOW WHO DURRANT IS??? ;-)

Of course. Joan is the two faced darling of the spanking crowd. While
claiming to support the anti spanking viewpoint about harm to the
children she supports that parents should be the sole arbiters of what
is and isn't abusive.

And your proof is?

She is often quoted by right wing conservative Christians to preserve
their right to beat their children and call it spanking.

Cite one!

Anything else?

Yes! How is it like making a fool of yourself in public? ;-0


Do you want to know the truth,

Yes, and it isn't in you.

LOL! I posted fact, you posted propaganda!

I posted opinion. You posted what you called a study that isn't any
such thing. It was a review of other's research. As such it is more
opinion and bias than fact.

Everybody has an opinion. Facts are backed up with supporting data.
Do you have any supporting dat?

And I bet you actually believe
the propaganda is truth! ;-)


You certainly seem to.

I don't copy stuff from an anti-spanking site!

How about the "information" that states that
allow paddling "correlate" to higher murder rate??? :-)

Find me some murderers that weren't paddled.

And what does that proof?

Kane?

Having trouble remembering who you are posting to?

Not at all, Kane9! Not at all! How about the 98% that went to
college
and the 95% that became professionals? Hey, there is a "reason" not
to spank your kids, according to Kane! ;-)

Find me some prison inmates and murderers that weren't spanked. And
don't forget, they drank milk as children too...try to pass that
little piece of garbage off on the unwary.

LOL! It was you who posted the Maurer study! Are so stupid?

Take a look at the brain scan information I pointed to recently. It's
all coming down around you vicious savages ears, Doan. Won't be long
now.

What brain scan information? Didn't some poster already bested you on
that? ;-)


Doan?



Doan


snipping the usual blather.

Typical cargo-cult mentality - can't deal with the truth!

The idea that because a child obeys they have been "disciplined" is a
perfect example of "cargo-cult" thinking. Form rather than function.

LOL! What a cop-out! ;-)

This is the "report" of a notorious pro spanking bunch of nitwits
like
you.

LOL! And your post from a anti-spanking website is objective???

The subject isn't objective. The subject is always subjective. You'll
just have to learn to live with it, oftenspankedboy.

Science depends on being objective! Once again you have demonstrated
your "cargo-cult" mentality! ;-)

Logic
and the anti-spanking zealotS, are they mutually exclusive? ;-)

Truth and the pro spanking fanatics, are they mutually incompatible?

Nope! There is no pro-spanking fanatics here - only anti-spanking
zealotS sticking their noses into other people's asses! ;-)

It's not a study of spanking. It's a review and opinion of others
work. Poorly written and more obviously weakly supported
propaganda.

What a idiot! It happenned to be the same data that Durrant used
"selectively" to say that child abuse rate in Sweden is down. If
you have read the actual study, she admitted that the data didn't
reach "statistical significant"!!! So what you posted was third-hand
report by anti-spanking zealotS using information that has not
stood up even to casual scientific standard.

Have you read the entirety of the report you posted? While the authors
wish badly to come to some conclusions that protect the ancient
tradition of torturing children when one reads closely they find huge
holes in the information.

Torture children??? Come on, Kane! You can do better than that! :-)

For instance they list child homicides as support for the idea that
not spanking raising child deaths by parents...yet, no matter how hard
I search I cannot find a single mention that PARENTS killed all those
children that were murdered.

Nope. They all died of nutural causes! ;-)

Now why is that missing in supposedly so balanced and professional a
report?

Perhaps you should ask Durrant! It is the same data that she worked with!

I notice they also put in numerous disclaimers about collecting
methods for the very evidence they use to support their final
conclusions.

Perhaps that is what the data they have available. Unlike you, you
have no data at all! ;-)

And note, no mention of things that would skew the data like false
reporting of abuse, a common problem. Notice there was a serious
difference in reportage also with police vs cps. In the US it would be
extremely difficult to have one kind of report with the other. CPS and
the police routinely share abuse complaints. Not so in Sweden.

Perhaps you should read it again. It was the data reported by Hauser - THE
CO-FOUNDER OF EPOCH-USA!!! Is your brain stopped working or you are
actually this stupid???

In other words, you silly little smartass twit, it's a mess that
leaves plenty of loopholes for your dedicated child torturers to
exploit.

It is the same data used by anti-spanking zealotS being brough to light!
You are so stupid to not realize that! :-0

I'd call that propaganda, wouldn't you?

Yup! If that is the kind of data anti-spankin zealotS used to support
their house of cards!


Nice try.

You, once again, proven to be a fool!

Your're Blowin' smoke up the reader's collective ass's again doan.

LOL! Nope, Kane. I stayed away from people's asses. It's the
anti-spanking zealotS who kept sticking their noses in other people
asses! Haven't you learnt that yet? ;-)

You are incapable of thinking
logically.

I am proud to say that I am incapable of thinking with YOUR kind of
'logic.'

And you proved it in every posts! :-)

I am proud to say you are a "never-spanked" boy! :-)


I am proud to say you are a compulsive liar, as you so demonstrated in
this ngs.

Now, that is not a nice thing to say. You sound like you can't argue
coherently and resorting to ad-hom attacks again. How typical! :-0

You don't know whether I was or not. Hence you are a liar to say so.
On the other hand you have admitted to being spanked.

LOL! So I lied about being spanked??? ;-)

Doan

Happy trails,

Kane

Same to you. ;-)

Doan