Beating Kids With Ball Bats

The word of God does NOT say "Spare the rod and spoil the child."
People say the word of God says that. But the word of God does NOT
say spare the rod and spoil the child. Some say that the phrase is
derived from Proverbs where it says:

Pro 13:24 KJV
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him
chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs also says:

Pro 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him.

The "rod" is not a ball bat, belt, razor strap, extension cord, frying
pan, or some other object such as a wooden soon used to strike a child
with. The word "rod" represents "authority" as indicated by the
context which includes the word "chasteneth" which means to give a
child disciplined instruction.

Aaron's rod represented the authority of God because Moses was God's
prophet and Aaron was Moses' prophet. Moses spoke for God with the
authority of God and Aaron spoke for Moses with the authority of God.

Num 17:5-10 KJV
5 And it shall come to pass, that the man's rod, whom I shall choose,
shall blossom: and I will make to cease from me the murmurings of the
children of Israel, whereby they murmur against you.
6 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, and every one of their
princes gave him a rod apiece, for each prince one, according to their
fathers' houses, even twelve rods: and the rod of Aaron was among
their rods.
7 And Moses laid up the rods before the LORD in the tabernacle of
witness.
8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the
tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of
Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and
yielded almonds.
9 And Moses brought out all the rods from before the LORD unto all
the children of Israel: and they looked, and took every man his rod.
10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the
testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt
quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

Exo 7:1 KJV
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:
and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

The rod of God is the word of God and the rod of Aaron represented the
authority of the word of God. A father who does not give his son the
disciplined instruction contained in the word of God hateth his son.
His son will not receive the benefits of the wisdom, knowledge, and
understanding available from the word of God and will suffer
consequences.

The father who has a foolish child uses the word of God to drive the
foolishness from the child. Look at the verse again.

Pro 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him.

When foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; the father cannot
drive it out of the child. The father could beat him with a ball bat
day and night and get no where because a physical thing can not move a
spiritual thing. It takes spirit to move spirit. As a father teaches
(by word and deed) his child principles from the word of God; the word
of God drives the foolishness from the child filling the void with
wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

We live in a secular world controlled by the god of this world who is
Satan who has set up a world system designed to destroy us and our
children. When I studied child development in college I learned the
vain empty philosophies of Piaget, Erickson and other workers of
iniquity who promulgated the doctrines of devils. Their teachings
influenced many who were brain dirtied with their doctrines and rose
to positions in the world system where they could influence the making
of laws that under the guise of protecting children actually lead to
the destruction of children. Were all of the philosophies of the
"experts" vain? No. They had to mix evil with good in order to fool
people.

This morning I was talking to a lady who has to appear in court as a
witness in a case where the government stepped in and took a child
away from her father because the child alleged that the father struck
her. Three witnesses say that the child had a mark on her face before
the father came home from work. When the father took the child home
she called the police and the girl told the police that the father had
struck her leaving a mark on her face.

I know the father and the girl who is thirteen. The father is a self
employed mechanic who tows and repairs cars for a living. He is not
well educated and since the death of his wife has had trouble raising
his daughter whom he allows to much freedom.

The child was taken from the father last year and bounced from home to
home where nobody wants her because she is narcissistic, mean spirited
and violent. Of course, social services has her receiving counseling
which has done her no good at all.

She is currently staying with my friend who is a widow with three
teenage children of her own. The girl has caused confusion and ruined
the home life of everyone concerned. She is kicked out of school so
much that she has spent very little time in school. While the kids
are at school she finds their "stuff" and uses it as her own and then
throws a tantrum when the owner wants it back. The family has to hide
the telephone, the computer mouse, the wire connecting the computer to
the Internet, etc. If not the girl will spend all of her time on the
Internet and on the telephone - no telling who she is communicating
with. Even social services and the contractors social services has
hired to handle her can do nothing with her.

She cannot even be allowed to visit her grandmother because she will
leave the house and go to where prostitutes and drugs are used. At
thirteen she makes life miserable for everyone that she comes into
contact with.

When the mother died, the father who had depended on the mother to
raise the child allowed her to do what she wanted even reprimanding
the child's grandmother and other care givers who tried to correct
her. She became a wild child because the father spared his rod and in
doing so brought about the evil that has come to the daughter. The
father does go to church once in a while but does not know the
scriptures or their power. He also lacks the reading skills necessary
to do much reading of the Bible or any other book that could give him
some pointers.

To make matters even worse, the father's house and all of his property
burned down and his losses were not insured. He doesn't make enough
money to pay rent and utilities and care for his daughter. Yet, this
week he is in court trying to regain custody of his daughter. It's
not that the man does not love his daughter. The problem is that he
does not know how to provide for and care for his daughter.

Being poor in North Carolina puts a family at the mercy of the
government and its hired henchmen. When the child called the police,
social services was contacted by the police who in-turn farmed out the
responsibility for investigating the circumstances to one of its
contractors whose primary purpose for existence is to make money. The
contractor's employees who work in two's (more money for the
contractor) are obligated to make as many "interventions" as possible
since each visit earns the contractor money. A government social
worker would not be motivated by the make as many visits as possible
mentality that governs the contractors way of thinking. Of course the
child is also farmed out to mental health contractors who need to work
count to make money. The child is a money maker for contractors;
nothing more.

Those who would do good for the child are not permitted to do good
without fear of a contractor submitting reports against them. So, the
girl has become a wild child that nobody wants and that nobody can
help. If her father does regain custody this week, they will have to
live with someone else and their problems will cause problems for
others in the household. If he does not regain custody, contractors
who work for mental health and social services will continue to make
more and more money off the child - but that's not considered child
abuse.

Child abuse is not when a child's life is ruined for the sake of money
(so long as it is an approved contractor). Child abuse is when a
parent tries to do what is right and best for his child.

The father and child are living with the family that has custody of
the child until the father can get assistance from the state. The
family they are staying with are Christians and some progress is being
made with the girl because the mother and her three teenage children
are able to get "through" to the girl to a limited degree. The father
has become a little more tolerant of people telling his daughter what
to do; especially when it is the teenage girls that have befriended
her. So there is hope for the father and the girl. But that hope
does not come from the money hungry contractors or the state employees
who have messed things up for them. Their hope comes through the love
of God that is being manifested towards to the two through four of
God's children who know and speak the truth of the word of God in
love.

On May 15, 9:45 am, Bible Bob wrote:
The word of God does NOT say "Spare the rod and spoil the child."
People say the word of God says that. But the word of God does NOT
say spare the rod and spoil the child. Some say that the phrase is
derived from Proverbs where it says:

Pro 13:24 KJV
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him
chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs also says:

Pro 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him.

The "rod" is not a ball bat, belt, razor strap, extension cord, frying
pan, or some other object such as a wooden soon used to strike a child
with. The word "rod" represents "authority" as indicated by the
context which includes the word "chasteneth" which means to give a
child disciplined instruction.

Aaron's rod represented the authority of God because Moses was God's
prophet and Aaron was Moses' prophet. Moses spoke for God with the
authority of God and Aaron spoke for Moses with the authority of God.

Num 17:5-10 KJV
5 And it shall come to pass, that the man's rod, whom I shall choose,
shall blossom: and I will make to cease from me the murmurings of the
children of Israel, whereby they murmur against you.
6 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, and every one of their
princes gave him a rod apiece, for each prince one, according to their
fathers' houses, even twelve rods: and the rod of Aaron was among
their rods.
7 And Moses laid up the rods before the LORD in the tabernacle of
witness.
8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the
tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of
Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and
yielded almonds.
9 And Moses brought out all the rods from before the LORD unto all
the children of Israel: and they looked, and took every man his rod.
10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the
testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt
quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

Exo 7:1 KJV
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:
and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

The rod of God is the word of God and the rod of Aaron represented the
authority of the word of God. A father who does not give his son the
disciplined instruction contained in the word of God hateth his son.
His son will not receive the benefits of the wisdom, knowledge, and
understanding available from the word of God and will suffer
consequences.

The father who has a foolish child uses the word of God to drive the
foolishness from the child. Look at the verse again.

Pro 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him.

When foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; the father cannot
drive it out of the child. The father could beat him with a ball bat
day and night and get no where because a physical thing can not move a
spiritual thing. It takes spirit to move spirit. As a father teaches
(by word and deed) his child principles from the word of God; the word
of God drives the foolishness from the child filling the void with
wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

We live in a secular world controlled by the god of this world who is
Satan who has set up a world system designed to destroy us and our
children. When I studied child development in college I learned the
vain empty philosophies of Piaget, Erickson and other workers of
iniquity who promulgated the doctrines of devils. Their teachings
influenced many who were brain dirtied with their doctrines and rose
to positions in the world system where they could influence the making
of laws that under the guise of protecting children actually lead to
the destruction of children. Were all of the philosophies of the
"experts" vain? No. They had to mix evil with good in order to fool
people.

This morning I was talking to a lady who has to appear in court as a
witness in a case where the government stepped in and took a child
away from her father because the child alleged that the father struck
her. Three witnesses say that the child had a mark on her face before
the father came home from work. When the father took the child home
she called the police and the girl told the police that the father had
struck her leaving a mark on her face.

I know the father and the girl who is thirteen. The father is a self
employed mechanic who tows and repairs cars for a living. He is not
well educated and since the death of his wife has had trouble raising
his daughter whom he allows to much freedom.

The child was taken from the father last year and bounced from home to
home where nobody wants her because she is narcissistic, mean spirited
and violent. Of course, social services has her receiving counseling
which has done her no good at all.

She is currently staying with my friend who is a widow with three
teenage children of her own. The girl has caused confusion and ruined
the home life of everyone concerned. She is kicked out of school so
much that she has spent very little time in school. While the kids
are at school she finds their "stuff" and uses it as her own and then
throws a tantrum when the owner wants it back. The family has to hide
the telephone, the computer mouse, the wire connecting the computer to
the Internet, etc. If not the girl will spend all of her time on the
Internet and on the telephone - no telling who she is communicating
with. Even social services and the contractors social services has
hired to handle her can do nothing with her.

She cannot even be allowed to visit her grandmother because she will
leave the house and go to where prostitutes and drugs are used. At
thirteen she makes life miserable for everyone that she comes into
contact with.

When the mother died, the father who had depended on the mother to
raise the child allowed her to do what she wanted even reprimanding
the child's grandmother and other care givers who tried to correct
her. She became a wild child because the father spared his rod and in
doing so brought about the evil that has come to the daughter. The
father does go to church once in a while but does not know the
scriptures or their power. He also lacks the reading skills necessary
to do much reading of the Bible or any other book that could give him
some pointers.

To make matters even worse, the father's house and all of his property
burned down and his losses were not insured. He doesn't make enough
money to pay rent and utilities and care for his daughter. Yet, this
week he is in court trying to regain custody of his daughter. It's
not that the man does not love his daughter. The problem is that he
does not know how to provide for and care for his daughter.

Being poor in North Carolina puts a family at the mercy of the
government and its hired henchmen. When the child called the police,
social services was contacted by the police who in-turn farmed out the
responsibility for investigating the circumstances to one of its
contractors whose primary purpose for existence is to make money. The
contractor's employees who work in two's (more money for the
contractor) are obligated to make as many "interventions" as possible
since each visit earns the contractor money. A government social
worker would not be motivated by the make as many visits as possible
mentality that governs the contractors way of thinking. Of course the
child is also farmed out to mental health contractors who need to work
count to make money. The child is a money maker for contractors;
nothing more.

Those who would do good for the child are not permitted to do good
without fear of a contractor submitting reports against them. So, the
girl has become a wild child that nobody wants and that nobody can
help. If her father does regain custody this week, they will have to
live with someone else and their problems will cause problems for
others in the household. If he does not regain custody, contractors
who work for mental health and social services will continue to make
more and more money off the child - but that's not considered child
abuse.

Child abuse is not when a child's life is ruined for the sake of money
(so long as it is an approved contractor). Child abuse is when a
parent tries to do what is right and best for his child.

The father and child are living with the family that has custody of
the child until the father can get assistance from the state. The
family they are staying with are Christians and some progress is being
made with the girl because the mother and her three teenage children
are able to get "through" to the girl to a limited degree. The father
has become a little more tolerant of people telling his daughter what
to do; especially when it is the teenage girls that have befriended
her. So there is hope for the father and the girl. But that hope
does not come from the money hungry contractors or the state employees
who have messed things up for them. Their hope comes through the love
of God that is being manifested towards to the two through four of
God's children who know and speak the truth of the word of God in
love.

I didn't know they were giving out soap boxes on usenet.
Thanks for enlightening us all, Bob, on ...what was your point anyway?

On 16 May 2007 21:56:23 -0700, Dragon's Girl
wrote:

On May 15, 9:45 am, Bible Bob wrote:
The word of God does NOT say "Spare the rod and spoil the child."
People say the word of God says that. But the word of God does NOT
say spare the rod and spoil the child. Some say that the phrase is
derived from Proverbs where it says:

Pro 13:24 KJV
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him
chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs also says:

Pro 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him.

The "rod" is not a ball bat, belt, razor strap, extension cord, frying
pan, or some other object such as a wooden soon used to strike a child
with. The word "rod" represents "authority" as indicated by the
context which includes the word "chasteneth" which means to give a
child disciplined instruction.

Aaron's rod represented the authority of God because Moses was God's
prophet and Aaron was Moses' prophet. Moses spoke for God with the
authority of God and Aaron spoke for Moses with the authority of God.

Num 17:5-10 KJV
5 And it shall come to pass, that the man's rod, whom I shall choose,
shall blossom: and I will make to cease from me the murmurings of the
children of Israel, whereby they murmur against you.
6 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, and every one of their
princes gave him a rod apiece, for each prince one, according to their
fathers' houses, even twelve rods: and the rod of Aaron was among
their rods.
7 And Moses laid up the rods before the LORD in the tabernacle of
witness.
8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the
tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of
Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and
yielded almonds.
9 And Moses brought out all the rods from before the LORD unto all
the children of Israel: and they looked, and took every man his rod.
10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the
testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt
quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

Exo 7:1 KJV
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:
and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

The rod of God is the word of God and the rod of Aaron represented the
authority of the word of God. A father who does not give his son the
disciplined instruction contained in the word of God hateth his son.
His son will not receive the benefits of the wisdom, knowledge, and
understanding available from the word of God and will suffer
consequences.

The father who has a foolish child uses the word of God to drive the
foolishness from the child. Look at the verse again.

Pro 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him.

When foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; the father cannot
drive it out of the child. The father could beat him with a ball bat
day and night and get no where because a physical thing can not move a
spiritual thing. It takes spirit to move spirit. As a father teaches
(by word and deed) his child principles from the word of God; the word
of God drives the foolishness from the child filling the void with
wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

We live in a secular world controlled by the god of this world who is
Satan who has set up a world system designed to destroy us and our
children. When I studied child development in college I learned the
vain empty philosophies of Piaget, Erickson and other workers of
iniquity who promulgated the doctrines of devils. Their teachings
influenced many who were brain dirtied with their doctrines and rose
to positions in the world system where they could influence the making
of laws that under the guise of protecting children actually lead to
the destruction of children. Were all of the philosophies of the
"experts" vain? No. They had to mix evil with good in order to fool
people.

This morning I was talking to a lady who has to appear in court as a
witness in a case where the government stepped in and took a child
away from her father because the child alleged that the father struck
her. Three witnesses say that the child had a mark on her face before
the father came home from work. When the father took the child home
she called the police and the girl told the police that the father had
struck her leaving a mark on her face.

I know the father and the girl who is thirteen. The father is a self
employed mechanic who tows and repairs cars for a living. He is not
well educated and since the death of his wife has had trouble raising
his daughter whom he allows to much freedom.

The child was taken from the father last year and bounced from home to
home where nobody wants her because she is narcissistic, mean spirited
and violent. Of course, social services has her receiving counseling
which has done her no good at all.

She is currently staying with my friend who is a widow with three
teenage children of her own. The girl has caused confusion and ruined
the home life of everyone concerned. She is kicked out of school so
much that she has spent very little time in school. While the kids
are at school she finds their "stuff" and uses it as her own and then
throws a tantrum when the owner wants it back. The family has to hide
the telephone, the computer mouse, the wire connecting the computer to
the Internet, etc. If not the girl will spend all of her time on the
Internet and on the telephone - no telling who she is communicating
with. Even social services and the contractors social services has
hired to handle her can do nothing with her.

She cannot even be allowed to visit her grandmother because she will
leave the house and go to where prostitutes and drugs are used. At
thirteen she makes life miserable for everyone that she comes into
contact with.

When the mother died, the father who had depended on the mother to
raise the child allowed her to do what she wanted even reprimanding
the child's grandmother and other care givers who tried to correct
her. She became a wild child because the father spared his rod and in
doing so brought about the evil that has come to the daughter. The
father does go to church once in a while but does not know the
scriptures or their power. He also lacks the reading skills necessary
to do much reading of the Bible or any other book that could give him
some pointers.

To make matters even worse, the father's house and all of his property
burned down and his losses were not insured. He doesn't make enough
money to pay rent and utilities and care for his daughter. Yet, this
week he is in court trying to regain custody of his daughter. It's
not that the man does not love his daughter. The problem is that he
does not know how to provide for and care for his daughter.

Being poor in North Carolina puts a family at the mercy of the
government and its hired henchmen. When the child called the police,
social services was contacted by the police who in-turn farmed out the
responsibility for investigating the circumstances to one of its
contractors whose primary purpose for existence is to make money. The
contractor's employees who work in two's (more money for the
contractor) are obligated to make as many "interventions" as possible
since each visit earns the contractor money. A government social
worker would not be motivated by the make as many visits as possible
mentality that governs the contractors way of thinking. Of course the
child is also farmed out to mental health contractors who need to work
count to make money. The child is a money maker for contractors;
nothing more.

Those who would do good for the child are not permitted to do good
without fear of a contractor submitting reports against them. So, the
girl has become a wild child that nobody wants and that nobody can
help. If her father does regain custody this week, they will have to
live with someone else and their problems will cause problems for
others in the household. If he does not regain custody, contractors
who work for mental health and social services will continue to make
more and more money off the child - but that's not considered child
abuse.

Child abuse is not when a child's life is ruined for the sake of money
(so long as it is an approved contractor). Child abuse is when a
parent tries to do what is right and best for his child.

The father and child are living with the family that has custody of
the child until the father can get assistance from the state. The
family they are staying with are Christians and some progress is being
made with the girl because the mother and her three teenage children
are able to get "through" to the girl to a limited degree. The father
has become a little more tolerant of people telling his daughter what
to do; especially when it is the teenage girls that have befriended
her. So there is hope for the father and the girl. But that hope
does not come from the money hungry contractors or the state employees
who have messed things up for them. Their hope comes through the love
of God that is being manifested towards to the two through four of
God's children who know and speak the truth of the word of God in
love.

I didn't know they were giving out soap boxes on usenet.
Thanks for enlightening us all, Bob, on ...what was your point anyway?

Dragon Girl,

You are welcome.

You've been around long enough to know that the discussion groups are
soap boxes (and soap operas, too).

The first point is if you are going to be religious; make sure your
religious beliefs are right. Else, you will end up beating your kids
and denying them blood transfusions or surgery and not teaching them
what they need to know to live life. The second point is that while
it may be necessary to have the Government step in to protect a child
from a parent the Government should not delegate their authority to
money grubbing contractors.

Last night on the national news it was reported that a parent nuked
his baby in a microwave. In the local news a man was charged with
child abuse keeping his wife and kids captive in a filthy house. The
mother was kept on drugs and the children were so poorly cared for
that they had developed their own language. The grandmother had tried
to intervene but social services apparently did not do their job. Then
there was the mother charged with microwaving her baby.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834355/posts

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stori....7624e88c.html

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Dec...rowave,00.html

Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From my
perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to do
things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going to do
what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become gun
carrying law enforcement officers.

Bible Bob wrote:
snip
Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From my
perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to do
things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going to do
what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become gun
carrying law enforcement officers.

Absolutely. Genesis gives us a lot of rules.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the
land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
So if a child dies either it did not honor it's parents or this god lies.

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do.
It's OK to seel your kids but daughteres have less value.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to
death.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy
liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Naturally the salad bar christian will have explanations as to why this
*really* does not apply to the christian, but it is from the same place the
ten commanments come from.

On Sat, 19 May 2007 05:08:30 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
snip
Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From my
perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to do
things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going to do
what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become gun
carrying law enforcement officers.

Absolutely. Genesis gives us a lot of rules.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the
land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
So if a child dies either it did not honor it's parents or this god lies.

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do.
It's OK to seel your kids but daughteres have less value.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to
death.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy
liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Naturally the salad bar christian will have explanations as to why this
*really* does not apply to the christian, but it is from the same place the
ten commanments come from.

Mikey,

The problem is that the entire Old Covenant was written to Israel; not
the church of God which lives under the New Covenant. The ten
commandments were addressed to Israel beause they are in the Old
Covenant. The Old Covenanat Laws were written to carnal man. The New
Covenant was written to spiritual man.

Can you dudes take your bible thumping arguments elsewhere?
This is not the place, TY
firemonkey



On May 19, 7:04 am, Bible Bob wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 05:08:30 GMT, "Mike Painter"





wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
snip
Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From my
perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to do
things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going to do
what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become gun
carrying law enforcement officers.

Absolutely. Genesis gives us a lot of rules.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the
land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
So if a child dies either it did not honor it's parents or this god lies.

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do.
It's OK to seel your kids but daughteres have less value.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to
death.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy
liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Naturally the salad bar christian will have explanations as to why this
*really* does not apply to the christian, but it is from the same place the
ten commanments come from.

Mikey,

The problem is that the entire Old Covenant was written to Israel; not
the church of God which lives under the New Covenant. The ten
commandments were addressed to Israel beause they are in the Old
Covenant. The Old Covenanat Laws were written to carnal man. The New
Covenant was written to spiritual man.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On 19 May 2007 10:54:26 -0700, firemonkey
wrote:


Can you dudes take your bible thumping arguments elsewhere?
This is not the place, TY
firemonkey

Firemonkey,

It is on topic in all of the groups in the header.

BB

On May 19, 7:04 am, Bible Bob wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 05:08:30 GMT, "Mike Painter"





wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
snip
Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From my
perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to do
things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going to do
what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become gun
carrying law enforcement officers.

Absolutely. Genesis gives us a lot of rules.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the
land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
So if a child dies either it did not honor it's parents or this god lies.

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do.
It's OK to seel your kids but daughteres have less value.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to
death.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy
liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Naturally the salad bar christian will have explanations as to why this
*really* does not apply to the christian, but it is from the same place the
ten commanments come from.

Mikey,

The problem is that the entire Old Covenant was written to Israel; not
the church of God which lives under the New Covenant. The ten
commandments were addressed to Israel beause they are in the Old
Covenant. The Old Covenanat Laws were written to carnal man. The New
Covenant was written to spiritual man.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bible Bob wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 05:08:30 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
snip
Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From
my perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to
do things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going
to do what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become
gun carrying law enforcement officers.

Absolutely. Genesis gives us a lot of rules.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long
upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
So if a child dies either it did not honor it's parents or this god
lies.

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall
not go out as the menservants do.
It's OK to seel your kids but daughteres have less value.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be
put to death.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto
me.

Naturally the salad bar christian will have explanations as to why
this *really* does not apply to the christian, but it is from the
same place the ten commanments come from.

Mikey,

The problem is that the entire Old Covenant was written to Israel; not
the church of God which lives under the New Covenant. The ten
commandments were addressed to Israel beause they are in the Old
Covenant. The Old Covenanat Laws were written to carnal man. The New
Covenant was written to spiritual man.

Right on cue. Ignore what Christ said about it, and only quote OT when it
suits you.
Christ said *specifically* that the law was still in effect. Where
specifically did he enumarate the parts you can ignore?

Bible Bob wrote:
On 19 May 2007 10:54:26 -0700, firemonkey
wrote:


Can you dudes take your bible thumping arguments elsewhere?
This is not the place, TY
firemonkey

Firemonkey,

It is on topic in all of the groups in the header.

BB

Which shows you who did the crossposting.

I would normally snip groups but it is important for people to seed how
BBrain and the other fundies here think.

All of them claim to be right, none of them agree with each other and all
use the same tool as their weapon.
If they had their way this country would make Iraq's religious wars look
like a play yard.
They did it in the past.
These people do more for atheism than we could ever do.

On May 19, 6:11 pm, "Mike Painter" wrote:

Right on cue. Ignore what Christ said about it, and only quote OT when it
suits you.

Personally, I've never understood those who claim to be Christians,
yet feel they have a God-given right and reason to ignore the OT; as
if God had changed His mind. BB falls dangerously close into the
category of heretic with this and other teachings and beliefs he
touts. (Maybe it's not completely his fault; he is a former cultist,
after all - and then, maybe not so former) Nonetheless, his
"teachings" are so far off the mark at times they would be laughable
if they weren't so tragic.

That, along with his megalomaniacal and sadistic need to control and
convince others that they can't possibly know the Bible as well as he
(because he holds the secrets to decoding it), makes his words and
behaviors here decidedly anti-Christ. He does NOT represent
Christianity and certainly not Christ, no matter how much he likes to
label himself a reconciler and Christian Ambassador.

Christ said *specifically* that the law was still in effect. Where
specifically did he enumarate the parts you can ignore?

I'd like to see that, too.