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appropriate age - music / ballet class
"David desJardins" wrote in message ... For ballet in particular, I'd also try hard to steer the child in the direction of dance lessons and styles that I regard as healthy, rather than practicing things that some people think are "artistic" or "beautiful" but which are really bad for the feet. (I don't even approve of high heels.) If you are referring to pointe, you are right, for young feet it's not healthy. If your daughter falls in love with ballet, do not let her go on pointe until her feet are 75% ossified, and her technique is considered by her teacher strong enough to hold her feet up. Children should not be taught pointe, and few ballet schools in the US would allow a girl under 12 to even strap the shoes on. After a year of 20 to 30 minutes a week at the barre, they are may be ready for center work. (My daughter took two years of barre.) So you should not see children dancing on pointe, the youngest performers you should see on pointe are in their teens. If this is followed, ballet is not really bad for the feet any more than soccer is really bad for the knees and ankles or tennis is really bad for the elbows. And, again, I'd primarily approach this through trying to choose between schools or classes based on a similarity of view to my own, rather than trying to discourage the child's enthusiasm. I wanted soccer and tennis players, I got a dancer and an equestrian. I thought well, maybe tap, I can do tap with them...they went for jazz and hip hop. I thought dressage, yes dressage looks lovely, she went for jumping. I think they sense our views, and go the other way. David desJardins |
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Requiring a child to stick to an activity was appropriate age - music / ballet class
In article , Rosalie B. wrote:
Do you mean singing? I was talking about playing an instrument. How can you not reproduce a tune on the piano? As a child I learned to reproduce tunes on piano and on clarinet by reading music and memorizing finger motions. I couldn't always hear when a mistake was made, though, and I certainly couldn't sing. How much do you push music on someone with considerably less than average skill at it? There are circumstances where music is a lost cause I guess, but I haven't had to deal with it. Other than the readin' writin' and 'rithmetic and other things that they learn in school, I think all children should learn how to do various skills for safety and in order to live in their society. Things as varied as how to swim and how to drive a gearshift car. But after the child learns to swim, if they really don't like it, they don't have to be on a swim team for years. Swimming is definitely a life skill that all kids should be taught if possible. It's another one of those things that I got lots of instruction in, but never got any good at. Well that's where swim team would come in - an hour of practice 2 or 3 times a week and you'd get at least good enough to swim to shore from the boat. Practice is the thing. I had swimming lessons enough to be able to swim---weekly for about 6 years. I could swim a few hundred yards, if I didn't suffer from hypothermia---I was a very skinny kid and in those days they didn't heat the pools nearly enough. Although I don't enjoy swimming now (and never really have), I feel that swimming is an important life skill, and my son is getting lessons a couple times a week. I don't know (or care) whether he gets to be a good enough swimmer to be on a swim team or become a lifeguard or a surfer, but I'd like him to have a reasonable chance of survival if he falls of the wharf or into a pool .... We've had some discussion on what the life skills are that a child should learn. I don't think ballet is one of them, although my mom thought it was good for teaching someone to move gracefully. Ballet is only one of many ways to learn to move gracefully, and hardly the most useful. Training in a martial art that uses flowing movements is another route to this goal. I think that learning how to fall safely is a really important life skill, so have my son in aikido classes, for the movement practice and the falling practice. (I sometimes do aikido myself, when my knees will let me.) I never had training in martial arts. I learned to fall in theatre classes. But learning to move gracefully isn't really necessary. Learning to fall is. Gymnasts and horseback riders and vaulters also need to know how to fall. Riders practice involuntary dismounts. There are many ways to learn to fall. Personally, I think that aikido offers some of the best training in it, since it is not an occasional practice, as it is in theater or horseback riding, but a hundreds-of-times an hour practice at every training session. As a martial art, aikido is particularly appealing for teaching kids, because it is wholly defensive. It does not offer training in kicking and punching, but in getting out of the way and redirecting the attack. -- Kevin Karplus http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus life member (LAB, Adventure Cycling, American Youth Hostels) Effective Cycling Instructor #218-ck (lapsed) Professor of Computer Engineering, University of California, Santa Cruz Undergraduate and Graduate Director, Bioinformatics Affiliations for identification only. |
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Child exchange (was appropriate age - music / ballet class)
"Cathy Kearns" wrote in message ... [] I wanted soccer and tennis players, I got a dancer and an equestrian. I thought well, maybe tap, I can do tap with them...they went for jazz and hip hop. I thought dressage, yes dressage looks lovely, she went for jumping.[] I think that this sort of thing happens a lot and I've thinking about what to do about it. Clearly what is neded is a child exchange website. Then we could get all the children and parents matched up properly. g Jayne |
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Requiring a child to stick to an activity was appropriate age - music / ballet class
"Kevin Karplus" wrote in message ... [] There are many ways to learn to fall. Personally, I think that aikido offers some of the best training in it, since it is not an occasional practice, as it is in theater or horseback riding, but a hundreds-of-times an hour practice at every training session. As a martial art, aikido is particularly appealing for teaching kids, because it is wholly defensive. It does not offer training in kicking and punching, but in getting out of the way and redirecting the attack. I didn't feel it was important to teach children to fall until I got to my fourth child. She just seems to have an active and reckless nature. At 4 yo she broke her leg by jumping backwards off the top bunk. When we asked her why she did it she told us, "Jumping off frontwards wasn't enough fun." The day after she got her cast on, she was climbing trees. Once the cast was off we put her in gymnastics, hoping it would teach her to fall and improve her ability to assess risks.. She did that for quite a few years but was not very interested in the competetive aspect (which tends to dominate gymnastics classes). So, a few years ago she switched to circus training. She still does not seem to have developed a sense of caution and says that she would like to be a stunt worker in movies. Other careers she has expressed interest in are joining the army (not for the fighting - basic training appeals to her!) and being a firefighter. I think there are some skills that all children should be exposed to and then there are other skillls that children need because of their particular temperment. This would be one of my considerations in how much I encourage a child to stick to an given activity. Jayne |
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Requiring a child to stick to an activity was appropriate age - music / ballet class
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"Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote: "Kevin Karplus" wrote in message .. . [] There are many ways to learn to fall. Personally, I think that aikido offers some of the best training in it, since it is not an occasional practice, as it is in theater or horseback riding, but a In Pony Club, and involuntary dismount is a required skill and is practiced at increasing paces - starting at the walk. In vaulting (which is not the gymnastic vault with a stationary 'horse' but is done with a real horse trotting or cantering in a circle around the person in the center) it is a skill that is practiced A LOT. hundreds-of-times an hour practice at every training session. As a martial art, aikido is particularly appealing for teaching kids, because it is wholly defensive. It does not offer training in kicking and punching, but in getting out of the way and redirecting the attack. I tried to give my son karate lessons (it was the only martial art available to us - we do live way out in the sticks) and he wasn't interested. Since I was working and I had to rely on him going to practice after school without my riding herd on him, he didn't get very far. I didn't feel it was important to teach children to fall until I got to my fourth child. She just seems to have an active and reckless nature. At 4 yo she broke her leg by jumping backwards off the top bunk. When we asked her why she did it she told us, "Jumping off frontwards wasn't enough fun." The day after she got her cast on, she was climbing trees. Once the cast was off we put her in gymnastics, hoping it would teach her to fall and improve her ability to assess risks.. She did that for quite a few years but was not very interested in the competetive aspect (which tends to dominate gymnastics classes). So, a few years ago she switched to circus training. She still does not seem to have developed a sense of caution and says that she would like to be a stunt worker in movies. Other careers she has expressed interest in are joining the army (not for the fighting - basic training appeals to her!) and being a firefighter. My dd#2 was kind of like that. I forbade her to do a back flip off the diving board after I noticed that she had taken the skin off all the bumps on her spine by coming down too close to the board. She has a dd who is definitely the same way. She has absolutely no fear (dd#2 did have some fears), and will leap into the water at a moments notice and also seems to have some gymnastic ability. OTOH, she doesn't like to get hot and sweaty (difficult when you live in Miami to do any sport that's outdoors). DD#2 has decided on this basis of this that she probably should be a diver. IMHO none of them have enough fast twitch muscle fibers to be a good competitive swimmer. I think there are some skills that all children should be exposed to and then there are other skillls that children need because of their particular temperment. This would be one of my considerations in how much I encourage a child to stick to an given activity. grandma Rosalie |
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Child exchange (was appropriate age - music / ballet class)
In article , "Jayne Kulikauskas"
writes: I think that this sort of thing happens a lot and I've thinking about what to do about it. Clearly what is neded is a child exchange website. Then we could get all the children and parents matched up properly. g I've been matched with a fashion-manic. DD#1 (started middle school Thursday) is big into developing her "look" Personally, I'm a 'comfort over all' type. Given a choice I'd wear jeans or sweats all the time. I don't wear make up at all and, while I don't think it is at all appropriate for middle school, clearly she's going to be allowed to wear it at some point, and is going to need some guidance from someone besides her classmates. I've been considering asking one of my friends to mentor her. -Marjorie |
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Child exchange (was appropriate age - music / ballet class)
LOL! I have the mix, but not a dancer in the bunch! 14yodd is into
softball, volleyball, her clarinet and swimming. 13yodd enjoys soccer and running but her "love" is anything artsy. She is very artistic which I love, and am somewhat envious bc I have no talent whatsoever. My 6yo loves music, singing, etc. but there is no grace. I was blessed with my girls all of them way more athletically inclined than I was, and not a cheerleader amongst them. -- As Always, Anji "Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote in message ... "Cathy Kearns" wrote in message ... [] I wanted soccer and tennis players, I got a dancer and an equestrian. I thought well, maybe tap, I can do tap with them...they went for jazz and hip hop. I thought dressage, yes dressage looks lovely, she went for jumping.[] I think that this sort of thing happens a lot and I've thinking about what to do about it. Clearly what is neded is a child exchange website. Then we could get all the children and parents matched up properly. g Jayne |
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Child exchange (was appropriate age - music / ballet class)
Middle school is where it starts I think. I am not a make up wearer myself,
I hated that the girls were begging for it, and also did not like to see how some of the kids at her school were way tooooo over done. What we agreed on is that upon entering middle school (6th grade) we bought mascara and lipstick. Any makeup such as eyeshadow or liner seen being "sneaked" would result in the loss of everything. The 14th birthday is the big day. At 14 they receive full makeup, a professional (at the mall) makeover with instructions on how to correctly apply without overdoing it. I have seen Lenee go to her friends and give them "pointers". It always makes me smile. Now if only we could come to a compromise on the clothing issues... UGH! -- As Always, Anji "MarjiG" wrote in message ... In article , "Jayne Kulikauskas" writes: I think that this sort of thing happens a lot and I've thinking about what to do about it. Clearly what is neded is a child exchange website. Then we could get all the children and parents matched up properly. g I've been matched with a fashion-manic. DD#1 (started middle school Thursday) is big into developing her "look" Personally, I'm a 'comfort over all' type. Given a choice I'd wear jeans or sweats all the time. I don't wear make up at all and, while I don't think it is at all appropriate for middle school, clearly she's going to be allowed to wear it at some point, and is going to need some guidance from someone besides her classmates. I've been considering asking one of my friends to mentor her. -Marjorie |
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Child exchange (was appropriate age - music / ballet class)
In article k.net, "Labra
Thoren" writes: The 14th birthday is the big day. At 14 they receive full makeup, a professional (at the mall) makeover with instructions on how to correctly apply without overdoing it. I have seen Lenee go to her friends and give them "pointers". It always makes me smile. Now if only we could come to a compromise on the clothing issues... Clothing we're doing reasonably ok on. She has a budget for clothes, that must last the year, and she knows that if she buys something that I don't approve of the money is still spent. We have a consignment store near us that caters to teens, so she can get the brands she wants, without paying a fortune. I like your system for makeup. My ages might be different, but you've got a good system. Let me ask this, does what grade they are in at age 14 matter? One of mine will be starting 8th grade when she turns 14, the other finishing 9th. -Marjorie |
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