As I have reported...

wrote:
ooooooooooooh, no.......................gregory doesn't have to prove
anything about cps................

Of course not. He's a liar and that's known.

all he has to do is point out that
cps has a less than savory reputation and does not enjoy widespread
public support.....................

Nor do garbage men. So what?

CPS has no mandate to field a rooting section. And the public does NOT
want to REALLY know what they do and who they work with and what they
see. Media that prints too much truth about child abuse get little calls
from advertisers about depressing the readership numbers.

And of course, their customers are themselves, a lot of them, child
abusers. Business men know that.

there will be enough former cps
associates around with consciences to do the
rest......................

What, to break confidentiality and REALLY say what parents do to their
children? That they **** their own children, beat them, sell them to
others for drug money, lock them in closets, and sometimes torture them
to death?

No, you won't find many workers talking about that. Some of what they
have seen and dealt with, if told, would make people call them liars,
when they aren't.

The public doesn't know the half of it...as they say, nor the tenth of
the truth.

just ask the irs how much damage former
employees can do to a pathological
bureaucracy..........................

Oh, I see. That makes the need for operational funding of our government
go away, just like CPS should go away so there won't be any child abuse.

Your logic hasn't improved in all the years you've posted her, has it
observer?

0:-


]:^ runs around her dog lot barking you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing................you can't
prove a thing................you can't prove a thing................you
can't prove a thing................you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing.................



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

The racketeering at CPS agencies is underinvestigated and under
prosecuted.

Got any information on how to apply civil RICO to them?

ooooooooooooh, my..................cps has been around for 40
years..............in case you haven't noticed, the world has
changed.................there isn't the money their once was for
funding fat make-work socialist bureaucracies.......................but
if you want to talk about longevity, tell us long has parenting been
around.......................

]:^ runs around her dog lot barking cps has been around for 40
years................cps has been around for 40
years................cps has been around for 40
years................cps has been around for 40
years................cps has been around for 40
years................cps has been around for 40 years.................

now, you little brainless slimeball, would you like to prove that i am,
was, or ever will be observer...............you like
proofs......................now's your time to put up or shut
up............ooooooooooooh, by the way, the fact that no one in their
right mind likes you very much is not a proof.................

]:^ runs around her dog lot barking................she's
observer.......................she's
observer.......................she's
observer.......................she's
observer.......................she's
observer.......................she's observer.......................

rico is based on conspiracy in selective areas.....................but,
no matter how corrupt, gov'ments exempt themselves from most
prosecutions...............the generic name of this protection is
sovereign immunity.................that is one reason why gov'ment
survive as long as they do................it is also why all gov'ments
fail after people have had enough.....................the easiest way
to defeat cps is through application of the sixth and fourteenth
amendments to the process...............get rid of all the closed
proceedings, inquisitions, and tribunals................make the whole
process public and transparent..................enforce equal
protection and due process.....................an informed public gets
rid of gov'ment corruption faster than anything...................that
is why gov'ments protect their secrets so carefully..................

gregory asks about applying anti-racketeering statutes to
cps.................

Greegor wrote:
The racketeering at CPS agencies

I've seen a few cases, well prosecuted.

You know of others?

is underinvestigated and under
prosecuted.

Just how much "investigation" do you feel would be justified?

Please show a cost/benefit ratio for the benefit and cost to the public,
the taxpayers. Thanks.

Got any information on how to apply civil RICO to them?

Sure, give it up unless you have some evidence of racketeering.

Got any that has not been investigated yet? Take action, or you are not
a good citizen.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

As ypu have reported???? What you claimed was:

"1,000 CHILDREN OR MORE DEAD EVERY YEAR AT THE HANDS OF THEY PARENT
PRACTICING CP THAT ESCALATED?"

Now you are trying to deceive us again by changing it to something else?
YOU ARE DESPICABLE, "never-spanked" boy!

Doan


On Fri, 19 May 2006, 0:- wrote:

...the actual rate of child abuse is of far greater magnitude than is
official reported.

That child abuse of all kinds is under reported and when reported under
investigated is a fact.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...l/104/1/S1/168

" Comparison of Estimates of Child Maltreatment, 1993-1995

Enumerating reported cases of child abuse and neglect is merely one way
to assess the magnitude of the problem. Compared with other medical
conditions during childhood, the data indicate that more children are
affected by maltreatment than all other serious illnesses combined.
There also are many cases of abused and neglected children that do not
come to the attention of social service agencies. For example, in
studies of child abuse homicide, only 13% to 35% of the victims have
physical evidence or documented history of maltreatment.9,10 Waiting for
children to be identified by child protective services presumes that
"all abused children are detected, and second, that abuse is repetitive".10

In 1995, the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of
parents, exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by
children throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported
behaviors of apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times
the official rate of abuse (Table 1). Levels of sexual abuse perpetrated
by an adult or older child known to the parent were greater than 10
times the official rate.

These statistics should serve notice that reported cases represent the
lower end of the confidence interval for abuse and neglect. Errors of
false-negative assessment are far more likely to be occurring than are
errors of false-positive reports."

(chart for above narrative at:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...04/1/S1/168/T1 )

As this information covers only the years of 93-95 it is unlikely the
numbers have decreased, but more likely, given the population increase,
these have gone up as well in the ensuing years.

For those of you that think "spanking" is not involved, have a look at
what Gallup was surveying: [from the above quote]

"... the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of parents,
exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by children
throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported behaviors of
apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times the official
rate of abuse (Table 1)."

Sixteen times? Now try to figure out if there were actually a 1,000, to
2,000 fatalities AND hundreds of thousands of injuries.

Then, of course, there is the often voiced claim that parents do not
abuse their children in secret and cause medical conditions:

"The underlying assumption is that the parent is the practitioner's ally
in concern for the welfare of the child.25 This belief has been sorely
questioned by the study published recently involving the use of covert
video surveillance.

Two hospitals in the United Kingdom with technology for covert video
surveillance admitted 39 children with a history of an apparent
life-threatening event. There were concerns on the part of the
practitioners that the illnesses may have been induced. Southall and
colleagues reports that in 33 of the 39 cases initially presenting as an
apparent life-threatening event by parental history, there was shocking
video documentation of child physical abuse.25 This included attempts at
suffocation and poisoning; one child suffered a fracture of the upper
extremity. At baseline, it would be interesting to know how often do
parents lie or fabricate stories to doctors about their children, and
under what circumstances?"

I have viewed videos from those sources, by the way, and they were used
in a documentary some years back on national TV in the US. Obviously
hundreds of thousands of people saw those same images.

That ALL the liars in these newsgroups did NOT is beyond belief.

You people are lying or seriously mentally compromised.

Or, finally, seriously morally compromised if you saw them, remember
them, and continue with your lies for your personal reasons.

More children are abused, by far, than are reported, and if reported,
actually investigated. More are killed, obviously, because it is so very
difficult to track a small child's life. They can be killed and the
event covered up easily by a parent determined to do so.

Continue to be socially irresponsible, if you wish, but don't presume
you aren't obvious in your moral decay.

0:-


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Doan wrote:
As ypu have reported???? What you claimed was:

"1,000 CHILDREN OR MORE DEAD EVERY YEAR AT THE HANDS OF THEY PARENT
PRACTICING CP THAT ESCALATED?"

Now you are trying to deceive us again by changing it to something else?

Posting additional information on a subject is "deceiving?"

Is that why you offer so LITTLE supporting evidence for your wild
claims? Afraid you might deceive someone? Hell, you are all about
deception, Doan.

YOU ARE DESPICABLE, "never-spanked" boy!

Coming from you a rare compliment. Imagine, I give you more information
corroborating the subjects I bring up and you claim it's to 'deceive.'

Would you say the same is true of professors, researchers, doctors, even
you plumber, expanding your knowledge with more information?

Doan

Now you are down to simple desperation, but then you were with the Alina
incident, weren't you, Droany?

A life of lies and deceptions. Most likely as reaction to finding as a
little child your parents really did NOT love you, or they wouldn't have
assaulted you then insulted your intelligence by telling you it was
because they loved you.

0:-




On Fri, 19 May 2006, 0:- wrote:

...the actual rate of child abuse is of far greater magnitude than is
official reported.

That child abuse of all kinds is under reported and when reported under
investigated is a fact.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...l/104/1/S1/168

" Comparison of Estimates of Child Maltreatment, 1993-1995

Enumerating reported cases of child abuse and neglect is merely one way
to assess the magnitude of the problem. Compared with other medical
conditions during childhood, the data indicate that more children are
affected by maltreatment than all other serious illnesses combined.
There also are many cases of abused and neglected children that do not
come to the attention of social service agencies. For example, in
studies of child abuse homicide, only 13% to 35% of the victims have
physical evidence or documented history of maltreatment.9,10 Waiting for
children to be identified by child protective services presumes that
"all abused children are detected, and second, that abuse is repetitive".10

In 1995, the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of
parents, exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by
children throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported
behaviors of apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times
the official rate of abuse (Table 1). Levels of sexual abuse perpetrated
by an adult or older child known to the parent were greater than 10
times the official rate.

These statistics should serve notice that reported cases represent the
lower end of the confidence interval for abuse and neglect. Errors of
false-negative assessment are far more likely to be occurring than are
errors of false-positive reports."

(chart for above narrative at:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...04/1/S1/168/T1 )

As this information covers only the years of 93-95 it is unlikely the
numbers have decreased, but more likely, given the population increase,
these have gone up as well in the ensuing years.

For those of you that think "spanking" is not involved, have a look at
what Gallup was surveying: [from the above quote]

"... the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of parents,
exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by children
throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported behaviors of
apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times the official
rate of abuse (Table 1)."

Sixteen times? Now try to figure out if there were actually a 1,000, to
2,000 fatalities AND hundreds of thousands of injuries.

Then, of course, there is the often voiced claim that parents do not
abuse their children in secret and cause medical conditions:

"The underlying assumption is that the parent is the practitioner's ally
in concern for the welfare of the child.25 This belief has been sorely
questioned by the study published recently involving the use of covert
video surveillance.

Two hospitals in the United Kingdom with technology for covert video
surveillance admitted 39 children with a history of an apparent
life-threatening event. There were concerns on the part of the
practitioners that the illnesses may have been induced. Southall and
colleagues reports that in 33 of the 39 cases initially presenting as an
apparent life-threatening event by parental history, there was shocking
video documentation of child physical abuse.25 This included attempts at
suffocation and poisoning; one child suffered a fracture of the upper
extremity. At baseline, it would be interesting to know how often do
parents lie or fabricate stories to doctors about their children, and
under what circumstances?"

I have viewed videos from those sources, by the way, and they were used
in a documentary some years back on national TV in the US. Obviously
hundreds of thousands of people saw those same images.

That ALL the liars in these newsgroups did NOT is beyond belief.

You people are lying or seriously mentally compromised.

Or, finally, seriously morally compromised if you saw them, remember
them, and continue with your lies for your personal reasons.

More children are abused, by far, than are reported, and if reported,
actually investigated. More are killed, obviously, because it is so very
difficult to track a small child's life. They can be killed and the
event covered up easily by a parent determined to do so.

Continue to be socially irresponsible, if you wish, but don't presume
you aren't obvious in your moral decay.

0:-


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

On Mon, 22 May 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
As ypu have reported???? What you claimed was:

"1,000 CHILDREN OR MORE DEAD EVERY YEAR AT THE HANDS OF THEY PARENT
PRACTICING CP THAT ESCALATED?"

Now you are trying to deceive us again by changing it to something else?

Posting additional information on a subject is "deceiving?"

Misrepresentation is "deceiving"! In other words, you are a LIAR!

Is that why you offer so LITTLE supporting evidence for your wild
claims? Afraid you might deceive someone? Hell, you are all about
deception, Doan.

Hihihi! That's you, STUPID!

YOU ARE DESPICABLE, "never-spanked" boy!

Coming from you a rare compliment. Imagine, I give you more information
corroborating the subjects I bring up and you claim it's to 'deceive.'

I wasn't meant to be a compliment, STUPID! ;-)

Would you say the same is true of professors, researchers, doctors, even
you plumber, expanding your knowledge with more information?

Hihihi! You are them. You are ignoranus kanus!


Doan

Now you are down to simple desperation, but then you were with the Alina
incident, weren't you, Droany?

Hihihi! You meant yours Alina incident, where you accused her, just like
you accused beccafromlalaland?

A life of lies and deceptions. Most likely as reaction to finding as a
little child your parents really did NOT love you, or they wouldn't have
assaulted you then insulted your intelligence by telling you it was
because they loved you.

Hihihi! Just like your mom teaching you to say "smelly-****" because she
loved you?

;-)

0:-




On Fri, 19 May 2006, 0:- wrote:

...the actual rate of child abuse is of far greater magnitude than is
official reported.

That child abuse of all kinds is under reported and when reported under
investigated is a fact.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...l/104/1/S1/168

" Comparison of Estimates of Child Maltreatment, 1993-1995

Enumerating reported cases of child abuse and neglect is merely one way
to assess the magnitude of the problem. Compared with other medical
conditions during childhood, the data indicate that more children are
affected by maltreatment than all other serious illnesses combined.
There also are many cases of abused and neglected children that do not
come to the attention of social service agencies. For example, in
studies of child abuse homicide, only 13% to 35% of the victims have
physical evidence or documented history of maltreatment.9,10 Waiting for
children to be identified by child protective services presumes that
"all abused children are detected, and second, that abuse is repetitive".10

In 1995, the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of
parents, exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by
children throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported
behaviors of apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times
the official rate of abuse (Table 1). Levels of sexual abuse perpetrated
by an adult or older child known to the parent were greater than 10
times the official rate.

These statistics should serve notice that reported cases represent the
lower end of the confidence interval for abuse and neglect. Errors of
false-negative assessment are far more likely to be occurring than are
errors of false-positive reports."

(chart for above narrative at:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...04/1/S1/168/T1 )

As this information covers only the years of 93-95 it is unlikely the
numbers have decreased, but more likely, given the population increase,
these have gone up as well in the ensuing years.

For those of you that think "spanking" is not involved, have a look at
what Gallup was surveying: [from the above quote]

"... the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of parents,
exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by children
throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported behaviors of
apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times the official
rate of abuse (Table 1)."

Sixteen times? Now try to figure out if there were actually a 1,000, to
2,000 fatalities AND hundreds of thousands of injuries.

Then, of course, there is the often voiced claim that parents do not
abuse their children in secret and cause medical conditions:

"The underlying assumption is that the parent is the practitioner's ally
in concern for the welfare of the child.25 This belief has been sorely
questioned by the study published recently involving the use of covert
video surveillance.

Two hospitals in the United Kingdom with technology for covert video
surveillance admitted 39 children with a history of an apparent
life-threatening event. There were concerns on the part of the
practitioners that the illnesses may have been induced. Southall and
colleagues reports that in 33 of the 39 cases initially presenting as an
apparent life-threatening event by parental history, there was shocking
video documentation of child physical abuse.25 This included attempts at
suffocation and poisoning; one child suffered a fracture of the upper
extremity. At baseline, it would be interesting to know how often do
parents lie or fabricate stories to doctors about their children, and
under what circumstances?"

I have viewed videos from those sources, by the way, and they were used
in a documentary some years back on national TV in the US. Obviously
hundreds of thousands of people saw those same images.

That ALL the liars in these newsgroups did NOT is beyond belief.

You people are lying or seriously mentally compromised.

Or, finally, seriously morally compromised if you saw them, remember
them, and continue with your lies for your personal reasons.

More children are abused, by far, than are reported, and if reported,
actually investigated. More are killed, obviously, because it is so very
difficult to track a small child's life. They can be killed and the
event covered up easily by a parent determined to do so.

Continue to be socially irresponsible, if you wish, but don't presume
you aren't obvious in your moral decay.

0:-


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Doan wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
As ypu have reported???? What you claimed was:

"1,000 CHILDREN OR MORE DEAD EVERY YEAR AT THE HANDS OF THEY PARENT
PRACTICING CP THAT ESCALATED?"

Now you are trying to deceive us again by changing it to something else?
Posting additional information on a subject is "deceiving?"

Misrepresentation is "deceiving"!

And I misrepresented what?

In other words, you are a LIAR!

You haven't shown that.

Is that why you offer so LITTLE supporting evidence for your wild
claims? Afraid you might deceive someone? Hell, you are all about
deception, Doan.

Hihihi! That's you, STUPID!

Nope. It's you.

YOU ARE DESPICABLE, "never-spanked" boy!
Coming from you a rare compliment. Imagine, I give you more information
corroborating the subjects I bring up and you claim it's to 'deceive.'

I wasn't meant to be a compliment, STUPID! ;-)

You thought I believed it was, Stupid?

Would you say the same is true of professors, researchers, doctors, even
you plumber, expanding your knowledge with more information?

Hihihi! You are them. You are ignoranus kanus!

You are desperate. And that's all you are.

Doan
Now you are down to simple desperation, but then you were with the Alina
incident, weren't you, Droany?

Hihihi! You meant yours Alina incident, where you accused her, just like
you accused beccafromlalaland?

A life of lies and deceptions. Most likely as reaction to finding as a
little child your parents really did NOT love you, or they wouldn't have
assaulted you then insulted your intelligence by telling you it was
because they loved you.

Hihihi! Just like your mom teaching you to say "smelly-****" because she
loved you?

I can't recall her ever doing that. On the other hand she had no problem
with exposing ****heels such as you.

You are a supporter of child abuse.

That simple enough for you?

You likely, if any women is stupid enough to mate with you, will abuse
your own children and call it love, and you'll make them as sick as you
are.

0:-




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)