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Old May 21st 04, 08:34 PM
Circe
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Todd Gastaldo wrote:
The recent recommendations that all singleton term breeches be
taken by c-section was based upon studies of breech births with
the birth canal senselessly closed up to 30%.


...and on studies that were flawed in other ways
as well (though some studies show that vaginal breech birth
is quite sensible in some situations). Nevertheless, with
so few practitioners trained to do vaginal breech births
safely, it often becomes a moot point :-(

Moreover, it sounds like Amy's baby is a full footling breech, which is a
type of breech that even practitioners skilled and experienced in delivering
breech babies are seldom willing to tackle.
--
Be well, Barbara
Mom to Sin (Vernon, 2), Misery (Aurora, 4), and the Rising Son (Julian, 6)

Aurora (in the bathroom with her dad)--"It looks like an elephant, Daddy."
Me (later)--"You should feel flattered."

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fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman


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Old May 21st 04, 08:35 PM
Circe
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Welches wrote:
Todd Gastaldo wrote in message
k.net...
OBs are driving up both the cesarean rate and the external version
rate by senselessly closing birth canals up to 30%.

I thought you'd forgotten something on your first post ;-)


ROFLMAO!
--
Be well, Barbara
Mom to Sin (Vernon, 2), Misery (Aurora, 4), and the Rising Son (Julian, 6)

Aurora (in the bathroom with her dad)--"It looks like an elephant, Daddy."
Me (later)--"You should feel flattered."

All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful.
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other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a
fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman


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Old May 21st 04, 10:38 PM
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"Circe" wrote in message
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Todd Gastaldo wrote:
The recent recommendations that all singleton term breeches be
taken by c-section was based upon studies of breech births with
the birth canal senselessly closed up to 30%.


...and on studies that were flawed in other ways
as well (though some studies show that vaginal breech birth
is quite sensible in some situations). Nevertheless, with
so few practitioners trained to do vaginal breech births
safely, it often becomes a moot point :-(

Moreover, it sounds like Amy's baby is a full footling breech, which is a
type of breech that even practitioners skilled and experienced in

delivering
breech babies are seldom willing to tackle.


Yes, it does appear that she is full footling, from what my midwife could
make out from the scan notes (let's say the tech was not the best of
artists, but she 'appears' to be a human baby ;-)

~Amy


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Old May 21st 04, 10:45 PM
Amy
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Thanks for the tips Ericka :-)

"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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Amy wrote:

Well, little Ana has decided she prefers to stay upright at nearly 33

weeks,
with her feet firmly planted on my cervix - ouch!
In fact two midwives who examined me failed to pick up that she was

still
breech, because of how far her head was under my ribs. My midwife was a
little shocked and said it was an unusual place for a baby's head to be

at
33 weeks - in fact when I had my u/s, the doppler was not far under my
breast while they were looking at her brain!
She isn't trying to panic me, but she thought that considering we are
inducing at 38 weeks it might me a good idea to start doing something

about
it, and has given me some kind of homeopathic remedy - three little
tablets - to try and help, and said if that doesn't work there is some

kind
of chinese thing they'll try, I can't remember the name of it. I've also

got
to spend a lot of time eating carpet with my feet in the air, yay,

sounds
like lots of fun with my bad back...
She said if they're still breech at 36 weeks they often get stuck that

way
and don't really want to move.
Other than the methods above, does anyone have any tips on how to get

this
little one head down, scientifically proven or otherwise? The

homeopathic
stuff certainly didn't sound very scientific, I asked her what you could
possibly put in a tablet that would make a baby want to stand on its
head...but whatever works.


Check out http://www.gentlebirth.org/prenatal/breech.htm.
If these things don't work, check out external version with a
very skilled practitioner at around 37 weeks.

Good luck,
Ericka



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Old May 21st 04, 11:34 PM
Amy
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Thanks, that site looks good, I'll give some of those positions a go :-)

"Marion Boulden" wrote in message
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Amy wrote:

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Other than the methods above, does anyone have any tips on how to get

this
little one head down, scientifically proven or otherwise? The

homeopathic
stuff certainly didn't sound very scientific, I asked her what you could
possibly put in a tablet that would make a baby want to stand on its
head...but whatever works.


Take a look at http://www.spinningbabies.com/

cheers,
Marion
EDD 10/16/04




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Old May 22nd 04, 02:17 AM
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Jaime wrote:

Yeah, I have a friend whose first baby was breach, and she was going to have
an external version done. Then another friend of hers told her that it was
really painful, and she could end up needing a c-section anyway, so rather
than try at all, she opted straight to the c-section. At the time, I was on
this board, and reading so many stories of womans experiences with the
external versions, some painful, some leading to a c-section, and so many of
them relatively painless. I did tell her about how many woman I'd heard of
who didn't consider it a painful experience, but her mind was made up. I
thought (and still think) she was nuts to just opt straight for the
c-section. Especially for the first baby. Oh well, to each their own.


I work in L&D and I worked up to 39 weeks. When I was about 37 weeks pregnant
I had a patient who had just had a c section after a failed version. She went
on and on and ON about how painful the version was and what a horrible
experience it was. Told me not to do it and to go straight for the c section.
Way to scare the 37 week pregnant woman! Haha.

Turns out that after two failed versions, I ended up a c section. But it was
important to me to try everything I could. And actually, my patient was right,
it was very painful for me! It wasn't a good experience because no matter how
hard I tried, I got my hopes up that she would turn and she didn't, so there
were lots of tears from me. I think it was so painful because of the way she
was positioned (complete breech, basically cross legged.) It was a pain I
couldn't handle very well, the pain of the c section was easy for me to handle.
Strange. Doesn't mean I wouldn't try a version again if my next baby happens
to be breech.

Nichole
mom to 5 month old Salome, who wanted to come out the window instead of the
door
http://public.fotki.com/sealmyfate/

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Old May 22nd 04, 03:23 PM
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Nichole said:

Doesn't mean I wouldn't try a version again if my next baby happens
to be breech.


I've had three sections, two for breech babies. I recall the version attempt
(only did it the once because the second breech was a surprise at 8 cm
dilation) as unpleasant, but nothing as compared to the pain of a c-section.
Not to mention that the pain of a version lasts for a few minutes, while that
of a section can last for weeks, not to mention permanent scars, and, for me at
least, emotional trauma at missing a vaginal delivery. Personally, if this
baby is breech, I plan to try any means there are to turn it.

Leslie


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Old May 22nd 04, 05:13 PM
Todd Gastaldo
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Default Pregnant women: Get off your asses!

PREGNANT WOMEN: GET OFF YOUR ASSES!

Barbara (Circe) humorously remarked (about two years ago):

"Isn't Todd Gastaldo constantly raging over in the mkp that the Miracle of
Birth *does* mean most
women sit (or semi-sit) on their asses g?"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

I don't think I had ever used the word "asses" in regard to birth position.

And I don't think I have since...

But I might as well use it...so here goes...

PREGNANT WOMEN: Get off your asses!

Sorry to "constantly rage" about this but...

If you are on your backs or butts (on your asses) as you push your babies
out, you are senselessly closing your birth canals up to 30%.

Most babies seem to do "fine" being born through birth canals senselessly
closed up to 30%.

But some babies are likely DYING as a consequence: OBs themselves have
indicated that closing the birth canal FAR LESS than 30% can kill and
Australian obstetrician Norman Beischer, MD once guessed that 10 to 15% of
stillbirths were just fine right before delivery.

Also, there are unexplained paralyses at birth - and unexplained motor and
perceptual difficulties later in life...

An estimated 4.6% of "healthy" term babies suffer unexplained brain bleeds.

I'm thinking some deaths and paralyses and brain bleeds might easily be
prevented.

But even if some deaths and paralyses and brain bleeds *can't* be prevented,
why let your OB or CNMwife close your birth canal up to 30%?

Thanks for reading,

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo



PS1 As might be expected, closing birth canals up to 30% isn't the only
massive crime MDs are committing.

See Various MD crimes (obvious ones)...
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2541

As usual, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. MDs are just
academic prime cuts forced through this culture's most powerful mental
meatgrinder - medical school.

PS2 I happened to remember Barbara's (Circe's) humorous "constantly raging"
"asses" remark from two years ago (see above) - as a consequence of
negligently forgetting to mention in a recent post that OBs are closing
birth canals up to 30%.

Debbie (Welches) humorously responded to my negligent omission...

"I *thought* you'd forgotten something... ;-)" (emphasis added)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Barbara (Circe) responded:

"ROFLMAO!"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...utput= gplain

There's that word "Ass" again - ROFLMAO sometimes means Rolling On the Floor
Laughing My Ass Off.

PREGNANT WOMEN: Roll, laugh - maybe turn onto your side? - just make sure
you are Off Your Ass when you push your baby out...

Otherwise you will be closing your birth canal up to 30% - i.e. - you will
literally be On Your Baby's Head - Maybe Hurting Your Baby's Brain - Maybe
Causing a Brain Bleed.

I wouldn't "constantly rage" about OBs and CNMwives closing birth canals up
to 30% if OBs and CNMwives weren't constantly doing it.


 




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