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"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "carole" wrote: Note - silica, silicon, and sililic acid are interchangeable. In which universe? These are the various names that supplements go by - silica, silicon, silicon dioxide and siliclic acid. They all address silica deficiencies. Good article on the value of silica at http://www.orgoneproducts.org/orgone_g5silica.php -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -William Pitt (1759-1806) |
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On 9/29/10 9:05 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... On 9/29/10 2:18 AM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 9/28/10 9:48 PM, carole wrote: Silica, silicon, silicon dioxide, siliclic acid - any of these ring a bell? Silica is also beneficial for bone growth and arterial health, amongst other things. Silica is harmful and can cause inflamation if inside the body. It is not absorbed by the body. Get a clue errol. Studies have shown that silica is a vital nutrient, go do some homework in pubmed or one of your research books. I did. It is a toxin. That's about it. How about silicon dioxide? Bottom line is that silicon is not a nutrient for humans. If I am incorrect, show me *good* evidence. WHO FOOD ADDITIVES SERIES NO. 5 http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm From that report: Very small amounts of silica are normally present in all body tissues but there is no evidence that they play any physiological role. Are you stupid, or maybe you just can't read? Note - silica, silicon, and sililic acid are interchangeable. http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm From this reference: "The available data on orally administered silica and silicates, including flumed silicon dioxide, appear to substantiate the biological inertness of these compounds." Chicken "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept in a trace element controlled environment and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. The diet of the test groups was supplemented with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3ś9H2O) at a level of 100 mg/kg. 114 chickens were in the control groups and 114 chickens in the test groups. Growth rates and the appearance of the animals were evaluated at two- to three- day intervals. The animals were killed at the end of a 25- to 35- day period. Gross pathology and histological examinations were carried out on the organs of each chick. Differences between the chicks on the basal and silicon-supplemented diets were noted after one to two weeks. At the twenty-third day of the study the average weight for the low silicon group was 76 g compared to a weight of 116 g for the supplemented group (p 0.02). The average daily weight gain for the control groups was 2.57 g and that of the test groups reached 3.85 g (p 0.01). The animals on the basal diet were smaller and all their organs appeared relatively atrophied as compared to the test chickens. The leg bones of the deficient birds were shorter, of smaller circumference and thinner cortex. The metatarsal bones were relatively flexible and the femur and tibia fractured more easily under pressure than those of the supplemented group. Thus the effect of silicon on skeletal development indicates that it plays an important role in an early stage of bone formation (Carlisle, 1972)." From a 40-year old study. Big deal. So if this information has been known for 40 how do you explain the lag in having it known to the medical establishment? You're making the wrong assumption that the info has real value in human health. Jeff |
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On 9/29/10 9:11 AM, carole wrote:
"Peter wrote in message ... wrote: Note - silica, silicon, and sililic acid are interchangeable. In which universe? These are the various names that supplements go by - silica, silicon, silicon dioxide and siliclic acid. They all address silica deficiencies. Good article on the value of silica at http://www.orgoneproducts.org/orgone_g5silica.php It shows you how little the people selling you expensive supplements know. And how little they care about, except for your money. Jeff |
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"Bob Officer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:37:50 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, Peter Bowditch wrote: "carole" wrote: Note - silica, silicon, and sililic acid are interchangeable. In which universe? Well Carole Believes that it is true. I need to find her post where she states "Silicon, Silica and Silicon Dioxide and Silicates and Silicon are all the samethings." Carole had no idea what Sililic Acid was until I mentioned it. You've got no idea what it is because its spelled silicic -- not sililic. -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -William Pitt (1759-1806) |
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"Bob Officer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:05:07 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 9/29/10 2:18 AM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 9/28/10 9:48 PM, carole wrote: Silica, silicon, silicon dioxide, siliclic acid - any of these ring a bell? Silica is also beneficial for bone growth and arterial health, amongst other things. Silica is harmful and can cause inflamation if inside the body. It is not absorbed by the body. Get a clue errol. Studies have shown that silica is a vital nutrient, go do some homework in pubmed or one of your research books. I did. It is a toxin. That's about it. How about silicon dioxide? Bottom line is that silicon is not a nutrient for humans. If I am incorrect, show me *good* evidence. WHO FOOD ADDITIVES SERIES NO. 5 http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm From that report: Very small amounts of silica are normally present in all body tissues but there is no evidence that they play any physiological role. Are you stupid, or maybe you just can't read? Note - silica, silicon, and sililic acid are interchangeable. http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm From this reference: "The available data on orally administered silica and silicates, including flumed silicon dioxide, appear to substantiate the biological inertness of these compounds." Chicken "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept in a trace element controlled environment and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. The diet of the test groups was supplemented with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3˝9H2O) at a level of 100 mg/kg. 114 chickens were in the control groups and 114 chickens in the test groups. Growth rates and the appearance of the animals were evaluated at two- to three- day intervals. The animals were killed at the end of a 25- to 35- day period. Gross pathology and histological examinations were carried out on the organs of each chick. Differences between the chicks on the basal and silicon-supplemented diets were noted after one to two weeks. At the twenty-third day of the study the average weight for the low silicon group was 76 g compared to a weight of 116 g for the supplemented group (p 0.02). The average daily weight gain for the control groups was 2.57 g and that of the test groups reached 3.85 g (p 0.01). The animals on the basal diet were smaller and all their organs appeared relatively atrophied as compared to the test chickens. The leg bones of the deficient birds were shorter, of smaller circumference and thinner cortex. The metatarsal bones were relatively flexible and the femur and tibia fractured more easily under pressure than those of the supplemented group. Thus the effect of silicon on skeletal development indicates that it plays an important role in an early stage of bone formation (Carlisle, 1972)." From a 40-year old study. Big deal. So if this information has been known for 40 how do you explain the lag in having it known to the medical establishment? Carole it was an artificial environment. They artificially deprived the chickens of all silicon compounds normally available in the natural diet. The other Chickens were feed an enriched diet supplemented with Additional Silicates. The Test does not say what you think it says. I suggest you re-read: Cite Comment "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept|Describes test subjects in a trace element controlled environment |They were deprived of |natural trace element and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. |Note" the word synthetic The diet of the test groups |Which of the two groups |was target was supplemented |Do you see that word with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3˝9H2O) |That is not silica or even |silicon dioxide at a level of 100 mg/kg. |that is about 10-15x the |normal level found in |natural diets /cite |/comments What the study doesn't say plainly is the artificial control environment allowed them to deprive the "control group" of any foods containing "Silica" or any other "trace minerals", and then "test Group" was given suppliments at least 10 to 15 times the level of Silica compounds (Sodium Silicate) found non-artifical non-enriched diets. In other words they created a false or artificial group as a control. and then Created a second set of groups with outlandish Suppliments. So you can understand a "dumbed down" version just for Carole. They Starved one group and over fed the Second Group and then remarked about the disparity between the two groups. Not really much a study, is it Carole? Do See why you have to read critically? If I were you I would have start to doubt the validity of the so called "Briggs-Myers Type Test" you claimed to have taken. It is plain to just about everyone else but you, that you are not a master mind or able to see any sort of a big picture. The test showed that chickens deprived of silica developed abnormalities. That's the bottom line. http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.c...on/silicon.htm What Silica Does: Formation of collagen for bones and connective tissue For healthy nails, skin, and hair Calcium absorption in the early stages of bone formation Needed to maintain flexible arteries Counteracts the effects of aluminum on the body and is important in the prevention of Alzheimer's disease Prevention of osteoporosis Stimulates the immune system Inhibits the aging process in tissues Helps guard against certain heart and circulatory diseases Believed to help prevent falling hair -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -William Pitt (1759-1806) |
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On 10/1/10 6:18 AM, carole wrote:
"Bob wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:05:07 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, wrote: wrote in message ... On 9/29/10 2:18 AM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 9/28/10 9:48 PM, carole wrote: Silica, silicon, silicon dioxide, siliclic acid - any of these ring a bell? Silica is also beneficial for bone growth and arterial health, amongst other things. Silica is harmful and can cause inflamation if inside the body. It is not absorbed by the body. Get a clue errol. Studies have shown that silica is a vital nutrient, go do some homework in pubmed or one of your research books. I did. It is a toxin. That's about it. How about silicon dioxide? Bottom line is that silicon is not a nutrient for humans. If I am incorrect, show me *good* evidence. WHO FOOD ADDITIVES SERIES NO. 5 http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm From that report: Very small amounts of silica are normally present in all body tissues but there is no evidence that they play any physiological role. Are you stupid, or maybe you just can't read? Note - silica, silicon, and sililic acid are interchangeable. http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm From this reference: "The available data on orally administered silica and silicates, including flumed silicon dioxide, appear to substantiate the biological inertness of these compounds." Chicken "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept in a trace element controlled environment and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. The diet of the test groups was supplemented with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3˝9H2O) at a level of 100 mg/kg. 114 chickens were in the control groups and 114 chickens in the test groups. Growth rates and the appearance of the animals were evaluated at two- to three- day intervals. The animals were killed at the end of a 25- to 35- day period. Gross pathology and histological examinations were carried out on the organs of each chick. Differences between the chicks on the basal and silicon-supplemented diets were noted after one to two weeks. At the twenty-third day of the study the average weight for the low silicon group was 76 g compared to a weight of 116 g for the supplemented group (p 0.02). The average daily weight gain for the control groups was 2.57 g and that of the test groups reached 3.85 g (p 0.01). The animals on the basal diet were smaller and all their organs appeared relatively atrophied as compared to the test chickens. The leg bones of the deficient birds were shorter, of smaller circumference and thinner cortex. The metatarsal bones were relatively flexible and the femur and tibia fractured more easily under pressure than those of the supplemented group. Thus the effect of silicon on skeletal development indicates that it plays an important role in an early stage of bone formation (Carlisle, 1972)." From a 40-year old study. Big deal. So if this information has been known for 40 how do you explain the lag in having it known to the medical establishment? Carole it was an artificial environment. They artificially deprived the chickens of all silicon compounds normally available in the natural diet. The other Chickens were feed an enriched diet supplemented with Additional Silicates. The Test does not say what you think it says. I suggest you re-read: Cite Comment "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept|Describes test subjects in a trace element controlled environment |They were deprived of |natural trace element and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. |Note" the word synthetic The diet of the test groups |Which of the two groups |was target was supplemented |Do you see that word with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3˝9H2O) |That is not silica or even |silicon dioxide at a level of 100 mg/kg. |that is about 10-15x the |normal level found in |natural diets /cite |/comments What the study doesn't say plainly is the artificial control environment allowed them to deprive the "control group" of any foods containing "Silica" or any other "trace minerals", and then "test Group" was given suppliments at least 10 to 15 times the level of Silica compounds (Sodium Silicate) found non-artifical non-enriched diets. In other words they created a false or artificial group as a control. and then Created a second set of groups with outlandish Suppliments. So you can understand a "dumbed down" version just for Carole. They Starved one group and over fed the Second Group and then remarked about the disparity between the two groups. Not really much a study, is it Carole? Do See why you have to read critically? If I were you I would have start to doubt the validity of the so called "Briggs-Myers Type Test" you claimed to have taken. It is plain to just about everyone else but you, that you are not a master mind or able to see any sort of a big picture. The test showed that chickens deprived of silica developed abnormalities. That's the bottom line. http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.c...on/silicon.htm What Silica Does: Formation of collagen for bones and connective tissue For healthy nails, skin, and hair Calcium absorption in the early stages of bone formation Needed to maintain flexible arteries Counteracts the effects of aluminum on the body and is important in the prevention of Alzheimer's disease Prevention of osteoporosis Stimulates the immune system Inhibits the aging process in tissues Helps guard against certain heart and circulatory diseases Believed to help prevent falling hair You got this from the side of the bottle or an ad, right? Do you really believe ads? Jeff |
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 9/29/10 9:05 AM, carole wrote: From this reference: "The available data on orally administered silica and silicates, including flumed silicon dioxide, appear to substantiate the biological inertness of these compounds." Chicken "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept in a trace element controlled environment and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. The diet of the test groups was supplemented with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3ś9H2O) at a level of 100 mg/kg. 114 chickens were in the control groups and 114 chickens in the test groups. Growth rates and the appearance of the animals were evaluated at two- to three- day intervals. The animals were killed at the end of a 25- to 35- day period. Gross pathology and histological examinations were carried out on the organs of each chick. Differences between the chicks on the basal and silicon-supplemented diets were noted after one to two weeks. At the twenty-third day of the study the average weight for the low silicon group was 76 g compared to a weight of 116 g for the supplemented group (p 0.02). The average daily weight gain for the control groups was 2.57 g and that of the test groups reached 3.85 g (p 0.01). The animals on the basal diet were smaller and all their organs appeared relatively atrophied as compared to the test chickens. The leg bones of the deficient birds were shorter, of smaller circumference and thinner cortex. The metatarsal bones were relatively flexible and the femur and tibia fractured more easily under pressure than those of the supplemented group. Thus the effect of silicon on skeletal development indicates that it plays an important role in an early stage of bone formation (Carlisle, 1972)." From a 40-year old study. Big deal. So if this information has been known for 40 how do you explain the lag in having it known to the medical establishment? You're making the wrong assumption that the info has real value in human health. I don't think so. Silica, silicon dioxide, silicic acid are all established as necessary nutrients by people who know nutrition. http://www.orgoneproducts.org/orgone_g5silica.php silicic acid Silicon (silicic acid), which comes from the latin word silex meaning flint, is ... A deficiency of silicic acid is associated with a number of health problems. ... www.silicol.com/acid_facts.html -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." —William Pitt (1759-1806) |
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On 10/1/10 6:26 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... On 9/29/10 9:05 AM, carole wrote: From this reference: "The available data on orally administered silica and silicates, including flumed silicon dioxide, appear to substantiate the biological inertness of these compounds." Chicken "Day-old deutectomized cockerels were kept in a trace element controlled environment and fed a synthetic low silicon diet. The diet of the test groups was supplemented with sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3ś9H2O) at a level of 100 mg/kg. 114 chickens were in the control groups and 114 chickens in the test groups. Growth rates and the appearance of the animals were evaluated at two- to three- day intervals. The animals were killed at the end of a 25- to 35- day period. Gross pathology and histological examinations were carried out on the organs of each chick. Differences between the chicks on the basal and silicon-supplemented diets were noted after one to two weeks. At the twenty-third day of the study the average weight for the low silicon group was 76 g compared to a weight of 116 g for the supplemented group (p 0.02). The average daily weight gain for the control groups was 2.57 g and that of the test groups reached 3.85 g (p 0.01). The animals on the basal diet were smaller and all their organs appeared relatively atrophied as compared to the test chickens. The leg bones of the deficient birds were shorter, of smaller circumference and thinner cortex. The metatarsal bones were relatively flexible and the femur and tibia fractured more easily under pressure than those of the supplemented group. Thus the effect of silicon on skeletal development indicates that it plays an important role in an early stage of bone formation (Carlisle, 1972)." From a 40-year old study. Big deal. So if this information has been known for 40 how do you explain the lag in having it known to the medical establishment? You're making the wrong assumption that the info has real value in human health. I don't think so. Silica, silicon dioxide, silicic acid are all established as necessary nutrients by people who know nutrition. http://www.orgoneproducts.org/orgone_g5silica.php silicic acid Silicon (silicic acid), which comes from the latin word silex meaning flint, is ... A deficiency of silicic acid is associated with a number of health problems. ... www.silicol.com/acid_facts.html Wrong, they have been established as necessary nutrients by those who sell them. You keep saying that pharmacuetical companies are out to make money. Do you think they are selling this out of the goodness of their hearts? If I am wrong, please provide the good peer-reviewed evidence that shows that these silicon compounds are necessary for human health and that we don't already get enough in our regular diets. Jeff |
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.com: http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.c...on/silicon.htm This site is trying to sell you something: http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.c...pping_cart.htm For rather obvious reasons, claims made by commercial sites are somewhat suspect. -- The trouble with the World is that the stupid are so confident while the intelligent are full of doubt. -Bertrand Russell |
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 9/28/10 9:48 PM, carole wrote: WHO FOOD ADDITIVES SERIES NO. 5 http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v05je04.htm This reference says that silicon has no known physiological function. The Importance of Silicon http://www.ultimatesg.com/22mayjarrowsilicon.html "Silicon is a trace mineral required for the formation of healthy connective tissue, bone, skin, hair and nails. Silicon is essential for collagen formation, healthy arteries and regulates calcium deposition in bones.* BioSil's active silicon is an essential partner of calcium for bones, glucosamine for joints Absorption is Key. Dietary sources of silicon such as those found in food, horsetail and colloidal gel (silica) products are very poorly absorbed because of their insoluble, polymerized forms. For absorption to occur, dietary silicon must be first converted to Orthosilicic Acid (monomeric silicic acid), the bioavailable form found in BioSil™. Why is BioSil™ Different? BioSil™ (Si[OH]4) is 20,000 times more soluble than silica(SiO2 — found in horsetail and colloidal gels) and 2.5 times more bioavailable than other forms of silicon! The superiority of silicon as concentrated, choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid from BioSil™ has been proven in a peer reviewed scientific study comparing three different forms of silicon. The results of the comparative, cross-over, double-blind clinical trial demonstrated that the stabilized monomeric form of silicon (stabilized orthosilicic acid – as found in BioSil™) is far superior to colloidal silica and horsetail extract. In fact, of the three experimental groups, only BioSil™ offered a bioavailable source of silicon; the other forms of silicon (horsetail and colloidal gel) were no better than placebo1. Scientific References 1. Arch Dermatol Res. 2005 Oct;297(4):147-53. Epub 2005 Oct 26. Effect of oral intake of choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid on skin, nails and hair in women with photodamaged skin. Barel A et al. 2. Calcif Tissue Int. 2006 Apr;78(4):227-32. Epub 2006 Apr 13. Partial prevention of long-term femoral bone loss in aged ovariectomized rats supplemented with choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid. Calomme M et al." This is from the sellers of silicon. The so-called scientific references were for either two small groups or rats. The one with small groups found a small decrease in the roughness of skin. So this is the best you can do. How sad. Jeff Well this is an improvement. Dr Jeff goes from the stand that silica isn't necesary, to now saying the study is inadequate. There are plenty of sources that say silica is an essential mineral. Just because your dumbed-down education didn't teach you about nutrition no need to get all testy and defensive. If I was to rely on allopathic medicine I too wouldn't have learnt about the importance of silica. -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." —William Pitt (1759-1806) |
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