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Old September 14th 09, 09:45 PM posted to alt.child-support
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The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is
to consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve
the whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a
group, get radical and vocal.



That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that
idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are
vocal about it or not and (2) try as we might, there is no
central figure for men to rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow
those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a
central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and
keep them turning in the right direction is what is required for
the MRM to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups
that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in
turn is what feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a
nut-job. Which leads us to another part of the problem, lack of
media support or good, pro-father stories in the media. A good
deal of that can be laid at the feet of the Hollywood elite by
their constant portrayals of men as complete dopes and utter
fools. After being fed a steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for
nearly 30 years the public buys into it, hook, line and sinker
without ever raising an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An
unlikely example of this is David Letterman and his so-called
joke about former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it
wanted Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young girl and
insinuating that rape would be good for her. But whereas people
went into an uproar over this happening to a female, not a peep
was heard about a demand for Letterman to apologize to the MAN he
slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of
getting into the ring with the girls.



That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically
active and unified, which would be a radical change in the way men
act and react. This whole anti-male mindset of which you speak has
come about since the 1960's when women became intensively
politically active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to
support women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head
positions of governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority of
women and minorities who are most likely to benefit from liberal
politcs, taking and active part of the process while the majority
of men ignored it at their own peril. Approximately 63% of voters
were from urban areas and 66% under the age of 30 voted for Obama.
Nearly 100% of black voters cast ballots for Obama then flatly
state that anyone who opposed his policies do so because of
racism... and no one bats an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy
and/or incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent,
hard-working and mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows
(Roseanne, Home Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes
real-life; almost a documentary. And men ignore it, even buy into it.

Phil #3



Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white men
who have applied for (and received, believe it or not) government
welfare. They figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. Slowly, but
surely, the U.S. is becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card, better
known as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people saying
that collecting welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my involvement)
currently get food stamps and have for several years. They are both
healthy and capable but lazy, a lifestyle they didn't get from me.
Neither hold a job longer than it takes for unemployment benefits to
kick in then they stay unemployed until benefits end only to repeat
the cycle with a low-paying job that won't end their eligibility.
I've voiced my displeasure with their actions but decades of
indoctrination is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet
enlist voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just
getting what they can, while they are able.
Phil #3



Wow, this really is a window into your denial. Boys emulate their
fathers (or a father figure) close to 100% of the time. If they were
indoctrinated, it was the example of victim hood, impotence and
weakness from their male role model(s) that indoctrinated them into
this sort of lifestyle.



And you know they had a male role model how?

The whole "get into a union, volunteer for the first round of
layoffs, collect benefits and live cheaply" lifestyle is fairly
common and pretty rewarding for a guy with hobbies and no ambition.
That's why fathers (father figures) are the key to this, boys enjoy
ANYTHING as long as they are getting some positive reinforcement and
instruction.



With all due respect, whatever are you talking about?

City kids will love fishing and hunting if they are taught to do
those things, redneck kids will love tennis if they are encouraged to
do that.



Some perhaps, but not necessarily all.



I wonder what it's like to think one knows everything about any subject
like XXX does.


Better than knowing nothing and blaming everything on others, much
better in fact. You should try it sometime.

The truly amazing part is even s/he simply cannot be so stupid as to
actually believe any of the sexist garbage s/he spews and still be able
to feed and dress themselves.


Nothing sexist about boys seeking male role models and emulating them,
unless you were raised under a rock and live in a cage you have seen the
same thing I have and know it to be true. Obviously you are denying this
simple, universal fact because it hurts your victimhood agenda and
doesn't blame a problem on the courts, judges or some woman.

I suppose it is a case of making **** up as one goes. (You'll notice
s/he never offers any sort of proof, evidence or anything else except
personal bigotry).


You need proof of this? Crack a psych 101 book and learn something.

S/he seems to think that her/his imagination is more relivant than our
experience.
Phil #3


Your experience has been ****, and it is as much your own fault as
anyone else's. I use this info to raise kids who are not lazy losers, so
far I am 3 for 3. Who would you listen to? A broken down whining mess
whose kids are on the dole or the parent of college educated gainfully
employed adults. Your experience is worthless to 99% of the world,
nobody makes raising lazy kids a parenting goal.

I know, I know, it wasn't your fault, their mother was mean to me, the
judge made me pay support, the system is stacked against me whine whine
whine .... Look how all that worked out for you.
  #42  
Old September 14th 09, 09:50 PM posted to alt.child-support
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Oh bloody hell. Who let you out of your cage again?



You keep posting the ridiculous bull**** and I'll stop in from time to
time and make fun of you. I know how much you hate to hear the truth
when it contradicts your whining, but someone has to do it.



Yup, with astounding regularity, you somehow manage to wedge both feet
into your mouth more often then anyone I've ever had the pleasure of not
meeting. Your ability to post some of the most inane, ridiculous,
incomprehensible crap anyone has ever put forth is truly incredible.

Though, I still can't help but wonder if you'll ever, through whatever
fluke of fate, somehow publish the truth AND back it up with factual,
verifiable data. But I'm not going to hold my breath, it may be a very
long wait before you get round to it.


Yet you have yet to show me where I am wrong. You just whine a little
bit more and talk about me rather than the subject of the thread. You
tell me what fact you want backed up and I'll back it up.
  #43  
Old September 14th 09, 11:47 PM posted to alt.child-support
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[snip]



[snip]

The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is
to consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve
the whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a
group, get radical and vocal.



That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that
idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are
vocal about it or not and (2) try as we might, there is no central
figure for men to rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow
those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a
central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and keep
them turning in the right direction is what is required for the
MRM to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups
that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in
turn is what feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a
nut-job. Which leads us to another part of the problem, lack of
media support or good, pro-father stories in the media. A good
deal of that can be laid at the feet of the Hollywood elite by
their constant portrayals of men as complete dopes and utter
fools. After being fed a steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for
nearly 30 years the public buys into it, hook, line and sinker
without ever raising an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An
unlikely example of this is David Letterman and his so-called joke
about former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it
wanted Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young girl and
insinuating that rape would be good for her. But whereas people
went into an uproar over this happening to a female, not a peep
was heard about a demand for Letterman to apologize to the MAN he
slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of
getting into the ring with the girls.



That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically active
and unified, which would be a radical change in the way men act and
react. This whole anti-male mindset of which you speak has come
about since the 1960's when women became intensively politically
active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to support
women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head
positions of governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority of
women and minorities who are most likely to benefit from liberal
politcs, taking and active part of the process while the majority
of men ignored it at their own peril. Approximately 63% of voters
were from urban areas and 66% under the age of 30 voted for Obama.
Nearly 100% of black voters cast ballots for Obama then flatly
state that anyone who opposed his policies do so because of
racism... and no one bats an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy and/or
incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent, hard-working and
mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows (Roseanne, Home
Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes real-life; almost a
documentary. And men ignore it, even buy into it.

Phil #3



Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white men
who have applied for (and received, believe it or not) government
welfare. They figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. Slowly, but
surely, the U.S. is becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card, better
known as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people saying
that collecting welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my involvement)
currently get food stamps and have for several years. They are both
healthy and capable but lazy, a lifestyle they didn't get from me.
Neither hold a job longer than it takes for unemployment benefits to
kick in then they stay unemployed until benefits end only to repeat
the cycle with a low-paying job that won't end their eligibility.
I've voiced my displeasure with their actions but decades of
indoctrination is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet
enlist voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just
getting what they can, while they are able.
Phil #3



Simple. Children are a product of their mother. How their mother
raises them determines their general behavior as adults.


Wow, you guys are really pro- failure. You adopted the attitude that if
I am unhappy everyone in the world should be too. You are 100% wrong,
boys almost always behave the way they are taught by their male role
models, leaving a child without a male role model means he will have to
find his own role models, in most cases that role model will be a
coach, teacher, older brother etc. But in the worst cases the role
model will be a person who preys on young men without role models. When
you read about a teenage drug dealer or shooter how often is his mother
in jail for dealing drugs or shooting someone? Almost never. The male
role model is almost always the example.


I was making reference to principles, NOT role models.


Are there exceptions

to the rule? Of course! But overall, they respond to their mother's
example. Since many, if not most, children are taught by their mothers
that men pay money and don't raise children, and women get free money
and determine what to teach their children, it doesn't surprise me
that the "child support" system perpetuates.


Try to be realistic for 10 seconds, this is completely wrong and
ridiculous.


Then perhaps YOU can explain why the beat goes on.

If you want to talk about these things forget about your beefs with
child support learn a little about child psychology.


Welcome back!



Chris, I guess you enjoy the repartee with XXX but it scares me to
realize that there are many people who are just as warped as s/he.
For instance, s/he still wants to blame men as in the case of teenage
drug dealers who are most likely to come from a mother-headed home where
there is no male "role model" at all. The case of over 70% of all inmates
in jail are from a 'father-ess' home means nothing to bigots such as XXX,
they simply blame men, even though they are prevented from being part of
the problem/solution.
You can educate the ignorant but stupid is forever . However, you do
allow her/him to stick both feet into her/his ample mouth just by keeping
them stoked.

Phil #3


Wow, you couldn't have read more incorrect crap into what I said if you
weren't stupid. Nothing you said there refutes my statement, in fatherless
households boys will seek out and emulate a male role model, is many cases
these male role models are men who prey on fatherless boys. The welfare
mom who sits around and lets her kid come home with new sneakers and a
pocket full of cash is no help, but she is not the role model. You are
purposely ignorant because admitting the simple truth puts a lot of
responsibility on you, and that just won't do among you guys, this is a
responsibility free zone, everything is someone else's fault.


You're a ****in' fruitcake, XXX. You said nothing of substance, just more
anti-male lies.
You don't even realize that many children don't have a male role model in
their lives and of those who do, many of the so-called role models are like
you, which explains why so many boys turn into criminals, drug pushers and
addicts and generally worthless individuals.
Phil #3

  #44  
Old September 14th 09, 11:48 PM posted to alt.child-support
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" wrote in message
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Dusty wrote:

" wrote in message
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Dusty wrote:

" wrote in message
...

[snip]

Oh bloody hell. Who let you out of your cage again?


You keep posting the ridiculous bull**** and I'll stop in from time to
time and make fun of you. I know how much you hate to hear the truth
when it contradicts your whining, but someone has to do it.



Yup, with astounding regularity, you somehow manage to wedge both feet
into your mouth more often then anyone I've ever had the pleasure of not
meeting. Your ability to post some of the most inane, ridiculous,
incomprehensible crap anyone has ever put forth is truly incredible.

Though, I still can't help but wonder if you'll ever, through whatever
fluke of fate, somehow publish the truth AND back it up with factual,
verifiable data. But I'm not going to hold my breath, it may be a very
long wait before you get round to it.


Yet you have yet to show me where I am wrong. You just whine a little bit
more and talk about me rather than the subject of the thread. You tell me
what fact you want backed up and I'll back it up.


You've been proven wrong on every "fact" you ever posted. You refuse to
learn because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Phil #3

  #45  
Old September 14th 09, 11:49 PM posted to alt.child-support
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty"
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[snip]



[snip]

The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is to
consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve the
whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a group,
get radical and vocal.



That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that
idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are
vocal about it or not and (2) try as we might, there is no central
figure for men to rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow
those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a
central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and keep
them turning in the right direction is what is required for the MRM
to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups
that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in
turn is what feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a
nut-job. Which leads us to another part of the problem, lack of
media support or good, pro-father stories in the media. A good
deal of that can be laid at the feet of the Hollywood elite by
their constant portrayals of men as complete dopes and utter fools.
After being fed a steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for nearly 30
years the public buys into it, hook, line and sinker without ever
raising an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An unlikely
example of this is David Letterman and his so-called joke about
former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it wanted
Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young girl and
insinuating that rape would be good for her. But whereas people
went into an uproar over this happening to a female, not a peep was
heard about a demand for Letterman to apologize to the MAN he
slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of
getting into the ring with the girls.



That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically active
and unified, which would be a radical change in the way men act and
react. This whole anti-male mindset of which you speak has come
about since the 1960's when women became intensively politically
active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to support
women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head positions
of governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority of women and
minorities who are most likely to benefit from liberal politcs,
taking and active part of the process while the majority of men
ignored it at their own peril. Approximately 63% of voters were from
urban areas and 66% under the age of 30 voted for Obama. Nearly 100%
of black voters cast ballots for Obama then flatly state that anyone
who opposed his policies do so because of racism... and no one bats
an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy and/or
incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent, hard-working and
mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows (Roseanne, Home
Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes real-life; almost a
documentary. And men ignore it, even buy into it.

Phil #3



Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white men who
have applied for (and received, believe it or not) government
welfare. They figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. Slowly, but
surely, the U.S. is becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card, better
known as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people saying that
collecting welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my involvement)
currently get food stamps and have for several years. They are both
healthy and capable but lazy, a lifestyle they didn't get from me.
Neither hold a job longer than it takes for unemployment benefits to
kick in then they stay unemployed until benefits end only to repeat
the cycle with a low-paying job that won't end their eligibility. I've
voiced my displeasure with their actions but decades of indoctrination
is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet enlist
voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just getting what
they can, while they are able.
Phil #3



Wow, this really is a window into your denial. Boys emulate their
fathers (or a father figure) close to 100% of the time. If they were
indoctrinated, it was the example of victim hood, impotence and
weakness from their male role model(s) that indoctrinated them into
this sort of lifestyle.


And you know they had a male role model how?

The whole "get into a union, volunteer for the first round of layoffs,
collect benefits and live cheaply" lifestyle is fairly common and
pretty rewarding for a guy with hobbies and no ambition. That's why
fathers (father figures) are the key to this, boys enjoy ANYTHING as
long as they are getting some positive reinforcement and instruction.


With all due respect, whatever are you talking about?

City kids will love fishing and hunting if they are taught to do those
things, redneck kids will love tennis if they are encouraged to do
that.


Some perhaps, but not necessarily all.



I wonder what it's like to think one knows everything about any subject
like XXX does.


Better than knowing nothing and blaming everything on others, much better
in fact. You should try it sometime.

The truly amazing part is even s/he simply cannot be so stupid as to
actually believe any of the sexist garbage s/he spews and still be able
to feed and dress themselves.


Nothing sexist about boys seeking male role models and emulating them,
unless you were raised under a rock and live in a cage you have seen the
same thing I have and know it to be true. Obviously you are denying this
simple, universal fact because it hurts your victimhood agenda and doesn't
blame a problem on the courts, judges or some woman.

I suppose it is a case of making **** up as one goes. (You'll notice s/he
never offers any sort of proof, evidence or anything else except
personal bigotry).


You need proof of this? Crack a psych 101 book and learn something.

S/he seems to think that her/his imagination is more relivant than our
experience.
Phil #3


Your experience has been ****, and it is as much your own fault as anyone
else's. I use this info to raise kids who are not lazy losers, so far I am
3 for 3. Who would you listen to? A broken down whining mess whose kids
are on the dole or the parent of college educated gainfully employed
adults. Your experience is worthless to 99% of the world, nobody makes
raising lazy kids a parenting goal.

I know, I know, it wasn't your fault, their mother was mean to me, the
judge made me pay support, the system is stacked against me whine whine
whine .... Look how all that worked out for you.


You know nothing of me yet claim to know much.
You are a pathetic excuse for a human and a total waste of air and skin.

Phil #3

  #46  
Old September 14th 09, 11:54 PM posted to alt.child-support
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"Dusty" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty"
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[snip]



[snip]

The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is to
consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve the
whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a group,
get radical and vocal.



That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that
idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are vocal
about it or not and (2) try as we might, there is no central figure
for men to rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow
those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a
central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and keep
them turning in the right direction is what is required for the MRM
to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups
that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in
turn is what feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a
nut-job. Which leads us to another part of the problem, lack of
media support or good, pro-father stories in the media. A good deal
of that can be laid at the feet of the Hollywood elite by their
constant portrayals of men as complete dopes and utter fools. After
being fed a steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for nearly 30 years
the public buys into it, hook, line and sinker without ever raising
an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An unlikely
example of this is David Letterman and his so-called joke about
former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it wanted
Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young girl and
insinuating that rape would be good for her. But whereas people
went into an uproar over this happening to a female, not a peep was
heard about a demand for Letterman to apologize to the MAN he
slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of
getting into the ring with the girls.



That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically active
and unified, which would be a radical change in the way men act and
react. This whole anti-male mindset of which you speak has come about
since the 1960's when women became intensively politically active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to support
women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head positions
of governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority of women and
minorities who are most likely to benefit from liberal politcs,
taking and active part of the process while the majority of men
ignored it at their own peril. Approximately 63% of voters were from
urban areas and 66% under the age of 30 voted for Obama. Nearly 100%
of black voters cast ballots for Obama then flatly state that anyone
who opposed his policies do so because of racism... and no one bats
an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy and/or
incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent, hard-working and
mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows (Roseanne, Home
Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes real-life; almost a
documentary. And men ignore it, even buy into it.

Phil #3



Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white men who
have applied for (and received, believe it or not) government welfare.
They figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. Slowly, but surely, the
U.S. is becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card, better
known as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people saying that
collecting welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my involvement)
currently get food stamps and have for several years. They are both
healthy and capable but lazy, a lifestyle they didn't get from me.
Neither hold a job longer than it takes for unemployment benefits to
kick in then they stay unemployed until benefits end only to repeat the
cycle with a low-paying job that won't end their eligibility. I've
voiced my displeasure with their actions but decades of indoctrination
is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet enlist
voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just getting what
they can, while they are able.
Phil #3



Wow, this really is a window into your denial. Boys emulate their
fathers (or a father figure) close to 100% of the time. If they were
indoctrinated, it was the example of victim hood, impotence and weakness
from their male role model(s) that indoctrinated them into this sort of
lifestyle. The whole "get into a union, volunteer for the first round of
layoffs, collect benefits and live cheaply" lifestyle is fairly common
and pretty rewarding for a guy with hobbies and no ambition. That's why
fathers (father figures) are the key to this, boys enjoy ANYTHING as
long as they are getting some positive reinforcement and instruction.
City kids will love fishing and hunting if they are taught to do those
things, redneck kids will love tennis if they are encouraged to do that.



You're a liar or stupid. Only you know which. but whichever, you are
definitely a sexual bigot.
Phil #3



and you are just a whiny loser, doesn't change the facts though.


True that whatever I say doesn't change the fact that you are a lying sexual
bigot.
Phil #3

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The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is
to consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve
the whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a
group, get radical and vocal.



That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that
idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are
vocal about it or not and (2) try as we might, there is no
central figure for men to rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow
those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a
central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and
keep them turning in the right direction is what is required for
the MRM to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups
that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in
turn is what feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a
nut-job. Which leads us to another part of the problem, lack of
media support or good, pro-father stories in the media. A good
deal of that can be laid at the feet of the Hollywood elite by
their constant portrayals of men as complete dopes and utter
fools. After being fed a steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for
nearly 30 years the public buys into it, hook, line and sinker
without ever raising an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An
unlikely example of this is David Letterman and his so-called
joke about former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it
wanted Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young girl and
insinuating that rape would be good for her. But whereas people
went into an uproar over this happening to a female, not a peep
was heard about a demand for Letterman to apologize to the MAN he
slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of
getting into the ring with the girls.



That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically
active and unified, which would be a radical change in the way men
act and react. This whole anti-male mindset of which you speak has
come about since the 1960's when women became intensively
politically active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to
support women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head
positions of governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority of
women and minorities who are most likely to benefit from liberal
politcs, taking and active part of the process while the majority
of men ignored it at their own peril. Approximately 63% of voters
were from urban areas and 66% under the age of 30 voted for Obama.
Nearly 100% of black voters cast ballots for Obama then flatly
state that anyone who opposed his policies do so because of
racism... and no one bats an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy
and/or incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent,
hard-working and mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows
(Roseanne, Home Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes
real-life; almost a documentary. And men ignore it, even buy into
it.

Phil #3



Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white men
who have applied for (and received, believe it or not) government
welfare. They figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. Slowly, but
surely, the U.S. is becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card, better
known as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people saying
that collecting welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my involvement)
currently get food stamps and have for several years. They are both
healthy and capable but lazy, a lifestyle they didn't get from me.
Neither hold a job longer than it takes for unemployment benefits to
kick in then they stay unemployed until benefits end only to repeat
the cycle with a low-paying job that won't end their eligibility.
I've voiced my displeasure with their actions but decades of
indoctrination is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet
enlist voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just
getting what they can, while they are able.
Phil #3



Simple. Children are a product of their mother. How their mother
raises them determines their general behavior as adults.


Wow, you guys are really pro- failure. You adopted the attitude that
if I am unhappy everyone in the world should be too. You are 100%
wrong, boys almost always behave the way they are taught by their male
role models, leaving a child without a male role model means he will
have to find his own role models, in most cases that role model will
be a coach, teacher, older brother etc. But in the worst cases the
role model will be a person who preys on young men without role
models. When you read about a teenage drug dealer or shooter how often
is his mother in jail for dealing drugs or shooting someone? Almost
never. The male role model is almost always the example.


I was making reference to principles, NOT role models.


Are there exceptions

to the rule? Of course! But overall, they respond to their mother's
example. Since many, if not most, children are taught by their
mothers that men pay money and don't raise children, and women get
free money and determine what to teach their children, it doesn't
surprise me that the "child support" system perpetuates.


Try to be realistic for 10 seconds, this is completely wrong and
ridiculous.


Then perhaps YOU can explain why the beat goes on.

If you want to talk about these things forget about your beefs with
child support learn a little about child psychology.


Welcome back!


Chris, I guess you enjoy the repartee with XXX but it scares me to
realize that there are many people who are just as warped as s/he.
For instance, s/he still wants to blame men as in the case of teenage
drug dealers who are most likely to come from a mother-headed home where
there is no male "role model" at all. The case of over 70% of all
inmates in jail are from a 'father-ess' home means nothing to bigots
such as XXX, they simply blame men, even though they are prevented from
being part of the problem/solution.
You can educate the ignorant but stupid is forever . However, you do
allow her/him to stick both feet into her/his ample mouth just by
keeping them stoked.

Phil #3



What I am trying to understand is why such role model MUST be male.
Apparently, everything that I learned from women was just a figment of my
imagination. The teacher was really a man. In drag ya suppose?




"Such" role model has to be a man in order to be a male role model.


Not necessarily. There are some social science experts who conclude teenage
gang members become the surrogate male role models when fathers are absent.
IOW - The role models are boys who have yet to experience any adult male
situations.

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Old September 15th 09, 01:35 AM posted to alt.child-support
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[snip]




[snip]

The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity
is to consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would
solve the whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until
men, as a group, get radical and vocal.




That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in
that idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither
they are vocal about it or not and (2) try as we might, there
is no central figure for men to rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only
follow those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The
lack of a central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the
wheels and keep them turning in the right direction is what is
required for the MRM to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter
groups that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's
head. This in turn is what feeds the media to portray
everyone in the MRM as a nut-job. Which leads us to another
part of the problem, lack of media support or good, pro-father
stories in the media. A good deal of that can be laid at the
feet of the Hollywood elite by their constant portrayals of
men as complete dopes and utter fools. After being fed a
steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for nearly 30 years the
public buys into it, hook, line and sinker without ever
raising an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An
unlikely example of this is David Letterman and his so-called
joke about former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard
it wanted Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young
girl and insinuating that rape would be good for her. But
whereas people went into an uproar over this happening to a
female, not a peep was heard about a demand for Letterman to
apologize to the MAN he slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think
of getting into the ring with the girls.




That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically
active and unified, which would be a radical change in the way
men act and react. This whole anti-male mindset of which you
speak has come about since the 1960's when women became
intensively politically active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to
support women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head
positions of governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority
of women and minorities who are most likely to benefit from
liberal politcs, taking and active part of the process while
the majority of men ignored it at their own peril.
Approximately 63% of voters were from urban areas and 66% under
the age of 30 voted for Obama. Nearly 100% of black voters cast
ballots for Obama then flatly state that anyone who opposed his
policies do so because of racism... and no one bats an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy
and/or incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent,
hard-working and mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows
(Roseanne, Home Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes
real-life; almost a documentary. And men ignore it, even buy
into it.

Phil #3




Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white
men who have applied for (and received, believe it or not)
government welfare. They figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Slowly, but surely, the U.S. is becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card,
better known as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people
saying that collecting welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my
involvement) currently get food stamps and have for several
years. They are both healthy and capable but lazy, a lifestyle
they didn't get from me. Neither hold a job longer than it takes
for unemployment benefits to kick in then they stay unemployed
until benefits end only to repeat the cycle with a low-paying job
that won't end their eligibility. I've voiced my displeasure with
their actions but decades of indoctrination is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet
enlist voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just
getting what they can, while they are able.
Phil #3




Simple. Children are a product of their mother. How their mother
raises them determines their general behavior as adults.



Wow, you guys are really pro- failure. You adopted the attitude
that if I am unhappy everyone in the world should be too. You are
100% wrong, boys almost always behave the way they are taught by
their male role models, leaving a child without a male role model
means he will have to find his own role models, in most cases that
role model will be a coach, teacher, older brother etc. But in the
worst cases the role model will be a person who preys on young men
without role models. When you read about a teenage drug dealer or
shooter how often is his mother in jail for dealing drugs or
shooting someone? Almost never. The male role model is almost
always the example.



I was making reference to principles, NOT role models.


Are there exceptions

to the rule? Of course! But overall, they respond to their
mother's example. Since many, if not most, children are taught by
their mothers that men pay money and don't raise children, and
women get free money and determine what to teach their children,
it doesn't surprise me that the "child support" system perpetuates.


Try to be realistic for 10 seconds, this is completely wrong and
ridiculous.



Then perhaps YOU can explain why the beat goes on.

If you want to talk about these things forget about your beefs with
child support learn a little about child psychology.



Welcome back!



Chris, I guess you enjoy the repartee with XXX but it scares me to
realize that there are many people who are just as warped as s/he.
For instance, s/he still wants to blame men as in the case of teenage
drug dealers who are most likely to come from a mother-headed home
where there is no male "role model" at all. The case of over 70% of
all inmates in jail are from a 'father-ess' home means nothing to
bigots such as XXX, they simply blame men, even though they are
prevented from being part of the problem/solution.
You can educate the ignorant but stupid is forever . However, you do
allow her/him to stick both feet into her/his ample mouth just by
keeping them stoked.

Phil #3


Wow, you couldn't have read more incorrect crap into what I said if
you weren't stupid. Nothing you said there refutes my statement, in
fatherless households boys will seek out and emulate a male role
model, is many cases these male role models are men who prey on
fatherless boys. The welfare mom who sits around and lets her kid come
home with new sneakers and a pocket full of cash is no help, but she
is not the role model. You are purposely ignorant because admitting
the simple truth puts a lot of responsibility on you, and that just
won't do among you guys, this is a responsibility free zone,
everything is someone else's fault.



You're a ****in' fruitcake, XXX. You said nothing of substance, just
more anti-male lies.
You don't even realize that many children don't have a male role model
in their lives and of those who do, many of the so-called role models
are like you, which explains why so many boys turn into criminals, drug
pushers and addicts and generally worthless individuals.
Phil #3


I've said what the rest of the world understands without having to hear
it from a stranger. I'm sure some of you already know these things but
need to deny them in order to keep the agenda going. You are a guy who
raised 2 lazy uneducated blobs trying to convince a guy who raised 2
highly educated children and one lawyer. It seems you really don't
understand how the world works. Considering the source your lame insults
really are pretty funny. How big a ****bag are you that you couldn't get
even ONE kid to get an education or a decent job?

After your idiotic insults and impotent protests you are now agreeing
with my original statement. Nice work stupid.
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Oh bloody hell. Who let you out of your cage again?



You keep posting the ridiculous bull**** and I'll stop in from time
to time and make fun of you. I know how much you hate to hear the
truth when it contradicts your whining, but someone has to do it.



Yup, with astounding regularity, you somehow manage to wedge both
feet into your mouth more often then anyone I've ever had the
pleasure of not meeting. Your ability to post some of the most inane,
ridiculous, incomprehensible crap anyone has ever put forth is truly
incredible.

Though, I still can't help but wonder if you'll ever, through
whatever fluke of fate, somehow publish the truth AND back it up with
factual, verifiable data. But I'm not going to hold my breath, it
may be a very long wait before you get round to it.



Yet you have yet to show me where I am wrong. You just whine a little
bit more and talk about me rather than the subject of the thread. You
tell me what fact you want backed up and I'll back it up.



You've been proven wrong on every "fact" you ever posted. You refuse to
learn because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Phil #3


Yet you are unable to show me a factual error in any of my posts, you
keep claiming that I am incorrect but you never back it up, you just
keep whining and pretending all of your problems are someone else's
fault. You are probably as incapable of learning as everything else.
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Phil #3 wrote:

You know nothing of me yet claim to know much.
You are a pathetic excuse for a human and a total waste of air and skin.

Phil #3


At least I raised my kids to be productive members of society, that
makes me 1000 times more worthwhile than you. I claim to know what you
have posted here, nothing more nothing less but you paint the picture of
a lowlife with your posts.
 




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