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In article aAiVb.115596$U%5.596787@attbi_s03,
"Mom2Aries" wrote: Read the article. Nothing can follow this little girl around, she died 7 hours after the operation -- Cadie and Aries | this is a total pander --- why do people have to see these pictures | except for the usual pornographic reasons? think how this child is | going to love this following her around for the rest of her life -- | pictures once publized are forever and this is relevant because? presumably everyone hoped the baby would survive -- and it is sad that she didn't -- to exploit her by distributing these pictures is abusive IMHO -- would you really display your child as a freak as was done in this case |
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Hope Munro Smith wrote in message ...
(St. Matthew) wrote: What if the same thing happened to you? If it were me, God forbid, there'd be no cameras in the nursery, that's for sure. It's not a freak show. http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2500458 Unfortunately she didn't make it: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040207_472.html I send my condolences to the family. |
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Donna Metler wrote in message ... [thar be snippage here...in regards to certain religious practices for infants at birth] One of the questions I was asked before labor was induced for Brian was whether we wanted someone present to baptize him immediately after birth, given that he was expected to be stillborne or live only a short time. We decided against it, because in my religious training, baptism is a contract with the parents and the church, to bring up a child in a religious manner, and for a child who does not survive, the contract is meaningless. Similarly, last rites would not have been appropriate, because a newborn baby has no sins to forgive. (Another question I was asked, even though DH and I are not Catholic). Only if you believe baptism is essential in a child's admittance to heaven (a belief even the Catholic church has largely dismissed) would this be essential. On a similar note, the Jewish mothers in my support group chose not to have their sons circumsized, although most had been asked about this ceremony. I would have also declined because brit milah is supposed to occur on the child's eighth day of life (although permission can be given to have it done later, or delayed if a child is too ill for it at the time)...if either of my sons were not expected to survive until then, it would have been inappropriate for brit milah to take place.....just as you felt it was inappropriate for your baby to have been baptized as an infant due to your own religious practices. My heart aches for this mother, who won't be given a chance to grieve in peace, and who will be forever haunted with self-doubts and fears because of this incidence. Losing any child is hard, and losing one in such a public way is at least doubly so. Agreed. I think they made the best decision they could. Let the baby be mourned in peace. Leah meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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"dragonlady" wrote in message ... In article , "geopelia" wrote: "Deborah Terreson" wrote in message ... ---------- In article , (St. Matthew) wrote: "toypup" wrote in message news:EGRUb.240818$na.397528@attbi_s04... In , St. Matthew wrote: *What if the same thing happened to you? I don't know what I'd really do in her parents' shoes. I do know I didn't immediately feel a bond with DS when he was born. I hear that's normal. If my child had two heads, it might freak me out too much and take me much longer to develop a bond. The second head moving its mouth while I was nursing would really bother me. I'd be flooded with empathy for the little one. I'd also even have feelings for the partially developed head because there is some brain activity detected there. It is a form of life, too, after all. Yeah, I wondered about that too. But, as the doctors said, it was growing faster than the girl. It could very well kill her as it pushed into her brain and compressed it. Gotta go, rather than take the chance that the infant dies as well. Deb. Did the baby have an emergency baptism? If so, was the other head baptized also as a separate individual? This would matter to parents with religious beliefs. No -- it would matter to parents with *specific* religious beliefs. To some very deeply religious people, baptism is meaningless -- someting done in someone else's religion -- even among Christians, there are many who find infant baptism to be an unacceptable practice. The question of whether the baby which didn't develop was a seperate individual is for the parents and their religious leaders to decide. It is not something that can be established as fact. meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care In one book on obstetrics (I forget which) it said that if there was doubt about how many individuals there were, one should be baptized and the other(s) baptized "conditionally". Just how many infants can be conjoined? Have there ever been more than two? Geopelia |
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"geopelia" wrote: "dragonlady" wrote in message ... In article , "geopelia" wrote: "Deborah Terreson" wrote in message ... ---------- In article , (St. Matthew) wrote: "toypup" wrote in message news:EGRUb.240818$na.397528@attbi_s04... In , St. Matthew wrote: *What if the same thing happened to you? I don't know what I'd really do in her parents' shoes. I do know I didn't immediately feel a bond with DS when he was born. I hear that's normal. If my child had two heads, it might freak me out too much and take me much longer to develop a bond. The second head moving its mouth while I was nursing would really bother me. I'd be flooded with empathy for the little one. I'd also even have feelings for the partially developed head because there is some brain activity detected there. It is a form of life, too, after all. Yeah, I wondered about that too. But, as the doctors said, it was growing faster than the girl. It could very well kill her as it pushed into her brain and compressed it. Gotta go, rather than take the chance that the infant dies as well. Deb. Did the baby have an emergency baptism? If so, was the other head baptized also as a separate individual? This would matter to parents with religious beliefs. No -- it would matter to parents with *specific* religious beliefs. To some very deeply religious people, baptism is meaningless -- someting done in someone else's religion -- even among Christians, there are many who find infant baptism to be an unacceptable practice. The question of whether the baby which didn't develop was a seperate individual is for the parents and their religious leaders to decide. It is not something that can be established as fact. meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care In one book on obstetrics (I forget which) it said that if there was doubt about how many individuals there were, one should be baptized and the other(s) baptized "conditionally". Just how many infants can be conjoined? Have there ever been more than two? Geopelia According to the articles I could find quickly, there are no modern, credible stories of more than 2 conjoined multiples. However, there are cases of more than one internal, encased multiples: people have had surgery to find fully encased, partially developed multiples. These are apparently a case of an identical twin (or triplet or quad or whatever) who failed to develop but was somehow encapsulated inside their surviving sibling's body. meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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"dragonlady" wrote in message ... In article , "geopelia" wrote: "dragonlady" wrote in message ... In article , "geopelia" wrote: "Deborah Terreson" wrote in message ... ---------- In article , (St. Matthew) wrote: "toypup" wrote in message news:EGRUb.240818$na.397528@attbi_s04... In , St. Matthew wrote: *What if the same thing happened to you? I don't know what I'd really do in her parents' shoes. I do know I didn't immediately feel a bond with DS when he was born. I hear that's normal. If my child had two heads, it might freak me out too much and take me much longer to develop a bond. The second head moving its mouth while I was nursing would really bother me. I'd be flooded with empathy for the little one. I'd also even have feelings for the partially developed head because there is some brain activity detected there. It is a form of life, too, after all. Yeah, I wondered about that too. But, as the doctors said, it was growing faster than the girl. It could very well kill her as it pushed into her brain and compressed it. Gotta go, rather than take the chance that the infant dies as well. Deb. Did the baby have an emergency baptism? If so, was the other head baptized also as a separate individual? This would matter to parents with religious beliefs. No -- it would matter to parents with *specific* religious beliefs. To some very deeply religious people, baptism is meaningless -- someting done in someone else's religion -- even among Christians, there are many who find infant baptism to be an unacceptable practice. The question of whether the baby which didn't develop was a seperate individual is for the parents and their religious leaders to decide. It is not something that can be established as fact. meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care In one book on obstetrics (I forget which) it said that if there was doubt about how many individuals there were, one should be baptized and the other(s) baptized "conditionally". Just how many infants can be conjoined? Have there ever been more than two? Geopelia According to the articles I could find quickly, there are no modern, credible stories of more than 2 conjoined multiples. However, there are cases of more than one internal, encased multiples: people have had surgery to find fully encased, partially developed multiples. These are apparently a case of an identical twin (or triplet or quad or whatever) who failed to develop but was somehow encapsulated inside their surviving sibling's body. meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care I'll have to look it up. The Dionne quins are interesting, all apparently from one embryo that split in various ways. Very sad the way they were treated though, and incredible that they all survived with the rather primitive medicine of those days. Geopelia |
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-- Cadie and Aries "Jenn" wrote in message ... | In article aAiVb.115596$U%5.596787@attbi_s03, | "Mom2Aries" wrote: | | Read the article. Nothing can follow this little girl around, she died 7 | hours after the operation | | -- | Cadie and Aries | | this is a total pander --- why do people have to see these pictures | | except for the usual pornographic reasons? think how this child is | | going to love this following her around for the rest of her life -- | | pictures once publized are forever | | | | | and this is relevant because? presumably everyone hoped the baby would | survive -- and it is sad that she didn't -- to exploit her by | distributing these pictures is abusive IMHO -- would you really display | your child as a freak as was done in this case Because everyone was responding to the article, saying those pictures will follow the little girl around forever... showing that they had not read it. IMO, the whole thread could have been shortened and wouldn't have driven some people crazy if anyone would have just READ the article they were responding to, which said, on top of the picture, that the little girl died after surgery. I think it's funny (and slightly annoying) how people are going to argue over a point that is completely invalid, IE. how the little girl will feel having those pictures taken and publicized. And I also don't see how it's any of your (a collective your) business what these people allowed in the papers. How was she displayed as a freak? I don't recall any of the headlines stating "Come look at the 2 headed freak baby". It was an article about a rare medical occurrence, without pictures to document it's truth, it goes in the garbage never to be looked at again, and forgotten... or never believed in the first place. It's not like they put the pictures up in a tabloid, like some people have done. |
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In 8StWb.8573$uV3.18726@attbi_s51,
Mom2Aries wrote: *responding to, which said, on top of the picture, that the little girl died *after surgery. Well, no. When I originally read the article, they were preparing for surgery. Just because you are one of the rare few who jumped in late after the poor baby had already died is no reason to start telling the rest of us what is or is not appropriate to argue about or discuss. But that's just my personal opinion. Flame on, h. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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| Well, no. When I originally read the article, they were preparing for | surgery. Just because you are one of the rare few who jumped in late after | the poor baby had already died is no reason to start telling the rest of | us what is or is not appropriate to argue about or discuss. But that's | just my personal opinion. | | Flame on, | h. I apologize, I wasn't aware that I was flaming. I also wasn't aware that a news website would use the same link for two entirely different news articles. Any other website would use a new link for the follow up so that the first article could be archived and still be accessed. But if that's not the case here, than I am sorry... my fault. Just seems odd. |
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In article 8StWb.8573$uV3.18726@attbi_s51,
"Mom2Aries" wrote: -- Cadie and Aries "Jenn" wrote in message ... | In article aAiVb.115596$U%5.596787@attbi_s03, | "Mom2Aries" wrote: | | Read the article. Nothing can follow this little girl around, she died 7 | hours after the operation | | -- | Cadie and Aries | | this is a total pander --- why do people have to see these pictures | | except for the usual pornographic reasons? think how this child is | | going to love this following her around for the rest of her life -- | | pictures once publized are forever | | | | | and this is relevant because? presumably everyone hoped the baby would | survive -- and it is sad that she didn't -- to exploit her by | distributing these pictures is abusive IMHO -- would you really display | your child as a freak as was done in this case Because everyone was responding to the article, saying those pictures will follow the little girl around forever... showing that they had not read it. IMO, the whole thread could have been shortened and wouldn't have driven some people crazy if anyone would have just READ the article they were responding to, which said, on top of the picture, that the little girl died after surgery. I think it's funny (and slightly annoying) how people are going to argue over a point that is completely invalid, IE. how the little girl will feel having those pictures taken and publicized. And I also don't see how it's any of your (a collective your) business what these people allowed in the papers. that points was posted BEFORE the surgery and before she died -- How was she displayed as a freak? I don't recall any of the headlines stating "Come look at the 2 headed freak baby". It was an article about a rare medical occurrence, without pictures to document it's truth, it goes in the garbage never to be looked at again, and forgotten... or never believed in the first place. It's not like they put the pictures up in a tabloid, like some people have done. people 'interested' in these pictures are disgusting -- it is nothing but porn -- of course they were in the tabloids and all over the news -- where was the 'need to know' how was anyone's life improved by getting to look at the freak? bad behavior all around. [I give the parents a pass here because they were probably exploited by the press] |
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