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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
Help the conversation and quit berating me.
Banty wrote: In article . com, says... Xkatx, Yes, that post was for Banty. Sorry about that. xkatx wrote: wrote in message oups.com... That makes no sense. Ignore the website. What does that have to do with anything, anyway? You're the one that posted links to your site. Answer your question for me, then. Besides, you can't have a conversation about something you don't even believe exists. The pictures I have put up are simply illustrating my point. If you don't like it, ignore it. ??? But don't try sabatoge a very good conversation with your demands. Help the conversation. Prove this isnt' about drawing attention to your pictures. Banty -- |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
In article .com,
" wrote: Dragonlady, I apologize if I'm not being clear with what I consider "adult" like clothing. I think your confusion with this is not necessarily due to my lack of clarification. I think this is the issue...what is considered too riske for children? Of course, a pair of little jeans and a polo is darling and very appropriate. A Sunday dress and mary janes is fine. Certainly clothing when we were growing up is fine. This is a recent phenomenon - which is why it's a discussion that may look on the surface as not being an issue but, in reality, is. I think we're talking the difference between (http://www.janieandjack.com/) and (http://ubbaby.com/). We're talking a difference between Gap and LimitedToo. My concern comes with both miniturizing adult clothing (clothing made for mature pubescent adults) and with sexualizing the clothing (or the child) in the advertisement. Does this help clarify? I've never BEEN unclear: you are the one who keeps saying we shouldn't dress children in "adult" clothing, when it is clear that your problem is NOT with adult clothing, but with risque clothing. I maintain that your use of the word "adult" to describe sexy clothing is a mistake, and there is no problem with children wearing suits and ties, or fancy dresses, or dress up shoes, or many of the other clothes that adults wear. My kids pretty much dress the same way their other parent and I do: most days, jeans and t-shirts or sweat shirts, dresses and nice shirts on Sunday or out to dinner. They have most of their lives. And, as they got older, would sometimes ask for dressier clothes -- my daughters will sometimes ask to borrow my clothes for fancy occassions, and have since they were about 11. I don't think you'd have issues with anything they wore, since *I* don't wear risque clothing. So you do NOT have a problem with children dressing like adults: you have a problem with children dressing in sexy clothing, and I think if you REALLY want to further the conversation, you need to SAY that, and stop referring to "adult" clothing. This particular adult has NEVER worn the sorts of things that you don't like. I have a problem with people of ANY age wearing clothes that are more appropriate to a strip club on the street, or more appropriate for beach wear to church -- regardless of age. I think showing underwear in public is in poor taste. I don't like clothes that advertise a product. I don't like those clothes on anyone -- regardless of age. That some people put children in these clothes, yes, is even worse, but I don't see all that much of it. Certainly, if we sexualize children it is inappropriate -- no one would argue with that. My argument is that to refer to that as "adult" clothing is a mistake. It isn't "adult" -- it is just inappropriate. And I have no interest in viewing your web site, so you might as well stop trying to send me to it. Your continued attempt to get people to look at it undermines your claim that you are only interested in conversaton. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
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ups.com: I respect your opinion that there is nothing wrong with what children wear. It's just something I've noticed and am concerned about. That's all. It's worth discussing and thinking about when one looks at ads including children - or when young children want to dress up like little teenagers. you can't go by advertising to see what children actually wear. go out to a park or something & look at some real kids. for the most part you *won't* see kids dressed in slutty or even "miniature adult" clothes. you'll see jeans, t-shirts, shorts, tanktops, probably sweatpants (which is my big bugbear. i really dislike seeing sweatpants out in public, although i'll tend to be charitable if they're on kids of toilet training age). lee |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
wrote in message oups.com... Dragonlady, I apologize if I'm not being clear with what I consider "adult" like clothing. I think your confusion with this is not necessarily due to my lack of clarification. I think this is the issue...what is considered too riske for children? Of course, a pair of little jeans and a polo is darling and very appropriate. A Sunday dress and mary janes is fine. Certainly clothing when we were growing up is fine. This is a recent phenomenon - which is why it's a discussion that may look on the surface as not being an issue but, in reality, is. I think we're talking the difference between (http://www.janieandjack.com/) and (http://ubbaby.com/). We're talking a difference between Gap and LimitedToo. My concern comes with both miniturizing adult clothing (clothing made for mature pubescent adults) and with sexualizing the clothing (or the child) in the advertisement. Does this help clarify? I think you're making too much of this, like foreigners who watch Hollywood movies and think all of America is like that, or trying to save the snail darter or something. This clothing "trend" you're so concerned about certainly isn't mainstream, and probably applies to a very small segment of the population. Why have you chosen this issue to focus on? Do you have any kids? |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
wrote in message ups.com... My question is to start a conversation about the impact of dressing kids like adults. I have really been hit hard in my conviction about how we dress kids in adult-like outfits but are outraged over pediphilia. Pedophiles are pedophiles, no matter how a child dresses. To blame child sexual abuse on dress takes the responsibility away from the perpetrator. It's ALWAYS the perpetrators fault for abusing a child. Is there any responsibility there on behalf of us parents to present our children like the children they are - rather than the adults they will become? Is it a responsibility of us as a society to be outraged over the explotation of our children in advertising? I'd really appreciate an honest discussion - even if you disagree with me. xkatx wrote: "Banty" wrote in message ... In article om, says... I have a question I'd LOVE feedback on... What's the impact of dressing our children as adults... on the child? on the adult? as a society? I have a few comments and pictures at http://redeemingchildhood.blogspot.com. You're front and center with your pictures, and you're sending unsolicited posts hawking your website. And you say you're concerned about the children... Uh-HUH. Scumbag. Banty I agree. I'm still somewhat confused on the question, if it really was a question. DS has been known to wear a blazer or something, dress very similar to the first boy, and my brother, 15 years ago, around 2-3 years of age, would always *want* to wear a suit with a tie - very much like the second boy! (I can remember very clearly he had similar clothes but in a baby blue that he'd always *like* and request to wear) I have a thing for when I dress mine... I dunno... We have our clothes, and then we have our play clothes. Scumbag is an appropriate choice of word |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
"Aula" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... My question is to start a conversation about the impact of dressing kids like adults. I have really been hit hard in my conviction about how we dress kids in adult-like outfits but are outraged over pediphilia. Then I think you need to reframe your question. I am an adult and I do not often dress provocatively. Many adults do not dress provocatively. Perhaps, though, that is the word you are looking for, not 'adults'. I finally went to the website and looked at the pictures. Almost all the pictures are perfectly (IMO) appropriate clothing for children. Some of the POSES are very suggestive though and look like child porn to me. But it isn't the clothing that is at fault, it is the photographer and the audience. The one thing that I've got a problem with is that I've never seen the reason for little girls to wear bikinis. But given that they do wear bikinis (and have been doing so for 40 or more years - this isn't recent), I don't think that the bikinis are particularly sexy. |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
Rosalie B. wrote: The one thing that I've got a problem with is that I've never seen the reason for little girls to wear bikinis. But given that they do wear bikinis (and have been doing so for 40 or more years - this isn't recent), I don't think that the bikinis are particularly sexy. One advantage of bikinis (or any two-piece suit) is that the kids don't grow out of them as fast. Kids often gain an inch or two in height without getting significantly wider for a while. --Helen |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
" wrote in message oups.com... Rosalie B. wrote: The one thing that I've got a problem with is that I've never seen the reason for little girls to wear bikinis. But given that they do wear bikinis (and have been doing so for 40 or more years - this isn't recent), I don't think that the bikinis are particularly sexy. One advantage of bikinis (or any two-piece suit) is that the kids don't grow out of them as fast. Kids often gain an inch or two in height without getting significantly wider for a while. But there are plenty of 2 pieces that aren't bikinis too. DD just got one, and while she's going into middle school and wanting to look and feel "grown up," she did not want anything skimpy. The one she got only left about 2 inches of skin showing in the middle. Bizby |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
"bizby40" wrote:
" wrote in message roups.com... Rosalie B. wrote: The one thing that I've got a problem with is that I've never seen the reason for little girls to wear bikinis. But given that they do wear bikinis (and have been doing so for 40 or more years - this isn't recent), I don't think that the bikinis are particularly sexy. One advantage of bikinis (or any two-piece suit) is that the kids don't grow out of them as fast. Kids often gain an inch or two in height without getting significantly wider for a while. But there are plenty of 2 pieces that aren't bikinis too. DD just got one, and while she's going into middle school and wanting to look and feel "grown up," she did not want anything skimpy. The one she got only left about 2 inches of skin showing in the middle. I was using bikini as a generic term for any two piece suit. |
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