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wrote: CWatters wrote: wrote in message ups.com... It was found in Japan that cilantro can chelate mercury. What else does it chelate? Other heavy metals, I believe. (But according to various sources, the US thimerosal removal wasn't actually performed in 1999 as advertised, so there is no need yet to look for other agents.) Ooh, "various sources." Well, there's a nice, definitive statement, isn't it? God forbid you should tell us what these "various sources," are, lest we find out you're just blowing smoke. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile." -- Anon. |
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"Rich" wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:5maOe.269691$x96.156297@attbi_s72... "Jeff" wrote in message nk.net... Too bad *organized medicine* is so far outdated, they don't know the simple things. There is no such thing as "*organized medicine*" until you give meaning to the term by defining it, Jan. Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 17 for joshew@ hawaii . rr . com There is no such thing as *organized medicine * (0.52 seconds) Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of autism-like damage in mice "Autism-like" is a subjective judgement with political overtones, not an objective observation. The term is clear evidence of the authors' bias. Searched all groups Results 1 - 4 of 4 for joshew@ hawaii . rr . com authors ' bias . (0.08 seconds) Cost and waste of time and money. Unless you provide compelling evidence that these things really work. ZZzz. *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable* *significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct* Insubstantial, imaginary, mushy, unconvincing, soft, vague, unreasonable, insignificant, incredible, inconclusive, scant, and indirect evidences are good enough for you, then, Jan? Nope. http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html Scientifically Proven Facts No one. What one cares about is evidence. So far you have offered none. All you have offered is pat replies numbers 5732748732748374, as I have just shown. snip the usual offered insult --Rich |
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"Jeff" wrote in message nk.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:5maOe.269691$x96.156297@attbi_s72... snip Jeff showing his butt? If mercury is the culprit, and you do NOT try a cure, you have hurt your child's future. Considering all of the evidence that autism is NOT caused by mercury, this is a huge "if." It is peoples' children!!!!!!!!!! Consider ALL. Let us find out the risk. It was found in Japan that cilantro can chelate mercury. Reports also say that chlorella can help in the chelation process. Peer-reviewed references that they actually help when given as directed. Too bad *organized medicine* is so far outdated, they don't know the simple things. http://www.drlaurathompson.com/scicn...tal%20Toxicity The reason they don't know these simple things is that these simple things are false. Heavy metal poisoning does not cause ADHD or autism. You are in denial, Jeff. http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/...cexposure.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html http://www.testfoundation.org/thimerosal.htm http://www.testfoundation.org/aluminumvaccines.htm However, selling a variety of products does help the sponsor of web pages make money. Health Articles by Dr. Laura Thompson N-acetylcysteine in capsule form promotes detoxification of the liver by enhancing the synthesis of glutathione. The herb and food (or spice) cilantro, often referred to as coriander, is excellent for detoxifying metals from the body as are most high chlorophyll-containing foods. Coriander is especially good for detoxifying mercury from the body. For this to work for autism, three things would have to be true: 1) Autism would have to be caused by heavy metals. 2) Damage has to be ongoing from the heavy metals. Even if mercury causes autism, once the symptoms start, it may be too late to reverse them. 3) The product advertised would actually have to work. Cilantro is a mild herb used for thousands of years, like thyme/oregano/parsley etc. It is not going to hurt your child. Chlorella is some sort of algae, and no study says it is harmful. Chemical analysis shows it has a lot of good nutrients. Several millions of Japanese have been eating it every day. So even if it did nothing else, it ought to improve your child's health a little. So will a good diet and excercise. I does NOT chelate mercury from the body. I never claimed that it does. So you feed your child cilantro and chlorella for a month, and you are wrong about mercury, and nothing happens. Big deal. So you paid a little bit of money for a bunch of cilantro from your grocery store, and some money for chlorella from your local natural food store. You also had to work a bit on your kid to feed the cilantro and chlorella. What have you really lost? Time and money that can be used for college.\ Your child dies before the age of college.\ Unlikely. Even kids with autism sometimes go to college. And most kids are capable of going to college. Oh? Cite evidence, please. Cliantro and chlorella are basically food, not medicines. An honest pediatrician cannot stop you from trying this, anymore than they can stop you from feeding your child spinach and apples. But an honest pediatician would tell you you are wasting your time. Wrong, that would be lying. Provide me with the peer-reviewed evidence that cliantro and chlorella really does anything to help kids with autism. I have provided you with truth about peer-reviewed. You have a closed mind. Let us say you did this for a month, and nothing happened. You are no worse. And if you did this for a month, and if you see a "shock to the system" recovery, what have you gained? Except that mercury is NOT the cause of autism. ZZzz. BTW, Jeff, NEWFLASH, mice are used for research. I am quite well aware of that. Uh huh. Sure you are. *Should I ever get a pet female rat, I will be sure to take this into account* .. *If I ever get mice, I will be sure to not vaccinate them*. Copyrighted material deleted. Jeff Study restored: http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm Thimerosal,New study reopens debate on vaccinations Published: Sep ,8,2004 16:21 PM By ### Special to The Wall Street Journal & Medicalnewstoday By Tara Parker-Pope The Wall Street Journal Just a few months after the nation's top medical adviser rejected a link between vaccines and autism, a mouse study has reignited the debate and raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and flu shots for their kids. For years, a cadre of parents and physicians have contended that thimerosal, an ethyl-mercury compound that has been one of the most widely used vaccine preservatives, is partly responsible for an apparent rise in autism in recent decades. But broad population studies haven't supported the claim. In May, a major report from the Institute of Medicine's Immunization Safety Review Committee rejected a link between autism and vaccines. But today, a congressional committee will review a June study from Columbia University, which found that a preservative used in vaccines can cause autism-like symptoms in a specific strain of mice. The research raises questions about whether some people might be genetically vulnerable to the effects of thimerosal. The study also raises questions about a new push by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to add flu shots to the immunization schedule for school-age kids. The vast majority of flu shots given still contain the preservative. In the study, researchers administered thimerosal to four strains of young mice. Three of the mice strains were unaffected by thimerosal, but the fourth developed problems consistent with autism such as delayed growth, social withdrawal and brain abnormalities. The mice were known to have a genetic susceptibility to mercury. Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of autism-like damage in mice A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School, led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity. Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children, with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S. boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months. The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders, including: Abnormal response to novel environments; Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased brain size. These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population, stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the interaction between genes and the environment over time. Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529 For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD, Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail: ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain-dependent" M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032 |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:w0dOe.272249$_o.52148@attbi_s71... "Jeff" wrote in message nk.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:5maOe.269691$x96.156297@attbi_s72... snip Jeff showing his butt? If mercury is the culprit, and you do NOT try a cure, you have hurt your child's future. Considering all of the evidence that autism is NOT caused by mercury, this is a huge "if." It is peoples' children!!!!!!!!!! Consider ALL. I am considering this. I am also considering that you are exposing children to an unproven treatment that will waste time, money and effort, with absolutely no evidence that it will do any good. And there is no evidence that the treatment is even safe. Rather than waste efforts on this stupid treatment, it makes much more sense to concentrate on things that have been shown to work. Let us find out the risk. It was found in Japan that cilantro can chelate mercury. Reports also say that chlorella can help in the chelation process. Peer-reviewed references that they actually help when given as directed. Too bad *organized medicine* is so far outdated, they don't know the simple things. http://www.drlaurathompson.com/scicn...tal%20Toxicity The reason they don't know these simple things is that these simple things are false. Heavy metal poisoning does not cause ADHD or autism. You are in denial, Jeff. http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/...cexposure.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html http://www.testfoundation.org/thimerosal.htm http://www.testfoundation.org/aluminumvaccines.htm The first site, whether you realize it or not, is a commercial site trying to sell a product. The testing foundation sites don't work, at least on my computer. Look at the low quality of references on the second site. Many of which were discredited and few, if any, are from the peer-reviewed research. I am not in denial. I am able to discern accurate information from inaccurate information. The information you provide is inaccurate, IMHO. However, selling a variety of products does help the sponsor of web pages make money. Health Articles by Dr. Laura Thompson Dr. Thompson has her Ph.D. in plant physiology. The web site she writes for (http://www.drlaurathompson.com/) is trying to make money. Enough said. (...) Unlikely. Even kids with autism sometimes go to college. And most kids are capable of going to college. Oh? Cite evidence, please. In some communities, more than half the kids go to college. Considering that there is very little evidence that people in other communities are less intelligent (they just happen to have the wrong color skin or the wrong ethnic background or not enough money), people in other communities can achieve just as much as people in the better off communities. Therefore, I beleive that most people have the intelligence to go to college. Cliantro and chlorella are basically food, not medicines. An honest pediatrician cannot stop you from trying this, anymore than they can stop you from feeding your child spinach and apples. But an honest pediatician would tell you you are wasting your time. Wrong, that would be lying. Provide me with the peer-reviewed evidence that cliantro and chlorella really does anything to help kids with autism. I have provided you with truth about peer-reviewed. You have a closed mind. You have provided me with opinion about peer-review. And a losy one at that. Let us say you did this for a month, and nothing happened. You are no worse. And if you did this for a month, and if you see a "shock to the system" recovery, what have you gained? Except that mercury is NOT the cause of autism. ZZzz. BTW, Jeff, NEWFLASH, mice are used for research. I am quite well aware of that. Uh huh. Sure you are. I have seen mice used for immunological research. *Should I ever get a pet female rat, I will be sure to take this into account* . *If I ever get mice, I will be sure to not vaccinate them*. Correct. I won't vaccination my mice. Copyrighted material deleted. Jeff Study restored: Copyright material deleted again. People who wish to see it can easily find it. Jeff |
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David Wright wrote:
In article . com, wrote: CWatters wrote: wrote in message ups.com... It was found in Japan that cilantro can chelate mercury. What else does it chelate? Other heavy metals, I believe. (But according to various sources, the US thimerosal removal wasn't actually performed in 1999 as advertised, so there is no need yet to look for other agents.) Ooh, "various sources." Well, there's a nice, definitive statement, isn't it? God forbid you should tell us what these "various sources," are, lest we find out you're just blowing smoke. When, when I find I am dealing with intellectually dishonest opponents, I find myself free to provide information or not -- for anything I do provide will simply become fodder for further dishonest responses. |
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Majusmaximum wrote:
Just an added bit of info: whether you use basic, simple methods like the cilantro & chlorella you mentioned, or something a bit harsher (DMPS), or something more unusual (the detox foot patches, which on analysis have shown mercury deposits), in any event you have to give the child something to "suck up" and carry out, as soon as possible, the mercury, before it resettles into the tissues (again) - causing a horrible new set of symptoms. Alginate, concentrated from seaweed, is normally used. It comes in various forms. This is not the last word in heavy metal detox. Hope you will do more research and good luck. The chlorella is supposed to bind to ("suck up") and carry out the mercury, though this is a relatively un-researched field, and I am sure better remedies must exist. |
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wrote in message ups.com... CWatters wrote: wrote in message ups.com... It was found in Japan that cilantro can chelate mercury. What else does it chelate? Other heavy metals, I believe. If it's so powerful that it can chelate mercury might it also make you deficient in minerals like zinc? |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:w0dOe.272249$_o.52148@attbi_s71... Considering all of the evidence that autism is NOT caused by mercury, this is a huge "if." It is peoples' children!!!!!!!!!! Consider ALL. If Cilantro soaksup mercury so well isn't there a risk that the plant might itself contain high levels of mercury if it's grown in the wrong place? |
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