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The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers". That's an issue that needs to be addressed to the local school board who has control over the students. -- Rumpty Radial Arm Saw Forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/woodbutcher/start - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Herman Rubin" wrote in message ... In article , enigma wrote: "Bob Coleslaw" wrote in : Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use that money to fix up the public schools? vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars used to fund any type of private school, especially not any flavor of parochial school. i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one, but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who can't go to private school for whatever reason. vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who need better schools the most. lee At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good degree in mathematics or science or engineering or agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school education corresponding to his abilities. The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers". -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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my question is who is this wank? and what is he smoking, and why is he doing
it on the wood form? John Emmons wrote: you might think that folks who knows so much about the state of education would also know how to set their computers up so as to not cross post their crap all over USENET... "Herman Rubin" wrote in message ... In article , Bob Coleslaw wrote: Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use that money to fix up the public schools? On this question, I have no problems. The public schools, as they are run, are hopeless. The idea that children should be with their age groups, instead of being taught to the best of their abilities, whatever they may be, is antithetic to real learning. Even the idea of a child being in a "grade" needs to be scrapped. Also, most of the teachers can no longer teach concepts. One does not learn to understand concepts by memorization and other rote material. The not too strong mathematics courses of most of a century ago have been scrapped in favor of teaching how to get answers where the questions are not even known, instead of incorporating the conceptual advances of the late 19th and early to mid 20th centuries. Attempts to teach the concepts to teachers have been largely unsuccessful; they know too much that ain't so. At this time, we do not have a good idea how to teach well, so we will need to have lack of control. There are now very few academic private schools. Most will continue to use the public schools while we find out how to do even a fair job of teaching, and I suspect we will end up with mainly electronic schools, not computer programs. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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In ,
Jill wrote: (Hillary Israeli) wrote in : * * As the parent of a private school kid (and ultimately, I expect, * three private school kids) I completely agree. I don't want to * take away my support of the public school system. * * *Don't forget that vouchers will kill the private schools by forcing too *many unqualified minority kids into their classrooms. Just like *"bussing" in the '70s. Huh? First of all, I don't believe bussing killed public schools or private schools or anything at all (i'm not sure what you're trying to say bussing did, actually). Second, vouchers will not kill private schools by forcing anyone anywhere. Just because a voucher makes someone able to pay the tuition, that does not make the holder of the voucher otherwise eligible to attend the school. Most of the private schools I looked at have other types of requirements as well - the kid has to have a certain IQ and/or test score on some kind of screening test, and has to pass interviews or observations, or whatever. -- Hillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx |
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wrote in message ups.com... hey...why are you posting on rec woodworking?....perhaps you might need some higher education so you will know how to post correctly Rec.woodworking? Hi Tim! |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:29:48 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "Herman Rubin" wrote in message ... In article , Bob Coleslaw wrote: Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use that money to fix up the public schools? On this question, I have no problems. The public schools, as they are run, are hopeless. That's for sure. They are huge money pits and the administration and teachers just want to get bigger budgets. Put some discipline back in the school, eliminate tenure and fire the bad teachers, and get on with education at half the cost. How about eliminating tenure for the college profs like Herman first. People who complain about tenure in the public schools haven't the first idea about why it was instituted and how it works. There is a procedure to be followed when you want to fire a tenured teacher. It's not all that hard if the administrators are not lazy. They need to document the reasons for the firing, that's all that is needed. While in many places teachers are NOT fired, this is not because of the fact that they have tenure, but because incompetent administrators don't want to go through the paperwork and document any charges they make. It's easier for them to simply transfer the teacher or to try to make his or her life miserable enough so that they will quit instead. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:13:52 +0000 (UTC), "Bob Coleslaw"
wrote: Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use that money to fix up the public schools? Bob Coleslaw The latter. |
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