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PE/Recess time mandates
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:22:25 -0500, "Donna Metler"
wrote: It really depends on the curriculum. My district uses the SPARK curriculum for PE, which emphasizes life skills, and includes quite a bit of dance. In fact, since I am an Orff specialist, PE and I plan together, because often her movement objectives and mine match, so they may learn some of the steps in PE, then use them with a song they're singing with me, to create a new line dance (which both classes would do in the gym, where they have some space). And my son who loves team sports would have hated this. Why can't they have a choice instead of trying to make all kids do the same things? I object to PE on the grounds that different kids have different interests and abilities and should be able to choose the activity that suits them best after elementary school when they have been exposed to all the different choices. My dd would have chosen dance. I would have chosen swimming and perhaps soccer or basketball. My son would have chosen any team sports other than swimming. Others might choose marching band or individual sports like tennis or ice skating or karate or aerobics. All of these require a good level of physical activity and can be used to promote healthy bodies. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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In article , Naomi Pardue says...
Anyone here have a kid who is always picked *last* for every team sport? Do you realize how traumatic that is for your kid? I can guarantee that will affect him/her for most of his adult life. IMO **all** team sports should be completely eliminated from PE classes, for this reason alone. Uhhh... so you don't think that it might be, in some way, helpful for kids to learn how to play soccer/softball/baseketball/volleyball/ etc. No, the solution isn't to elimiate team sports. The solution to to find ways of picking teams that does not involve having a team captain select team-mates on the basis of ability. (i.e., you have the kids line up and count off, or you do it alphabetically, or the teacher selects permanent teams at the beginning of the school year, balanced for ability ... or any of a dozen other fair or equitable methods.) Well, that addresses part of the problem. But then you have the less talented players - this expression being especially appropos here - standing out in left field! Still a humiliating waste - those kids don't even get exersice. I'm not so sure I'd say team sports should be eliminated. But they're less uniformly valuable in PE than other sports and skills. It's a skill that can only be really practiced and only benefits the kids if they - join a team. But then, that's always available outside PE! So it's really only good for the purpose of getting kids exposed to the sports and rules. That's a pretty good argument for team sports in PE. But I woudln't be upset if they eliminated team sports in PE either. It really has to do with what goals are appropriate for PE. Banty |
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"toto" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:22:25 -0500, "Donna Metler" wrote: It really depends on the curriculum. My district uses the SPARK curriculum for PE, which emphasizes life skills, and includes quite a bit of dance. In fact, since I am an Orff specialist, PE and I plan together, because often her movement objectives and mine match, so they may learn some of the steps in PE, then use them with a song they're singing with me, to create a new line dance (which both classes would do in the gym, where they have some space). And my son who loves team sports would have hated this. Why can't they have a choice instead of trying to make all kids do the same things? In a perfect world, with lots of teachers and places the kids can go, maybe. A large high school probably could do this. In an elementary school, where maybe 30 kids are at PE at once and there's one teacher, the best the teacher can do is to provide different activities, so the kids are playing basketball one week and folk dancing the next. Group and individual games, cross country running, roller skating, bowling, tennis, jumping rope, tumbling, and lots of other things. Most of my inner city students don't have the opportunity to take swimming lessons, dance classes, or play little league or youth soccer, so PE is their exposure to different activities. When they then have the opportunity to select activities they've at least got some idea of what the different ones are-which wouldn't come from being allowed to play the same things every week, all year. PE is not open play. It is a class, and a good program allows the students a lot of exposure to different things. |
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I concure with Donna. My average class size is approximately 48 students at
the middle school level. In a perfect education system these numbers would be A LOT lower! Our job is to introduce students to a variety of activities and then as the child gets older he/she can have sevel options for an active lifestyle. We all had a subject in school we didn't like, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be exposed to that curriculum. Donna, you and I might be in the same district, because we too use SPARK. The emphasis is on success! As far as picking teams, we NEVER have students pick teams. Boy, if there are still PE teachers out there that let students stand up in front of the whole class and humiliate their peers by picking teams, I am very embarressed for my profession! This has been outlawed in physical education classes for some time. Somebody needs to give those teachers a kick in the butt!!! Sorry to hear there have been so many bad experiences with physical education out there. Lets hope some of these old school teachers either move out of the 50's or move out all together! Best wishes for all those PE students out there! Amy Hunt "Donna Metler" wrote in message .. . "toto" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:22:25 -0500, "Donna Metler" wrote: It really depends on the curriculum. My district uses the SPARK curriculum for PE, which emphasizes life skills, and includes quite a bit of dance. In fact, since I am an Orff specialist, PE and I plan together, because often her movement objectives and mine match, so they may learn some of the steps in PE, then use them with a song they're singing with me, to create a new line dance (which both classes would do in the gym, where they have some space). And my son who loves team sports would have hated this. Why can't they have a choice instead of trying to make all kids do the same things? In a perfect world, with lots of teachers and places the kids can go, maybe. A large high school probably could do this. In an elementary school, where maybe 30 kids are at PE at once and there's one teacher, the best the teacher can do is to provide different activities, so the kids are playing basketball one week and folk dancing the next. Group and individual games, cross country running, roller skating, bowling, tennis, jumping rope, tumbling, and lots of other things. Most of my inner city students don't have the opportunity to take swimming lessons, dance classes, or play little league or youth soccer, so PE is their exposure to different activities. When they then have the opportunity to select activities they've at least got some idea of what the different ones are-which wouldn't come from being allowed to play the same things every week, all year. PE is not open play. It is a class, and a good program allows the students a lot of exposure to different things. |
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"Donna Metler" wrote:
"toto" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:22:25 -0500, "Donna Metler" wrote: It really depends on the curriculum. My district uses the SPARK curriculum for PE, which emphasizes life skills, and includes quite a bit of dance. In fact, since I am an Orff specialist, PE and I plan together, because often her movement objectives and mine match, so they may learn some of the steps in PE, then use them with a song they're singing with me, to create a new line dance (which both classes would do in the gym, where they have some space). And my son who loves team sports would have hated this. Why can't they have a choice instead of trying to make all kids do the same things? In a perfect world, with lots of teachers and places the kids can go, maybe. A large high school probably could do this. In an elementary school, where maybe 30 kids are at PE at once and there's one teacher, the best the teacher can do is to provide different activities, so the kids are playing basketball one week and folk dancing the next. Group and individual games, cross country running, roller skating, bowling, tennis, jumping rope, tumbling, and lots of other things. Well Dorothy did say - after elementary school that they should ought to have a choice. Most of my inner city students don't have the opportunity to take swimming lessons, dance classes, or play little league or youth soccer, so PE is their exposure to different activities. When they then have the opportunity to select activities they've at least got some idea of what the different ones are-which wouldn't come from being allowed to play the same things every week, all year. PE is not open play. It is a class, and a good program allows the students a lot of exposure to different things. grandma Rosalie |
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: Uhhh... so you don't think that it might be, in some way, helpful for kids
to : learn how to play soccer/softball/baseketball/volleyball/ etc. No. Why should they? -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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: Well, that addresses part of the problem. But then you have the less
talented : players - this expression being especially appropos here - standing out in left : field! Still a humiliating waste - those kids don't even get exersice. Precisely. Plus there's the collective groan from the rest of the kids when they find out *you* wound up on their team. : So it's really only good for the purpose of getting kids exposed to the sports : and rules. That's a pretty good argument for team sports in PE. Why does that require team sports? So a kid doesn't know the rules of basketball, who gives a crap? If you just want them to get used to sports with rules, what about tennis? Racquetball? Numerous other sports that require competition and physical activity without teams? -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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In article ,
"Donna Metler" wrote: "toto" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:22:25 -0500, "Donna Metler" wrote: It really depends on the curriculum. My district uses the SPARK curriculum for PE, which emphasizes life skills, and includes quite a bit of dance. In fact, since I am an Orff specialist, PE and I plan together, because often her movement objectives and mine match, so they may learn some of the steps in PE, then use them with a song they're singing with me, to create a new line dance (which both classes would do in the gym, where they have some space). And my son who loves team sports would have hated this. Why can't they have a choice instead of trying to make all kids do the same things? In a perfect world, with lots of teachers and places the kids can go, maybe. A large high school probably could do this. In an elementary school, where maybe 30 kids are at PE at once and there's one teacher, the best the teacher can do is to provide different activities, so the kids are playing basketball one week and folk dancing the next. Group and individual games, cross country running, roller skating, bowling, tennis, jumping rope, tumbling, and lots of other things. Most of my inner city students don't have the opportunity to take swimming lessons, dance classes, or play little league or youth soccer, so PE is their exposure to different activities. When they then have the opportunity to select activities they've at least got some idea of what the different ones are-which wouldn't come from being allowed to play the same things every week, all year. PE is not open play. It is a class, and a good program allows the students a lot of exposure to different things. By high school, most kids know what they want and enjoy. In my kids' schools there have been 4 to 6 PE classes going on at a time each period; these schools are huge, with between 1500 and 2000 kids in each grade level. Still, everyone has to take exactly the same PE, with exactly the same mix of activities. This isn't an issue of not enough teachers or places: all of these kids are taking PE. It may well be an issue of not wanting the complexity of scheduleing if you allow kids choices -- certainly it would be more complicated -- but I think it would be much more satisfying and good for the kids if there were at least SOME sort of choice available, especially for those who are not athletically inclined. meh -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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dragonlady wrote:
In article , "Donna Metler" wrote: In a perfect world, with lots of teachers and places the kids can go, maybe. A large high school probably could do this. In an elementary school, where maybe 30 kids are at PE at once and there's one teacher, the best the teacher can do is to provide different activities, so the kids are playing basketball one week and folk dancing the next. Group and individual games, cross country running, roller skating, bowling, tennis, jumping rope, tumbling, and lots of other things. Most of my inner city students don't have the opportunity to take swimming lessons, dance classes, or play little league or youth soccer, so PE is their exposure to different activities. When they then have the opportunity to select activities they've at least got some idea of what the different ones are-which wouldn't come from being allowed to play the same things every week, all year. PE is not open play. It is a class, and a good program allows the students a lot of exposure to different things. By high school, most kids know what they want and enjoy. In my kids' schools there have been 4 to 6 PE classes going on at a time each period; these schools are huge, with between 1500 and 2000 kids in each grade level. Still, everyone has to take exactly the same PE, with exactly the same mix of activities. This isn't an issue of not enough teachers or places: all of these kids are taking PE. It may well be an issue of not wanting the complexity of scheduleing if you allow kids choices -- certainly it would be more complicated -- but I think it would be much more satisfying and good for the kids if there were at least SOME sort of choice available, especially for those who are not athletically inclined. In my dd#3's PE classes, they did a lot of conditioning and running - ds also. One doesn't have to be athletically inclined to benefit from that. She didn't like doing it, but it was beneficial for her. She was active in and skilled in individual sports, as her freshman year she was doing combined training on the national level successfully. The running helped her compete in ... having a senior moment .. one less sport than pentathlons .. which in this case was running, swimming, shooting and riding. They eliminated the fencing. So they had two endurance sports and two skill sports. grandma Rosalie |
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