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So much for the claims about Sweden
On 4 Nov 2003, Kane wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:44:29 -0800, Doan wrote: On 4 Nov 2003, Kane wrote: Doan wrote in message ... Instead of post propaganda from a no-spanking website, The location of the information appears to be logical. Only to the anti-spanking zealotS! ;-) why not post the study by Durrant and let's compare data? Durrant et al cannot stand up to the wealth of information that shows spanking to be detrimental, and rates of child abuse dropping in countries where spanking is outlawed. Then post the rates before and after the anti-spanking laws were passed. I DARE YOU! As pointed out previously, child abuse was a seldom reported event in Sweden unless death or serious injury of the child resulted prior to the anti spanking law. The law itself caused more child abuse to be reported as people became more aware of the problem. And your proof is??? Where is the data? The government mounted a very extensive campaign to not only promote nonspanking alternatives they also mounted a considerable one to make people more aware of abuse. Go figger. And your proof is??? But going by your comment above, you actually have no idea what you are talking about. On the contrary. I know bias and propaganda when I see it. Is that why you posted the Maurer study? Then spouted that spanking is not physical punishment when confronted? :-) DO YOU KNOW WHO DURRANT IS??? ;-) Of course. Joan is the two faced darling of the spanking crowd. While claiming to support the anti spanking viewpoint about harm to the children she supports that parents should be the sole arbiters of what is and isn't abusive. And your proof is? She is often quoted by right wing conservative Christians to preserve their right to beat their children and call it spanking. Cite one! Anything else? Yes! How is it like making a fool of yourself in public? ;-0 Do you want to know the truth, Yes, and it isn't in you. LOL! I posted fact, you posted propaganda! I posted opinion. You posted what you called a study that isn't any such thing. It was a review of other's research. As such it is more opinion and bias than fact. Everybody has an opinion. Facts are backed up with supporting data. Do you have any supporting dat? And I bet you actually believe the propaganda is truth! ;-) You certainly seem to. I don't copy stuff from an anti-spanking site! How about the "information" that states that allow paddling "correlate" to higher murder rate??? :-) Find me some murderers that weren't paddled. And what does that proof? Kane? Having trouble remembering who you are posting to? Not at all, Kane9! Not at all! How about the 98% that went to college and the 95% that became professionals? Hey, there is a "reason" not to spank your kids, according to Kane! ;-) Find me some prison inmates and murderers that weren't spanked. And don't forget, they drank milk as children too...try to pass that little piece of garbage off on the unwary. LOL! It was you who posted the Maurer study! Are so stupid? Take a look at the brain scan information I pointed to recently. It's all coming down around you vicious savages ears, Doan. Won't be long now. What brain scan information? Didn't some poster already bested you on that? ;-) Doan? Doan snipping the usual blather. Typical cargo-cult mentality - can't deal with the truth! The idea that because a child obeys they have been "disciplined" is a perfect example of "cargo-cult" thinking. Form rather than function. LOL! What a cop-out! ;-) This is the "report" of a notorious pro spanking bunch of nitwits like you. LOL! And your post from a anti-spanking website is objective??? The subject isn't objective. The subject is always subjective. You'll just have to learn to live with it, oftenspankedboy. Science depends on being objective! Once again you have demonstrated your "cargo-cult" mentality! ;-) Logic and the anti-spanking zealotS, are they mutually exclusive? ;-) Truth and the pro spanking fanatics, are they mutually incompatible? Nope! There is no pro-spanking fanatics here - only anti-spanking zealotS sticking their noses into other people's asses! ;-) It's not a study of spanking. It's a review and opinion of others work. Poorly written and more obviously weakly supported propaganda. What a idiot! It happenned to be the same data that Durrant used "selectively" to say that child abuse rate in Sweden is down. If you have read the actual study, she admitted that the data didn't reach "statistical significant"!!! So what you posted was third-hand report by anti-spanking zealotS using information that has not stood up even to casual scientific standard. Have you read the entirety of the report you posted? While the authors wish badly to come to some conclusions that protect the ancient tradition of torturing children when one reads closely they find huge holes in the information. Torture children??? Come on, Kane! You can do better than that! :-) For instance they list child homicides as support for the idea that not spanking raising child deaths by parents...yet, no matter how hard I search I cannot find a single mention that PARENTS killed all those children that were murdered. Nope. They all died of nutural causes! ;-) Now why is that missing in supposedly so balanced and professional a report? Perhaps you should ask Durrant! It is the same data that she worked with! I notice they also put in numerous disclaimers about collecting methods for the very evidence they use to support their final conclusions. Perhaps that is what the data they have available. Unlike you, you have no data at all! ;-) And note, no mention of things that would skew the data like false reporting of abuse, a common problem. Notice there was a serious difference in reportage also with police vs cps. In the US it would be extremely difficult to have one kind of report with the other. CPS and the police routinely share abuse complaints. Not so in Sweden. Perhaps you should read it again. It was the data reported by Hauser - THE CO-FOUNDER OF EPOCH-USA!!! Is your brain stopped working or you are actually this stupid??? In other words, you silly little smartass twit, it's a mess that leaves plenty of loopholes for your dedicated child torturers to exploit. It is the same data used by anti-spanking zealotS being brough to light! You are so stupid to not realize that! :-0 I'd call that propaganda, wouldn't you? Yup! If that is the kind of data anti-spankin zealotS used to support their house of cards! Nice try. You, once again, proven to be a fool! Your're Blowin' smoke up the reader's collective ass's again doan. LOL! Nope, Kane. I stayed away from people's asses. It's the anti-spanking zealotS who kept sticking their noses in other people asses! Haven't you learnt that yet? ;-) You are incapable of thinking logically. I am proud to say that I am incapable of thinking with YOUR kind of 'logic.' And you proved it in every posts! :-) I am proud to say you are a "never-spanked" boy! :-) I am proud to say you are a compulsive liar, as you so demonstrated in this ngs. Now, that is not a nice thing to say. You sound like you can't argue coherently and resorting to ad-hom attacks again. How typical! :-0 You don't know whether I was or not. Hence you are a liar to say so. On the other hand you have admitted to being spanked. LOL! So I lied about being spanked??? ;-) Doan Happy trails, Kane Same to you. ;-) Doan |
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