Are chiropractors physicians?

"David" wrote in message
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You are a BULL**** ARTIST. You claimed that you wrote and published. That
is
BULL****. You never published anything unless you call you postings to
Usenet "publishing". And yet you are still here blathering on as though
anyone should believe you. You are not a Doctor, though you claim to be.
I hope you get caught and go to prison.


Looks like David is finally starting to lose it...

Actually, I'm surprised he lasted this long. Clearly, he is a moron.

HMc

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Howard McCollister wrote:

"David" wrote in message
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You are a BULL**** ARTIST. You claimed that you wrote and published. That
is
BULL****. You never published anything unless you call you postings to
Usenet "publishing". And yet you are still here blathering on as though
anyone should believe you. You are not a Doctor, though you claim to be.
I hope you get caught and go to prison.


Looks like David is finally starting to lose it...

Actually, I'm surprised he lasted this long. Clearly, he is a moron.

Be kind -- he may be suffering from urine autointoxication.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David" wrote:

"Orac" wrote in message
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"Chotii" wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Funny how you keeping calling what I say "BS", yet you offer no proof
that
I
am incorrect.

Except multiple firsthand accounts.

Really? What first-hand accounts? Be specific, please.


But I guess personal experience doesn't
mean anything to you?

It does, but one has to know its proper place within the hierarchy of
evidence. Alties don't.

You are a BULL**** ARTIST. You claimed that you wrote and published. That is
BULL****. You never published anything unless you call you postings to
Usenet "publishing".

LOL! I'll make the same offer I've made others who doubted my
credentials: E-mail me privately and perhaps I'll send you a reprint or
two, or perhaps I'll send you a link to a Medline search on me. Or would
you prefer a scanned copy of my medical degree?

I know I must be getting to you when you go so far out of your way to
try to discredit me. You're finally losing it. It didn't take long, did
it?


And yet you are still here blathering on as though
anyone should believe you. You are not a Doctor, though you claim to be.
I hope you get caught and go to prison.

Why don't you report me to the authorities for impersonating a doctor,
then? If you do, it'll be too bad that I won't be able to see the look
on your face when the cops tell you the truth. It would be most amusing.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Mark Probert" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
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"Orac" wrote in message
news
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"Chotii" wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Funny how you keeping calling what I say "BS", yet you offer no
proof
that
I
am incorrect.

Except multiple firsthand accounts.

Really? What first-hand accounts? Be specific, please.


But I guess personal experience doesn't
mean anything to you?

It does, but one has to know its proper place within the hierarchy of
evidence. Alties don't.
You are a BULL**** ARTIST. You claimed that you wrote and published. That
is
BULL****. You never published anything unless you call you postings to
Usenet "publishing". And yet you are still here blathering on as though
anyone should believe you. You are not a Doctor, though you claim to be.
I hope you get caught and go to prison.

Orac, under his real name, was published in January, May, August and
September of 2003, for starters.

And I have two more in press that should hopefully come out before the
end of the year (although I wouldn't be too upset if one of them didn't
come out until 2004). ;-)

Of course, 2002 was a very bad year for me. No publications at all. Very
disappointing.

[Snip]

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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(David Wright) wrote:

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Howard McCollister wrote:

"David" wrote in message
link.net...

You are a BULL**** ARTIST. You claimed that you wrote and published. That
is
BULL****. You never published anything unless you call you postings to
Usenet "publishing". And yet you are still here blathering on as though
anyone should believe you. You are not a Doctor, though you claim to be.
I hope you get caught and go to prison.


Looks like David is finally starting to lose it...

Actually, I'm surprised he lasted this long. Clearly, he is a moron.

Be kind -- he may be suffering from urine autointoxication.

Well, that could happen if he drank enough of his own urine.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Orac wrote:
In article ,
(David Wright) wrote:

In article ,
Howard McCollister wrote:

"David" wrote in message
link.net...

You are a BULL**** ARTIST. You claimed that you wrote and published. That
is
BULL****. You never published anything unless you call you postings to
Usenet "publishing". And yet you are still here blathering on as though
anyone should believe you. You are not a Doctor, though you claim to be.
I hope you get caught and go to prison.


Looks like David is finally starting to lose it...

Actually, I'm surprised he lasted this long. Clearly, he is a moron.

Be kind -- he may be suffering from urine autointoxication.

Well, that could happen if he drank enough of his own urine.

That's my point -- he's the guy who likes to trumpet the virtues of
urine as medicine (both topical and ingested).

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Chotii" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Funny how you keeping calling what I say "BS", yet you offer no proof
that
I
am incorrect.

Except multiple firsthand accounts. But I guess personal experience
doesn't
mean anything to you?

--angela

Show us the published data. "First-hand accounts" are anecdotes.

I am afraid that these "Personal experiences" do not mean anything to me. I
do not find the reporter (angela) trust-worthy.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Chotii" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Funny how you keeping calling what I say "BS", yet you offer no proof
that
I
am incorrect.

Except multiple firsthand accounts. But I guess personal experience
doesn't
mean anything to you?

--angela

Show us the published data. "First-hand accounts" are anecdotes.

I am afraid that these "Personal experiences" do not mean anything to me.
I
do not find the reporter (angela) trust-worthy.

I'm quite aware that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.

On the other hand, I see you making claims about chiropractors that are
sweeping and overgeneralising. Absolutely, some of them are absolute
nutcases, making absurd claims to be able to do things they *can't* do.
Like cure a heart attack. That's why phrases like 'caveat emptor' exist.
That doesn't mean they're all nutcases, nor that they all make such claims.

--angela

"Chotii" wrote in message
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Show us the published data. "First-hand accounts" are anecdotes.

I am afraid that these "Personal experiences" do not mean anything to
me.
I
do not find the reporter (angela) trust-worthy.

I'm quite aware that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.

With all do respect, you don't act like you really understand this.

On the other hand, I see you making claims about chiropractors that are
sweeping and overgeneralising. Absolutely, some of them are absolute
nutcases, making absurd claims to be able to do things they *can't* do.
Like cure a heart attack. That's why phrases like 'caveat emptor' exist.
That doesn't mean they're all nutcases, nor that they all make such
claims.

--angela

The problem is chiropractic is that theoretical framework that it is built
on is wrong. Sublaxations do not exist. So if their entire system is based
on a flawed system, why would you think any of them are any good?

You should try reading "Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud"
by Robert Park. Excellent book about beliefs gone haywire and how to find
them. BTW, I don't recall if chiropractic is mentioned by name in the book.
But it is a good overview of bad science.

Two websites (www.quackwatch.com and www.chirobase.com) both provide good
information about chiropractic.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Chotii" wrote in message
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(...)

Show us the published data. "First-hand accounts" are anecdotes.

I am afraid that these "Personal experiences" do not mean anything to
me.
I
do not find the reporter (angela) trust-worthy.

I'm quite aware that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.

With all do respect, you don't act like you really understand this.

I do understand it. That doesn't mean that just because I have never been
part of a study, wherein I was randomly assigned to have back/neck pain
treated by medications/rest, or chiropractic adjustment, that my own
personal experiences, or the observed experiences of people in my life, mean
nothing to me. I realise they mean nothing to *you*. But why would they?

On the other hand, I see you making claims about chiropractors that are
sweeping and overgeneralising. Absolutely, some of them are absolute
nutcases, making absurd claims to be able to do things they *can't* do.
Like cure a heart attack. That's why phrases like 'caveat emptor'
exist.
That doesn't mean they're all nutcases, nor that they all make such
claims.

--angela

The problem is chiropractic is that theoretical framework that it is built
on is wrong. Sublaxations do not exist. So if their entire system is based
on a flawed system, why would you think any of them are any good?

If I get my shoulder or my hip joint knocked out of place, nobody in their
right mind would suggest any other course of treatment but that the ball
should be slipped back into the socket. If such joints can become
misaligned through trauma, why is it so impossible to believe that other
joints, such as vertebral or pelvis joints, can similarly become misaligned
through trauma - childbirth, or the impact of a car crash or a football
tackle, and so on? But ah, no: "subluxations do not exist". Period. Ever.
Regardless of circumstance. Right?

After my daughter was born 6 weeks ago, I found I could not lie flat on my
back without pain. Something was wrong in my pelvis or sacrum. I didn't know
what, but it hurt. I went to my chiropractor, he made one adjustment that
day, and another the next. I could lie flat without much discomfort
*immediately* after the first adjustment; completely without pain after the
second. After the second adjustment he said "See you back in a month." No
requirement that I come in three times a week for the rest of my life. We
addressed the immediate problem and let my body sort out the rest. Which it
did.

With personal experiences like this, I don't care if it's hogwash, snake
oil, poppycock, horsefeathers, or plain and simple placebo: lack of pain -
and not having to take drugs to achieve that state - is good. And I don't
need a study to tell me my pain was all in my head, or an MD to tell me to
take muscle-relaxers indefinitely, or to just learn to live with it. Not
when I can at least *try* to address specific problems more directly.

--angela