Child Support Enforcement A Fraud

"teachrmama" ) writes:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" ) fails to grasp that her choices aren't
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"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" ) writes:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
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"Andre Lieven" wrote
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Yeah, didn't he know that all that is only OK if one is a woman...
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Exactly WHO is it that claimed that, Andre?

Certainly wasn't me. I say the same thing to any money-hungry person
who posts that they are not being given enough for luxuries.

Yet, the CS recipience is apparently recieving way, way, less than the
CS tables suggest that he be getting.

I'd be more convinced by seeing woman getting less than guideline
payments being criticised for demanding a penny more...

You need to keep reading my posts then, Andre. I think that ONLY
basics
should be covered by child support, and all extras should be provided
by loving parents--not by force or court order!

Well, three growing teens can easily eat some $195 a month. Now, I grant
that,
as CS is supposed to be about, but never seems to be when its a *man
being
made to pay*, that that $195 should only cover 50% of the kids'
groceries, the CP paying the other 50%.

But, I repeat, its churlish to claim that a *man* getting $195 a month
for *three teens* is demanding " luxury cash ".

I actually did not say that he was getting "luxury cash," Andre.

You wrote: " ... who posts that they are not being given enough for
luxuries. "

Now, please explain that paying $390 ( Her $195 CS and his matching 50% )
to provide for three teens leaves money for luxuries.

I actually enumerated the things I saw as luxuries, Andre. I never actually
commented on the $195 figure.

Thus rendering your claims moot.

I said
that some of the things on his list of needs were not actually needs.
Such
as auto insurance for his teenage driver. If he wants the kid to drive,
he should pay for the insurance.

Why ? Doesn't that kid have TWO parents ? Why does a woman get a walk on
such ?

Any NCP should get to walk on that should they want to do so.

If you wnat to demand that all others live by your " What Should Be " Rules,
then you will find that few will be able to, as they face a NEED to deal with
The World That IS...

Only the
paernts who want to provide cars for their children with all that comes with
that should do so--nobody should be forced to do so.

Yes, we are all aware of your narcissism. But, as you are NOT God, your
say means... nothing. Get over yourself.

Or, better yet, require the teen who wants to
drive to work to pay all expenses for their own car. School lunches were
another item. Let them take sack lunches, or pay for it yourself. He
also
complains about the insurance--"on top of what I pay for myself and my
wife." What he pays for himself and his wife has NOTHING to do with the
chidren, nor should it.

Yes, actually it does have to do with it; every dime he pays out on
family expenses, is one less dime to care for the teens with.

Oh, so you think the mother should have to help pay for HIS insurance as
well as her replacement's insurance? Interesting.......

Indeed, as you are, once again, making up fiction out of nothing.

Do you think that $40,000 per year is a reasonable
amount to spend on the basic needs of 3 children?

I gotta see where $195 a month equals $40K a year... Did you not see my
TWO
cites of " $195 a month ", above ? You definitely failed to comment or
cite about them. " Silence gives assent ", and all.

Of course it doesn't, much as you might want to believe that.

As you have offered NO proof that the figure is inaccurate, it stands,
and your claims... fail.

I think that might be just a bit inflated.

You might, but lets see your prior comments when a CP mom making $60K
a year, with her ex making about the same when they split up, but who
later founded a company, and went to six digits, then said CP mom, who
was up to then getting $24K ( Tax free ) in CS demanding a bump in the
CS to the level of $5K per month, per kid, and that went to the Cdn
Supreme Court, and she got it ?

So, she makes $60K, after taxes, likely not more than $40K, and then
she gets $120K a year *tax free*, and thats not about enriching *her*
lifestyle a tad ?

I don't believe in lifestyle child support. I believe in splitting the
costs of the basic needs of the children. Period.

So, show how you can support THREE TEENS on $390 a month, total...

No proof offered ? Narcissistic cow**** claim still fails.

I don't buy complaints about this, when its about one of the relatively
*few men* getting CS. Let us know when HALF the CS Payors are women,
then we'll talk about the " injustice ".

Equality; It really does mean 50/50.

Well, Andre, if you think that people are not entitled to have opinions
until they meet some arbitrary goal set by you, then you are not in a very
realistic place, are you?

" Ad hominem, the last refuge of the *whipped* scoundrel. " anon.

People can have opinions, just like they have assholes. But, pushing
an opinion WITHOUT any FACTS only shows that the pusher is as smart as
the asshole...

But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".

Andre

"Andre Lieven" wrote
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But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
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So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per month?
==

"Gini" ) plays with her latest Straw Woman:
"Andre Lieven" wrote
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But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per month?

Thanks for proving that you, as well, could NOT dispute the FACT that that
sum for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".

Andre

"Gini" wrote in message
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"Andre Lieven" wrote
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But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per
month?
==

He certainly does rant, doesn't he? I think the scariest part is his
wanting to see as many women treated wrongly by the system as there are men
wrongly treated by the system. Do you think he reads posts with an open
mond, or just reads them to find things to argue about? Such a sad little
goal in life!

On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:28:42 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"Gini" wrote in message
news:wVlCg.3594$f8.1120@trndny09...

"Andre Lieven" wrote
.............................

But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per
month?
==

He certainly does rant, doesn't he? I think the scariest part is his
wanting to see as many women treated wrongly by the system as there are men
wrongly treated by the system. Do you think he reads posts with an open
mond, or just reads them to find things to argue about? Such a sad little
goal in life!


While you girls are chatting over your coffee, why not try trimming
your headers?

Ah your goal here is not to communicate your displeasure at Andre's
posting but to stir the pot...

A jury is 12 individuals who decides who has the best lawyer.
- Mark Twain

"Andre Lieven" wrote
"Gini" plays with her latest Straw Woman:
"Andre Lieven" wrote
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==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per
month?

Thanks for proving that you, as well, could NOT dispute the FACT that that
sum for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
Why didn't you answer the question, Andre?

"teachrmama" wrote
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Do you think he reads posts with an open
mond, or just reads them to find things to argue about?
==
I don't think he reads them at all.

"GL Fowler" wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:28:42 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"Gini" wrote in message
news:wVlCg.3594$f8.1120@trndny09...

"Andre Lieven" wrote
.............................

But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per
month?
==

He certainly does rant, doesn't he? I think the scariest part is his
wanting to see as many women treated wrongly by the system as there are
men
wrongly treated by the system. Do you think he reads posts with an open
mond, or just reads them to find things to argue about? Such a sad little
goal in life!


While you girls are chatting over your coffee, why not try trimming
your headers?

Actually, I'm not certain which newsgroup he is posting from, and if I trim
the headers he might not see my responses.

On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:04:32 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"GL Fowler" wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:28:42 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"Gini" wrote in message
news:wVlCg.3594$f8.1120@trndny09...

"Andre Lieven" wrote
.............................

But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per
month?
==

He certainly does rant, doesn't he? I think the scariest part is his
wanting to see as many women treated wrongly by the system as there are
men
wrongly treated by the system. Do you think he reads posts with an open
mond, or just reads them to find things to argue about? Such a sad little
goal in life!


While you girls are chatting over your coffee, why not try trimming
your headers?

Actually, I'm not certain which newsgroup he is posting from, and if I trim
the headers he might not see my responses.


Bad Day at Blackrock, Momma? You were responding to Gini's comment,
not his, see three paragraphs above this. You two wish to chat it up,
why blather into three newsgroups and then make it his fault. Damn!!

A jury is 12 individuals who decides who has the best lawyer.
- Mark Twain

teachrmama wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message
news:wVlCg.3594$f8.1120@trndny09...

"Andre Lieven" wrote
.............................

But, thanks for further proving that you could NOT dispute the FACT
that $390 a month for THREE TEENS doesn't leave money for " luxuries ".
==
So, you are claiming that all NCPs are entitled to at least 390. per
month?
==

He certainly does rant, doesn't he? I think the scariest part is his
wanting to see as many women treated wrongly by the system as there are
men
wrongly treated by the system. Do you think he reads posts with an open
mond, or just reads them to find things to argue about?

Personally, I think Andre reads posts with an open mind....