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Expecially the comparisons. The don't mask the problem by showing meth
isn't as prevalent as other drugs. What it shows is that Meth is most definately in the running. Those percentages are real people, lots of them. NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM 2. Just over 5% of those aged 12 and over in the US have ever tried methamphetamine, and that approximately 0.3% of the population has used methamphetamine in the past month. In comparison, 40.6% were reported to have tried marijuana in their lifetimes and 6.2% of the population were estimated to have tried marijuana in the past month; 14.7% of the population were reported to have ever tried cocaine and 1.0% were past month users; 1.6% of the US population have ever tried heroin and 0.1% were estimated to be past month users; and 4.3% of the US population have ever tried Ecstasy (MDMA) while 0.2% were estimated to be past month users. NO EPIDEMIC 3. "The number of new users of stimulants generally increased during the 1990s, but there has been little change since 2000. Incidence of methamphetamine use generally rose between 1992 and 1998. Since then, there have been no statistically significant changes." |
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Greegor wrote: Expecially the comparisons. The don't mask the problem by showing meth isn't as prevalent as other drugs. What it shows is that Meth is most definately in the running. Those percentages are real people, lots of them. NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM Something not being the biggest problem doesn't remove it's status as A problem. Leave this one alone and it would run up soon enough. In fact, about the only thing stoping this one from doing it is the preparation and decisions of the drug lords in a few countries outside this one. I'm watching SEA. They are now the principle producers of ICE. SEA is the principle user base as well. But they have already targetted other markets and doing quite well. Australia is caving under the weight of LE, related crime, and medical issues connected to a flood of ICE coming into the country. It's rumored they are talking about hitting the big market, North America. And in fact, the Americas. If they do, the structure for distribution is already in place. A collaboration between them and the Canadian (yes, there IS a Canadian based drug cartel, little boy) and Central and South American drug people will be very very bad. They KNOW how to open markets. Look at their long long history. It goes clear back to prohibition. 2. Just over 5% of those aged 12 and over in the US have ever tried methamphetamine, and that approximately 0.3% of the population has used methamphetamine in the past month. In comparison, 40.6% were reported to have tried marijuana in their lifetimes and 6.2% of the population were estimated to have tried marijuana in the past month; 14.7% of the population were reported to have ever tried cocaine and 1.0% were past month users; 1.6% of the US population have ever tried heroin and 0.1% were estimated to be past month users; and 4.3% of the US population have ever tried Ecstasy (MDMA) while 0.2% were estimated to be past month users. NO EPIDEMIC Sure there is. You just don't know the definition of "epidemic" and forget that I gave Doug a language lesson right out of the dictionary. I may have mentioned the CDC description as well. Trust me, any disease that had a "5% of those aged 12 and over, " occurance would be called an epidemic long before that 5% was reached. And considering it's movement across the country, poping here and then there then over there, it's an epidemic of major proportions. "Definition of Epidemic Epidemic: The occurrence of more cases of a disease than would be expected in a community or region during a given time period. A sudden severe outbreak of a disease such as SARS. From the Greek "epi-", "upon" + "demos", "people or population" = "epidemos" = "upon the population." See also: Endemic; Pandemic." Would you like to argue that this was an expected occurance so it all hunky dory? Up until recently communities were not preparing for it, and damned if they didn't have an unexpected occurance. Epidemic by definition. Need mo ep·i·dem·ic Pronunciation (p-dmk) also ep·i·dem·i·cal (--kl) adj. 1. Spreading rapidly and extensively by infection and affecting many individuals in an area or a population at the same time: an epidemic outbreak of influenza. 2. Widely prevalent: epidemic discontent. n. 1. An outbreak of a contagious disease that spreads rapidly and widely. 2. A rapid spread, growth, or development: an unemployment epidemic. It qualifies as both an adjective, and as a noun. Want to argue some more? 3. "The number of new users of stimul ants generally increased during the 1990s, but there has been little change since 2000. Incidence of methamphetamine use generally rose between 1992 and 1998. Since then, there have been no statistically significant changes." Notice the above? I commented on it, but strangely it's gone from this post of yours. You just didn't want to get anywhere near the argument I made, now did you, boy? If you have a disease that has reached this level, and it's now unchanged, which includes not going DOWN. And when you fix it here, it breaks out over there, maintaining the same total of cases, you have a serious epidemic on your hands. That is simply what is happening. The trick is to get everyone on board at the same time, and places where it hasn't struck yet taking prophylactic measures. Like watching for signs of it. Have your infrastructure prepared and informed. Enough jail space and enough treatment beds lined up for the future. Proper testing equipment. Hazmat suits for cookers labs. Most of these things have dual and multi use capabilities so it's not a waste of resources. It's just being prepared So far I haven't invested in any companies that might be involved. Should I? I just can't wait for the jolly fellows out of South East Asia to connect with our north and south neighbors. Did you know there are major cookers in Canada, Greg, or does learning about this defeat your need to minimize it? Remember, because it's not the largest problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem of sufficient proportions to be given attention. Your "case" for instance, is a **** in the ocean of the judicial system. Do you think you should be minimized by the court and its officers? 0:-] |
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Kane mistakenly attributed the below text to Greegor:
Expecially the comparisons. The don't mask the problem by showing meth isn't as prevalent as other drugs. What it shows is that Meth is most definately in the running. Kane wrote Leave this one alone and it would run up soon enough. Or you could just be PARANOID and exaggerating the problem. Here you exhibit a form of "wishful thinking" from the perspective of BENEFICIARIES seeking FUNDING. (Like NACO) |
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Greegor wrote: Kane mistakenly attributed the below text to Greegor: Expecially the comparisons. The don't mask the problem by showing meth isn't as prevalent as other drugs. What it shows is that Meth is most definately in the running. Kane wrote Leave this one alone and it would run up soon enough. Or you could just be PARANOID and exaggerating the problem. Here you exhibit a form of "wishful thinking" from the perspective of BENEFICIARIES seeking FUNDING. (Like NACO) Paranoid? Nope. Mexican authorities, just a few days ago, on a citizen's tip, intercepted a shipment, tons of pseudophedrine (the key ingredient in methamphetamine) so large it could have made a dose of meth for every adult in the U.S. It was bound, of course, for the Mexican superlabs that are now driving the mom and pop home cooker meth labs pretty much into the background. You don't bother to stay up to date on much, Greg, but you seem to have mountains of opinions. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t...coll%3D7&cid=0 Mexico halts meth chemical at port 19.5 metric tons - Thursday, December 14, 2006 STEVE SUO Mexican officials inspecting a cargo container shipped from China have uncovered a 19.5-ton cache of pseudoephedrine, enough to make a dose of methamphetamine for every adult American. Hundreds of barrels containing the essential meth ingredient were seized Dec. 5 at the Lazaro Cardenas seaport in Michoacan after a citizen tip, according to Mexico's attorney general. It was the largest seizure of pseudoephedrine or ephedrine in Mexican history and one of the biggest on record worldwide. The 19.5 metric tons amount to 8 percent of the 233 metric tons of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine that China manufactured in 2005, according to Chinese government statistics compiled by Guangzhou CCM Chemical Co. Ltd. ... And then there's the Canadian connection I mentioned. http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/suo1208062.html Canadian drug traffickers expanding into meth BY STEVE SUO c.2006 Newhouse News Service Alex Hanson says the lab at this British Columbia farmhouse consumed 220 pounds of ephedrine and put out 140 pounds of meth every two weeks. (Photo by Fredrick D. Joe) Canadian drug traffickers expanding into meth HATZIC PRAIRIE, British Columbia -- Alex Hanson stood outside an abandoned farmhouse one evening in June, preparing to enter what he describes as the superlab that ended his drug career. Three months before, Hanson said, he was here working with a group that converted 110-pound barrels of ephedrine from India and China into methamphetamine. Hanson walked away and went on Canadian television to describe the operation. The crew fled. What remained were the crystals, caked to doors and crunching underfoot. Hanson stopped to scrape up a pile of remnants with a hunting knife. "Can you smell, in the air, that sick, sweet aroma?" said Hanson. "That's how you smell production. That's the smell of money." While crime organizations in Asia have begun to operate meth megalabs using bulk ephedrine from India and China, Canadian criminals of Indian and Chinese ancestry are now tapping some of these same sources of chemicals to mass-produce meth in Canada. The development is of concern to the United States, where Canadian drug traffickers have a strong presence. Asian organizations in Canada already have displaced Europe as the main U.S. supplier of the club drug Ecstasy, according to U.S. officials. Now, those traffickers are moving into production of crystal meth. Authorities in British Columbia last year seized four working labs that met the U.S. definition of a superlab, said Staff Sgt. Mike Harding of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Harding estimated there also were six chemical dump sites with enough meth waste to have come from superlabs. ... More on this story makes plain that meth isn't a "little" drug used by housewivest to lose weight anymore. But oddly, long after that phase ended, guess who the latest demographic of victims is topped by? Yep, for some reason housewives are getting into meth like they got into diet pills way back when. We are in trouble with this drug. My fear is that the SE Asians, Mexicans, and the Canadians producing and distributing are working on hooking up. That could be paranoia on my part 0:-, but then, even if they don't make meth cheaper and easier to get by cooperating with each other, their two or three "businesses" will compete the price down. Cheaper illegal drugs in greater supply always result in an increase in use, and of course, more deadly OD's. I can see how mean and vicious you are, and always have been Greg, but this seems to push the envelope just a tad, don't you think? Or don't you think? Were these stories just hype to get more money? Kane |
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Which newsgroup are you posting this to and WHY?
alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.support.foster-parents Please take your lobbying for agency FUNDING to a thread more appropriate for bureaucratic sucking off for FUNDS. 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Kane mistakenly attributed the below text to Greegor: Expecially the comparisons. The don't mask the problem by showing meth isn't as prevalent as other drugs. What it shows is that Meth is most definately in the running. Kane wrote Leave this one alone and it would run up soon enough. Or you could just be PARANOID and exaggerating the problem. Here you exhibit a form of "wishful thinking" from the perspective of BENEFICIARIES seeking FUNDING. (Like NACO) Paranoid? Nope. Mexican authorities, just a few days ago, on a citizen's tip, intercepted a shipment, tons of pseudophedrine (the key ingredient in methamphetamine) so large it could have made a dose of meth for every adult in the U.S. It was bound, of course, for the Mexican superlabs that are now driving the mom and pop home cooker meth labs pretty much into the background. You don't bother to stay up to date on much, Greg, but you seem to have mountains of opinions. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t...coll%3D7&cid=0 Mexico halts meth chemical at port 19.5 metric tons - Thursday, December 14, 2006 STEVE SUO Mexican officials inspecting a cargo container shipped from China have uncovered a 19.5-ton cache of pseudoephedrine, enough to make a dose of methamphetamine for every adult American. Hundreds of barrels containing the essential meth ingredient were seized Dec. 5 at the Lazaro Cardenas seaport in Michoacan after a citizen tip, according to Mexico's attorney general. It was the largest seizure of pseudoephedrine or ephedrine in Mexican history and one of the biggest on record worldwide. The 19.5 metric tons amount to 8 percent of the 233 metric tons of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine that China manufactured in 2005, according to Chinese government statistics compiled by Guangzhou CCM Chemical Co. Ltd. ... And then there's the Canadian connection I mentioned. http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/suo1208062.html Canadian drug traffickers expanding into meth BY STEVE SUO c.2006 Newhouse News Service Alex Hanson says the lab at this British Columbia farmhouse consumed 220 pounds of ephedrine and put out 140 pounds of meth every two weeks. (Photo by Fredrick D. Joe) Canadian drug traffickers expanding into meth HATZIC PRAIRIE, British Columbia -- Alex Hanson stood outside an abandoned farmhouse one evening in June, preparing to enter what he describes as the superlab that ended his drug career. Three months before, Hanson said, he was here working with a group that converted 110-pound barrels of ephedrine from India and China into methamphetamine. Hanson walked away and went on Canadian television to describe the operation. The crew fled. What remained were the crystals, caked to doors and crunching underfoot. Hanson stopped to scrape up a pile of remnants with a hunting knife. "Can you smell, in the air, that sick, sweet aroma?" said Hanson. "That's how you smell production. That's the smell of money." While crime organizations in Asia have begun to operate meth megalabs using bulk ephedrine from India and China, Canadian criminals of Indian and Chinese ancestry are now tapping some of these same sources of chemicals to mass-produce meth in Canada. The development is of concern to the United States, where Canadian drug traffickers have a strong presence. Asian organizations in Canada already have displaced Europe as the main U.S. supplier of the club drug Ecstasy, according to U.S. officials. Now, those traffickers are moving into production of crystal meth. Authorities in British Columbia last year seized four working labs that met the U.S. definition of a superlab, said Staff Sgt. Mike Harding of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Harding estimated there also were six chemical dump sites with enough meth waste to have come from superlabs. ... More on this story makes plain that meth isn't a "little" drug used by housewivest to lose weight anymore. But oddly, long after that phase ended, guess who the latest demographic of victims is topped by? Yep, for some reason housewives are getting into meth like they got into diet pills way back when. We are in trouble with this drug. My fear is that the SE Asians, Mexicans, and the Canadians producing and distributing are working on hooking up. That could be paranoia on my part 0:-, but then, even if they don't make meth cheaper and easier to get by cooperating with each other, their two or three "businesses" will compete the price down. Cheaper illegal drugs in greater supply always result in an increase in use, and of course, more deadly OD's. I can see how mean and vicious you are, and always have been Greg, but this seems to push the envelope just a tad, don't you think? Or don't you think? Were these stories just hype to get more money? Kane |
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Greegor wrote: Which newsgroup are you posting this to and WHY? All three are parent and child, foster and adopt, CPS issues newsgroups. alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.support.foster-parents Please take your lobbying for agency FUNDING to a thread more appropriate for bureaucratic sucking off for FUNDS. What agency are we discussing here? You seem very sensitive about this issue. Why is that Greg? Without funding there would't be money to pay off lawsuits. Now would there? And children are involved in the meth epidemic, Greg. Currenty meth is the number problem drug for families involved with CPS. Kane 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Kane mistakenly attributed the below text to Greegor: Expecially the comparisons. The don't mask the problem by showing meth isn't as prevalent as other drugs. What it shows is that Meth is most definately in the running. Kane wrote Leave this one alone and it would run up soon enough. Or you could just be PARANOID and exaggerating the problem. Here you exhibit a form of "wishful thinking" from the perspective of BENEFICIARIES seeking FUNDING. (Like NACO) Paranoid? Nope. Mexican authorities, just a few days ago, on a citizen's tip, intercepted a shipment, tons of pseudophedrine (the key ingredient in methamphetamine) so large it could have made a dose of meth for every adult in the U.S. It was bound, of course, for the Mexican superlabs that are now driving the mom and pop home cooker meth labs pretty much into the background. You don't bother to stay up to date on much, Greg, but you seem to have mountains of opinions. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t...coll%3D7&cid=0 Mexico halts meth chemical at port 19.5 metric tons - Thursday, December 14, 2006 STEVE SUO Mexican officials inspecting a cargo container shipped from China have uncovered a 19.5-ton cache of pseudoephedrine, enough to make a dose of methamphetamine for every adult American. Hundreds of barrels containing the essential meth ingredient were seized Dec. 5 at the Lazaro Cardenas seaport in Michoacan after a citizen tip, according to Mexico's attorney general. It was the largest seizure of pseudoephedrine or ephedrine in Mexican history and one of the biggest on record worldwide. The 19.5 metric tons amount to 8 percent of the 233 metric tons of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine that China manufactured in 2005, according to Chinese government statistics compiled by Guangzhou CCM Chemical Co. Ltd. ... And then there's the Canadian connection I mentioned. http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/suo1208062.html Canadian drug traffickers expanding into meth BY STEVE SUO c.2006 Newhouse News Service Alex Hanson says the lab at this British Columbia farmhouse consumed 220 pounds of ephedrine and put out 140 pounds of meth every two weeks. (Photo by Fredrick D. Joe) Canadian drug traffickers expanding into meth HATZIC PRAIRIE, British Columbia -- Alex Hanson stood outside an abandoned farmhouse one evening in June, preparing to enter what he describes as the superlab that ended his drug career. Three months before, Hanson said, he was here working with a group that converted 110-pound barrels of ephedrine from India and China into methamphetamine. Hanson walked away and went on Canadian television to describe the operation. The crew fled. What remained were the crystals, caked to doors and crunching underfoot. Hanson stopped to scrape up a pile of remnants with a hunting knife. "Can you smell, in the air, that sick, sweet aroma?" said Hanson. "That's how you smell production. That's the smell of money." While crime organizations in Asia have begun to operate meth megalabs using bulk ephedrine from India and China, Canadian criminals of Indian and Chinese ancestry are now tapping some of these same sources of chemicals to mass-produce meth in Canada. The development is of concern to the United States, where Canadian drug traffickers have a strong presence. Asian organizations in Canada already have displaced Europe as the main U.S. supplier of the club drug Ecstasy, according to U.S. officials. Now, those traffickers are moving into production of crystal meth. Authorities in British Columbia last year seized four working labs that met the U.S. definition of a superlab, said Staff Sgt. Mike Harding of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Harding estimated there also were six chemical dump sites with enough meth waste to have come from superlabs. ... More on this story makes plain that meth isn't a "little" drug used by housewivest to lose weight anymore. But oddly, long after that phase ended, guess who the latest demographic of victims is topped by? Yep, for some reason housewives are getting into meth like they got into diet pills way back when. We are in trouble with this drug. My fear is that the SE Asians, Mexicans, and the Canadians producing and distributing are working on hooking up. That could be paranoia on my part 0:-, but then, even if they don't make meth cheaper and easier to get by cooperating with each other, their two or three "businesses" will compete the price down. Cheaper illegal drugs in greater supply always result in an increase in use, and of course, more deadly OD's. I can see how mean and vicious you are, and always have been Greg, but this seems to push the envelope just a tad, don't you think? Or don't you think? Were these stories just hype to get more money? Kane |
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0:- wrote:
Perhaps a group on CPS funding? This is a support group for folks involved with CPS. Your pet looney rants are off topic Don. |
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http://ipath.gu.org/documents/A0/Met...inal_cover.pdf
.... More than 12 million Americans age 12 and over have tried meth at least once in their lifetimes.10 The annual number of new meth users has increased by 72% over the last decade and currently exceeds the number of new crack users. 11 In addition, the number of meth users who meet the criteria for substance abuse doubled between 2002 and 2004 - from 27% to 59%. Of those who reported drug use in the past month, 583,000 used meth. It should be noted that despite the serious and significant increase in meth use and abuse, alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine abuse are still the most prevalent forms of substance abuse by a significant margin.12 Despite its growing national prevalence, meth is still most pervasive in the Midwest and the West. Although commonly associated with rural areas,13 meth use has also spread to large urban areas in recent years, including Honolulu, Sacramento, San Diego, and Phoenix.14 Meth has also hit certain racial and ethnic communities particularly hard. It is estimated that American Indian/Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders use meth at two to three times the rate of Caucasians, although whites still represent the greatest number of users. African-Americans use meth at the lowest rate.15 ... And this is the reason I advocate for attention to this plague, and a broad attack across the entire front edge of it. Your lies about seeking funding for CPS is just that. .... To tell you the truth, if I didn't get help when I did, I would be dead. I've been sober one and a half years, and I've never felt better. I love myself again, and the happiness that I see in my son's eyes is the most amazing feeling I could ever have. That feeling has taken meth's place. - MOTHER IN RECOVERY FROM METH ADDICTION ... Yer just a pimple on the ass of a knat, boy. Kane |
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