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Debate v Propaganda
Hello,
When challenged to discuss a questionable claim she has posted to these newsgroups Fern will, rather than engage honestly, rattle off an ad hom or two, and immediately post a flurry of even more questionable propaganda. Her responses consist of sound bites rather than reasonable, thoughtful attempts to rebutt others challenges to the claims. Her posts endings are replete anti CPS and often anti government materials, referances to websites of the same nature, and claims she cannot and does not support with facts. In ascps, we are culled down now to two propagandists, a bigot of fundamentalist mindset, and an out of work freeloader. I'd say we've humored them long enough, and that some real business can be done here now without engaging them at all, other than to occasionally laugh in appreciation of the comic relief they offer. They actually believe there are still people that will fall for their nonsense, and I suppose there will always be a few, but then, that's who they are themselves, people that fall for each other's nonsense. From a 2004 informational report of the NASW, NASWChildWelfareRpt062004.pdf "'As the United States enters the 21st century, the depth and breadth of society's most insidious ills continue to affect children profoundly. Racism, poverty, violence, and abuse of alcohol and other drugs impinge on the life of every child in the United States. Children are influenced by the society in which they are born and raised; they, in turn, influence society.' David Liederman, 1997" In sharing child welfare social worker opinions from a nine issue survey, they offered the following: "They [workers] described how public perception impedes their ability to establish trusting relationships with families; how time spent on paperwork takes time away from direct interventions with families; and how long work hours and the general lack of available resources for clients are points of frustration." The public perception of CPS is misconstrued by those that themselves are or have been clients of CPS or by those that are currently finding a second career for themselves as paid, or ego fulfilling, propagandists. Clusters of needy, misinformed, misathropic anti this and anti that types flock to them, along with the few families that DO have legitimate complaints against CPS. These families in real need are in turn fed off of by the former group of dedicated propagandists and hangers on. Rather then being helped they are too often led astray wasting their energy on CPS "reform" outlandish schemes instead of focusing on their own pressing need to deal with CPS, their own child(ren) and the own family. Doug, Fern, Greg, bobb, you aren't fooling anyone. Common propaganda ploys of the Anti CPS phony reformer crowd. (Not in any particular order) - claiming that children in foster care suffer more mental illness, or other negative conditions, leaving the less knowledgeable to assume foster care itself caused the condition the child actually came into care burdened and crippled with by prior care-givers...usually parents. - claiming that CPS is an "industry" when in fact researchers have pointed out for decades that it is chronically underfunded to perform its mandated tasks. - referring to sorely needed services for children injured and disabled by their own parents as being delivered by "jacklegs" in it just for the money flies in the face of authoritative research that shows such services are in fact in terrible short supply for lack of funding. - focusing solely on failures in various areas of the agency, such as fiscal responsibility, foster parent malfeasance, and similar concerns when these are traceable mostly to individual person's criminal or unprofessional behavior, for which they are punished, and are rare occurrences. - claiming CPS actively seeks out cases of abuse, when the truth is all CPS investigations begin as reports from the public and mandated professionals, and even families themselves. The only "outreach" from CPS, and others for that matter, are pleas to report abuse and information on how to do it properly and responsibly. - stating that workers waste their time and tax payer money driving around in state cars looking for occurrences of abuse by stopping innocent families they encounter and harassing them. - claiming that CPS deliberately investigates families they know beforehand are innocent, and using post investigation failure to found a case as reason to support the above nonsense...a non sequitur . - the previous bit of chicanery is further exploited by claiming that because CPS doesn't have proof beforehand sufficient to found or substantiate they are therefore remiss in even opening an investigation...and even more disreputable use of non sequitur. - promoting false assumptions based on partial or out of context information, such as claims of comparisons of malfeasance by one group being greater than that of another group when the groups are highly dissimilar, as in a foster family group is dissimilar from the general population of families in there relative availability for monitoring by the state. - claims that CPS regularly engages in illegal behaviors to force parents to comply with mandated services. - attempts to hide real abuse and neglect behind euphemism. - conniving arguments that the U. S. Constitution protects abusive families thereby insinuating no equal rights for children exist, or ignoring counter-arguments that children do have rights that government should and must protect. - and that government is deliberately malevolent toward children and deliberately destructive of families. They walk away from successful rebuttals and return to their "argument by volume" and insinuation. And later simply repeat the same lie they were clearly defeated in espousing earlier. What they don't respond to is often as telling as how they boldly lie by commission of untruth or spinning partial truth. Kane |
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"Kane" wrote in message om... Hello, When challenged to discuss a questionable claim she has posted to these newsgroups Fern will, rather than engage honestly, rattle off an ad hom or two, and immediately post a flurry of even more questionable propaganda. Her responses consist of sound bites rather than reasonable, thoughtful attempts to rebutt others challenges to the claims. Her posts endings are replete anti CPS and often anti government materials, referances to websites of the same nature, and claims she cannot and does not support with facts. In ascps, we are culled down now to two propagandists, a bigot of fundamentalist mindset, and an out of work freeloader. I'd say we've humored them long enough, and that some real business can be done here now without engaging them at all, other than to occasionally laugh in appreciation of the comic relief they offer. snipped It topped off my tolerance level when it's outright bias and bigotry went off the scale of decency and commonly acceptable limits. Engaging in any type of battle of the wits with an unarmed person is futile. It is without remedy and should be held in disregard. I have refused to involve myself directly any further with that type of lifeform. I review this newsgroup because I care. Because I believe in the Rights of Children. I believe that CPS does need reform and help, along with the rest of the related corners in "the system" of child protection, including Judicial Reform. I believe in the great '60's maxim: "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." This ol' putz, if it ever had any real value to other human beings, let alone for children, has turned into a toxic influence of such minor import that it does not deserve any further attention. Responding, other than to correct erroneous information which may harm an unaware poster, does not benefit the serious folks who CARE about children. After all, it IS about the children. Sherman. Sherman. |
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