Info please: unusually early ovulation?

Hi everyone,
I just wondered if anyone has had a similar experience to mine. We've
been ttc #2 since af finally came back in February (DS was 13 months
old). We've only tried during four out of six months, since DH was
travelling with work the others. I've had what I hear are pretty
standard prolactin-high-nursing-a-toddler cycles: O'ing between cd
19-22, lp of 8-12 days, with temps that just creep up over the cover
line, top out around 98.3 (cl average is 97.3), and then head
gradually south again in time for af. Also, never any EWCM. So, I was
getting impatient with this and, based on quite a bit of research,
decided last month to start taking a B-complex supplement (the lowest
available, at 50 mg), since I understand B-6 can be useful in
balancing cycles, and the B vitamins apparently work best in concert.
I also started taking EPO in the pre-O phase, to help out CM
production. I've heard it can sometimes diminish milk production, but
since DS nurses infrequently, is a hearty eater and can drink with a
cup now, I wasn't worried.

ANYway (sorry, I'm starting to ramble), last month we couldn't BD b/c
DH was away, but the cycle was perfect - O'd on day 15, temps shot up
by a whole degree (97.1-98.1) and stayed high, and lp was 13 days.
Still no EWCM, the EPO doesn't seem to be working on me, but I was
feeling good about the B-6. This month, according to my chart
estimates, I was due to O around cd 16. On cd 10 and 11 I noticed a
*tiny* bit of EWCM, and it only stretched about 1/2 an inch. I
figured, maybe the EPO is working, and I'll get lots of EWCM over the
next couple of days. I also felt a weird left-side pain on cd 11 which
I suspected as O pain (never noticed it before), but dismissed as too
early. Day 12, temp was slightly above the cover line, and CM was
drying up. Day 13, temp was one notch below day 12, but still above
cover line. Today, day 14, temp is way up and CM is creamy, but not as
abundant, and not at all stretchy.

Obviously, I O'd on day 11, right? Has anyone else had this kind of
shift from late-ish to early-ish ovulation? Is it the B-6 (I assume
so)? Will this mean a short cycle, or just an extra long lp? Worst
part is, we BD'd a couple times before cd 11, but didn't really start
trying till cd 12, and now it looks like we should have been trying
way earlier

Oh, well.
Mostly I'm just curious about others' experiences with vitamin
supplements and earlier ovulation, and whether you've been successful
in these circumstances!

TIA,
Melania
Mom to Joffre (Jan 11, 2003)
TTC#2

Still no EWCM, the EPO doesn't seem to be working on me, but I was
feeling good about the B-6.

How much of both of these are you taking? I noticed a HUGE difference in my
CM the month I did take EPO. I took both all cycle long too.

Oh, well.
Mostly I'm just curious about others' experiences with vitamin
supplements and earlier ovulation, and whether you've been successful
in these circumstances!

TIA,
Melania
Mom to Joffre (Jan 11, 2003)
TTC#2

I took Vitex, B6, Wild Yam, and EPO to get pregnant with babies #3 and #4.
It took 2 months to get pregnant with each. I wasn't ovulating and had a
luteal phase that was too short - till I took all those pills. It never
changed when I ovulated though - day 21-23.

Sophie -
mom of 4

"Melania" wrote in message
om...

ANYway (sorry, I'm starting to ramble), last month we couldn't BD b/c
DH was away, but the cycle was perfect - O'd on day 15, temps shot up
by a whole degree (97.1-98.1) and stayed high, and lp was 13 days.
Still no EWCM, the EPO doesn't seem to be working on me, but I was
feeling good about the B-6.

I've not noticed EPO doing much for CM--it's great health-wise, but doesn't
seem to affect me that much. What DID help, almost instantly, was pink
grapefruit juice. Literally increased EWCM within hours.


This month, according to my chart
estimates, I was due to O around cd 16. On cd 10 and 11 I noticed a
*tiny* bit of EWCM, and it only stretched about 1/2 an inch. I
figured, maybe the EPO is working, and I'll get lots of EWCM over the
next couple of days. I also felt a weird left-side pain on cd 11 which
I suspected as O pain (never noticed it before), but dismissed as too
early. Day 12, temp was slightly above the cover line, and CM was
drying up. Day 13, temp was one notch below day 12, but still above
cover line. Today, day 14, temp is way up and CM is creamy, but not as
abundant, and not at all stretchy.

Obviously, I O'd on day 11, right? Has anyone else had this kind of
shift from late-ish to early-ish ovulation? Is it the B-6 (I assume
so)? Will this mean a short cycle, or just an extra long lp?

It should mean a shorter cycle, but LP is affected by other variables. If
you ovulated early and 'strong' your LP should get a little longer if you've
got a nice CL in there. 8-12 days is on the shorter side for a LP--I'd be
shooting for 12-14 days. I found Vitex really helped stabilize my temps and
hormone production.

Worst
part is, we BD'd a couple times before cd 11, but didn't really start
trying till cd 12, and now it looks like we should have been trying
way earlier


I got pg this cycle having bd'd exactly twice in the week preceding O.
Happened to coincide pretty close to O, but we weren't "trying hard" and it
still worked.

Oh, well.
Mostly I'm just curious about others' experiences with vitamin
supplements and earlier ovulation, and whether you've been successful
in these circumstances!

I actually wanted a slightly *longer* pre-O phase because my periods are so
darned heavy that I want sometime to recover! I started out at a 10-12 day
pre-O phase, and lengthened to more like 14-16 days when I started
supplementing rigorously. Vitex is a good "normalizer".

My feeling is that if you see *any* ewcm, you should jump your hubby. Even
if it's only a little bit...

Jenrose

Sophie wrote:

I took Vitex, B6, Wild Yam, and EPO to get pregnant with babies #3 and #4.
It took 2 months to get pregnant with each. I wasn't ovulating and had a
luteal phase that was too short - till I took all those pills. It never
changed when I ovulated though - day 21-23.

A short luteal phase is usually a sign of low progesterone, which can
mean a thin uterine lining which would make it difficult or impossible
for implantation to occur.

On 26 Jul 2004 14:25:36 -0700, (Melania) wrote:

Hi everyone,
I just wondered if anyone has had a similar experience to mine.
snip experience

Obviously, I O'd on day 11, right? Has anyone else had this kind of
shift from late-ish to early-ish ovulation? Is it the B-6 (I assume
so)? Will this mean a short cycle, or just an extra long lp? Worst
part is, we BD'd a couple times before cd 11, but didn't really start
trying till cd 12, and now it looks like we should have been trying
way earlier

Oh, well.
Mostly I'm just curious about others' experiences with vitamin
supplements and earlier ovulation, and whether you've been successful
in these circumstances!

Um, yes. That's how #4 showed up. I was not ovulating before day 15
and I was taking EPO for PMS symptoms (we were trying to avoid
pregnancy), we BD'd on day 7 with very little sticky (not EW or even
stretchy) CM that wasn't particularly fertile and I ovulated day 10 -
by day 21 I had a positive pregnancy test. There was an article in my
Sunday paper the weekend after my positive test that said having sex
can actually trigger ovulation in some women and that appears to be
the case for me in this instance.

I hope it works out for you since you are TTC at the moment!

--
Cheryl
Mum to Shrimp (11 Mar 99), Thud (4 Oct 00)
Mischief (30 Jul 02)
+ someone new due Feb 05

Shena Delian O'Brien wrote in message ...
Sophie wrote:

I took Vitex, B6, Wild Yam, and EPO to get pregnant with babies #3 and #4.
It took 2 months to get pregnant with each. I wasn't ovulating and had a
luteal phase that was too short - till I took all those pills. It never
changed when I ovulated though - day 21-23.

A short luteal phase is usually a sign of low progesterone, which can
mean a thin uterine lining which would make it difficult or impossible
for implantation to occur.

In response to the first bit from Sophie: I daily took 50 mgs of B-6
(the lowest available dose at the drugstore) and 2000 mgs of EPO (4
500 mg capsules), since I read that between 2000 and 3000 mgs were
required to see a difference - not that it did. It seemed like a lot
to take, and since it didn't work in two cycles, I don't think I'll
resume taking it. I am usually not a fan of vitamin supplements,
although of course I take folic acid and I took a prenatal during my
first pregnancy.

In response to Shena's message: do you know if a thin uterine lining
is apparent in the af that follows the short luteal phase? As in,
colour, quantity, consistency, any of those? It seems like it would
be. My af has been very normal, and no spotting at the end of the
luteal phase, before af.

Well, it's not like we've been trying for ages, and we got pg with DS
in the fourth month of trying (only BD'd once that month, and not at
what I thought was the right time, so just goes to show!), so I'm not
worried . . . just really looking forward to the next little one in
our lives!

Thanks for your answers,
Melania
Mom to Joffre (Jan 11, 2003)
TTC#2

Oops! in my last post it looks like I'm giving up on b-6 and EPO. I'm
only giving up on EPO - I think the b-6 is working!


Shena Delian O'Brien wrote in message ...
Sophie wrote:

I took Vitex, B6, Wild Yam, and EPO to get pregnant with babies #3 and #4.
It took 2 months to get pregnant with each. I wasn't ovulating and had a
luteal phase that was too short - till I took all those pills. It never
changed when I ovulated though - day 21-23.

A short luteal phase is usually a sign of low progesterone, which can
mean a thin uterine lining which would make it difficult or impossible
for implantation to occur.

snip

I've not noticed EPO doing much for CM--it's great health-wise, but doesn't
seem to affect me that much. What DID help, almost instantly, was pink
grapefruit juice. Literally increased EWCM within hours.

Oh, that's good to hear! I love pink grapefruit juice (and I don't
love choking back fistsfull of pills), so I will be happy to try that
next month.


It should mean a shorter cycle, but LP is affected by other variables. If
you ovulated early and 'strong' your LP should get a little longer if you've
got a nice CL in there. 8-12 days is on the shorter side for a LP--I'd be
shooting for 12-14 days. I found Vitex really helped stabilize my temps and
hormone production.

I don't know about Vitex in Canada - where would you get it? Is it
expensive? I only had one 8 day lp - one was 9 and the rest were 11 or
12, and they seem to be getting longer on the b-6.
snip

I actually wanted a slightly *longer* pre-O phase because my periods are so
darned heavy that I want sometime to recover! I started out at a 10-12 day
pre-O phase, and lengthened to more like 14-16 days when I started
supplementing rigorously. Vitex is a good "normalizer".

Actually, I know what you mean! I normally really like having a week
or longer to recouperate (sp?),

My feeling is that if you see *any* ewcm, you should jump your hubby. Even
if it's only a little bit...

Jenrose

That's good advice!

Thanks so much,
Melania
Mom to Joffre (Jan 11, 2003)
TTC#2

"Melania" wrote in message
om...
Shena Delian O'Brien wrote in message
...
Sophie wrote:

I took Vitex, B6, Wild Yam, and EPO to get pregnant with babies #3 and
#4.
It took 2 months to get pregnant with each. I wasn't ovulating and
had a
luteal phase that was too short - till I took all those pills. It
never
changed when I ovulated though - day 21-23.

A short luteal phase is usually a sign of low progesterone, which can
mean a thin uterine lining which would make it difficult or impossible
for implantation to occur.

In response to the first bit from Sophie: I daily took 50 mgs of B-6
(the lowest available dose at the drugstore) and 2000 mgs of EPO (4
500 mg capsules), since I read that between 2000 and 3000 mgs were
required to see a difference - not that it did. It seemed like a lot
to take, and since it didn't work in two cycles, I don't think I'll
resume taking it. I am usually not a fan of vitamin supplements,
although of course I take folic acid and I took a prenatal during my
first pregnancy.

In response to Shena's message: do you know if a thin uterine lining
is apparent in the af that follows the short luteal phase? As in,
colour, quantity, consistency, any of those? It seems like it would
be. My af has been very normal, and no spotting at the end of the
luteal phase, before af.

Yes, the amount and flow of your period would be directly related to the
thickness of your uterine lining. Having done multiple manitored fertility
cycles within the past 6 years, I can tell you that it is the case. One of
my recurring issues was thin lining, and we could see exactly how thin it
was via u/s. At it's worst, it was about 3mm. To sustain a pregnancy they
like to see 10mm, but 5mm will do. Sometimes it can get as high as 15 or
20mm, but then it can get TOO thick and then be bad. Anyway, during the
cycles that my lining was 3-5mm, my period would be 1-2 days of spotting
with a full day of flow. During normal cycles, my period is usually 4-5
days long, with 3 or 4 of those being flow.

So, if your cycle was average in length and flow, then your lining was
likely adequate.
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"Melania" wrote in message
om...
snip

I've not noticed EPO doing much for CM--it's great health-wise, but
doesn't
seem to affect me that much. What DID help, almost instantly, was pink
grapefruit juice. Literally increased EWCM within hours.

Oh, that's good to hear! I love pink grapefruit juice (and I don't
love choking back fistsfull of pills), so I will be happy to try that
next month.


It should mean a shorter cycle, but LP is affected by other variables.
If
you ovulated early and 'strong' your LP should get a little longer if
you've
got a nice CL in there. 8-12 days is on the shorter side for a LP--I'd
be
shooting for 12-14 days. I found Vitex really helped stabilize my temps
and
hormone production.

I don't know about Vitex in Canada - where would you get it? Is it
expensive? I only had one 8 day lp - one was 9 and the rest were 11 or
12, and they seem to be getting longer on the b-6.
snip

I actually wanted a slightly *longer* pre-O phase because my periods are
so
darned heavy that I want sometime to recover! I started out at a 10-12
day
pre-O phase, and lengthened to more like 14-16 days when I started
supplementing rigorously. Vitex is a good "normalizer".

Actually, I know what you mean! I normally really like having a week
or longer to recouperate (sp?),

My feeling is that if you see *any* ewcm, you should jump your hubby.
Even
if it's only a little bit...

Jenrose

That's good advice!

Thanks so much,
Melania
Mom to Joffre (Jan 11, 2003)
TTC#2

I'd agree with this. I'd also point out that although there are times when
the ewcm is clearly abundant, I've had plenty of cycles where I didn't think
I was having any, or not much, and I'd go in for an appointment and vaginal
u/s to check the follicles, and the doctors would comment on my copious
amounts of ewcm. It was just all up at the cervix, where it's supposed to
be. So, just because you may not notice much, doesn't mean it's not there.
--

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Earth Angel, 1/3/03

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