Men who marry Single Mothers are Chumps !

In article , Gwenhyffar Milgi
says...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:14:36 -0400, "Zoey" wrote:


"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:46:12 -0400, "Zoey" wrote:

because his father is an idiot who didn't want to take responsibility and
could only be a bad influence on my son.

Oh yes, the world's greatest catch! The woman who CHOSE to have a
child with an idiot!

I didn't know he was an idiot at the time. My mistake. I still have no
regrets.


Oh wow, even better, you didn't even wait to find out if he was an
idiot or not before breeding with him.




The Ministry of Reproduction has decreed!

Banty

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:42:51 -0400, "Zoe" wrote:



I stand corrected - I actually that "more often than not men are the
pathetic losers who cause women to be single mothers. That's not sexist.


yes it is. that you cannot see it to be sexist, is even MORE sexist.



I also like the way you ignored my last paragraph where I talked about
single fathers. See the below paragraph.

I'm also aware
that there are single fathers out there who are doing the same job as
single
mothers and should be commended just as well. I'll also say this -
courts
more often than not side with the mother on custody issues and this is
not
always right either.


i agree.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:17:51 GMT, Sky KIng wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:42:51 -0400, "Zoe"
scribbled:

I stand corrected - I actually that "more often than not men are the
pathetic losers who cause women to be single mothers. That's not sexist.


LOL...its within the women's power to NOT get pregnant...they have
better birth control choices then do men and they have more pre-birth
and post-birth choices. Give men just the same post-birth choices
unless you are a sexist and you think women deserve special treatment
and laws just for them.

It's called entrapment and women use it all the time. Men can rape
women through coercion and women cannot. To add insult in injury male
rape victims are punished a through obligation and hopefully someday
knowledge of the fact the mother of his child is a rapist.



Uhm, yes, it's very sexist. On what do you base this claim?

I also like the way you ignored my last paragraph where I talked about
single fathers. See the below paragraph.

It's usenet. There is no requirement to respond to every part of a
post. Most often, someone who's in agreement with you will not
necessarily respond to that statement.

Nan

In article KGoVc.7486$9d6.7287@attbi_s54, Byron Canfield says...

"howldog" wrote in message

No one
understands what being a single mother is until they experienced it.


probly right about that. In my own case, my ex-wife and i pretty much
just werent happy with each other; i told her i'd stick around for the
kid but she didnt want that, so she took the kid, and the courts
wouldnt let me stop her. That doesnt make me a pathetic loser, and i
knwo several guys who suffered the same situation as me, and i wouldnt
label them losers either.

Your anecdotal situation (ONE situation) does not, however, render all
single mothers as losers.



Possibly, he doesn't have custody for reasons which are related to all the "****
You" and other acting up we're seeing here. Anger and/or control problems.

So his situation may not be an abberation.

Banty

"Zoey" wrote in message ...
"Deb" wrote in message
m...
"Zoey" wrote in message
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"Autobodygal" wrote in message
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I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
are a
simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers. There are a lot of
different reasons why a woman may be a single mother. The losers are
the
men
that can not be man enough to support the children that they have
created.
Single mothers should be applauded.

I agree with you - I think whoever posted that is complete moron and
yes - the men are more often than not the pathetic losers who cause
mothers
to be single mothers.

And yet, the losers are still chosen over the nice guys, and hold onto
your hat,
it's women CHOOSING losers. Myself included.

Well, it's not like I knew he was a loser. Many losers can be very
charming and seem sincere. Some are even nice guys until they realize the
responsibility a child brings into their lives and they turn into losers
when the run for cover.

Fair enough, as for me, looking back though, there were red flags waving all
over the place. I didn't want to see them. Anyway my point was jerks come in
both sexes. We can speak from our own experience, but to tar 'all or most'
with the same brush is unfair.



At least, that's the situation for me. No one
understands what being a single mother is until they experienced it.
For
myself, I'm glad that I get to raise my son the way I want him to be
raised
because his father is an idiot who didn't want to take responsibility
and
could only be a bad influence on my son.

I hope you don't say this to your son or around him. Kids aren't stupid,
they
realize their half of each parent, when you badmouth his dad, your
badmouthing
him.

I never bad mouth my son's father in front of him or around him. That's
one of the reasons I was looking for a newsgroup with people who may be able
to relate to what I'm going through. When my son brings up his father or
says he wants to see his father I tell him that Daddy is very busy working
now. What else am I suppose to say? I tell him is father loves him but
can't spend time with him right now. Sooner or later though my son will
figure out the truth about his father. I just hope he doesn't resent me for
lying to him now. In the meantime I tell my son how precious and beatiful
he is and how so many people love him.

I'm only a lurker, but the regulars seem very supportive. I don't know how old
your son is, I tried making excuses, but i'm a bad liar. My boys are 9 and 10
and I tell them to ask him, when they have questions. They haven't bought the
'he's working' in a long time. Kids know when adults are lying, it diminishes
their opinion of you, even if your doing it for their own good. Does he see or
talk to his dad at all?

Debi


How old is your kid?

But it still hurts me when I see a
couple walking down the street with their kids. It's hard having
something
as wonderful as a kid and not being able to share it with someone.

Yes it is hard.
debi - lurker

On 20 Aug 2004 12:38:32 -0700, Banty
scribbled:

In article KGoVc.7486$9d6.7287@attbi_s54, Byron Canfield says...

"howldog" wrote in message

No one
understands what being a single mother is until they experienced it.


probly right about that. In my own case, my ex-wife and i pretty much
just werent happy with each other; i told her i'd stick around for the
kid but she didnt want that, so she took the kid, and the courts
wouldnt let me stop her. That doesnt make me a pathetic loser, and i
knwo several guys who suffered the same situation as me, and i wouldnt
label them losers either.

Your anecdotal situation (ONE situation) does not, however, render all
single mothers as losers.



Possibly, he doesn't have custody for reasons which are related to all the "****
You" and other acting up we're seeing here. Anger and/or control problems.

So his situation may not be an abberation.

Hehehe, you think?

Nan

"Zoe" wrote in message ...
"howldog" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:18:57 -0400, "Zoey" wrote:


"howldog" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:46:12 -0400, "Zoey" wrote:


"Autobodygal" wrote in message
r.com...
I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
are a
simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers. There are a lot
of
different reasons why a woman may be a single mother. The losers are
the
men
that can not be man enough to support the children that they have
created.
Single mothers should be applauded.

I agree with you - I think whoever posted that is complete moron
and
yes - the men are more often than not the pathetic losers who cause
mothers
to be single mothers.


nice sexist self-excusal. do another.


At least, that's the situation for me.


that didnt take long.



No one
understands what being a single mother is until they experienced it.

So? This method of refutation is dropped by most after their
sophomore year of College.

Valid, accurate criticisms can be levied by persons who have never
been in the situation they are critiquing.

I am a man, but I can validly criticise women who chose poorly and
then have a child by their poorly chosen man.




probly right about that. In my own case, my ex-wife and i pretty much
just werent happy with each other; i told her i'd stick around for the
kid but she didnt want that, so she took the kid, and the courts
wouldnt let me stop her. That doesnt make me a pathetic loser, and i
knwo several guys who suffered the same situation as me, and i wouldnt
label them losers either.

Read carefully before going on the defensive. I'm sorry your ex wife
took your kids from you but I didn't say that ALL men are pathetic losers
who cause mothers to be single, I said "for the most part".



AGAIN, thats sexist as hell,

Yep.

and just as bad. "For the most part men
are pathetic losers". Gee. thats a lot more comforting. LOL

**** you.

I stand corrected - I actually that "more often than not men are the
pathetic losers who cause women to be single mothers. That's not sexist.

Yes it is.

Who chose to date that man?
Who chose to have sex with that man?
Who chose to have sex with him with no birth control?
Who chose to carry the baby to term?
Who chose to carry the baby to term and keep it?

Women are always complicit in getting pregnant.

Women need to grow up and take responsibility and stop blaming men.

What the **** do you think happens if you have unprotected sex?

Almost every woman who gets pregnant wants to get pregnant because
they act in a manner that does not preclude prenancy.

Everytime.

If I were a woman and I did not want to get pregnant -

I would not have unprotected sex.
I would be on the pill.
I would have the Ru-486 in my medicine cabinet.
I would know where to get an abortion.
I would know where to give up a baby for adoption.

There are 13 or 14 ways to not become a mother.

Blaming men by stating : "more often than not men are the
pathetic losers who cause women to be single mothers."

*is* excusing a womans poor choice in 50+% of the instances.


I also like the way you ignored my last paragraph where I talked about
single fathers. See the below paragraph.

I'm also aware
that there are single fathers out there who are doing the same job as
single
mothers and should be commended just as well. I'll also say this -
courts
more often than not side with the mother on custody issues and this is
not
always right either.

80% of custody is awarded to mommy.

You post is another example of people in denial or being plain stupid.

Why do women get pregnant? Because they want to.

Another example:

Is there any one over the age of 15 who lives in North America who
does not know about AIDS?

Q: Then why has anyone become infected since 1990?
A: They behave stupidly.

-Lee.

"Nan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:42:51 -0400, "Zoe"
scribbled:

I stand corrected - I actually that "more often than not men are the
pathetic losers who cause women to be single mothers. That's not sexist.

Uhm, yes, it's very sexist. On what do you base this claim?

Reality.


I also like the way you ignored my last paragraph where I talked
about
single fathers. See the below paragraph.

It's usenet. There is no requirement to respond to every part of a
post. Most often, someone who's in agreement with you will not
necessarily respond to that statement.

Nope, no requirement - but when a following paragraph specifically
refers to the quote that was critisized, it might be nice.

"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:14:36 -0400, "Zoey" wrote:


"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:46:12 -0400, "Zoey" wrote:

because his father is an idiot who didn't want to take responsibility
and
could only be a bad influence on my son.

Oh yes, the world's greatest catch! The woman who CHOSE to have a
child with an idiot!

I didn't know he was an idiot at the time. My mistake. I still have
no
regrets.


Oh wow, even better, you didn't even wait to find out if he was an
idiot or not before breeding with him.

Again - my mistake but no regrets.

"Sky KIng" wrote in message
.net...
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:42:51 -0400, "Zoe"
scribbled:

I stand corrected - I actually that "more often than not men are
the
pathetic losers who cause women to be single mothers. That's not
sexist.


LOL...its within the women's power to NOT get pregnant...they have
better birth control choices then do men and they have more pre-birth
and post-birth choices. Give men just the same post-birth choices
unless you are a sexist and you think women deserve special treatment
and laws just for them.

If a man doesn't want a woman to get pregnant, he should use a condom.
Is that complicated? If he does that then there is no issue of
post-pregnancy choices.



Uhm, yes, it's very sexist. On what do you base this claim?

I also like the way you ignored my last paragraph where I talked
about
single fathers. See the below paragraph.

It's usenet. There is no requirement to respond to every part of a
post. Most often, someone who's in agreement with you will not
necessarily respond to that statement.

Nan