Prime example of why I hate other parents...

"L." wrote in message
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Tori M wrote:
Lyn is a Childfree Wannabe. She calls the rest of us Breeder Cows.
She's Perfect because she adopted a child and doesn't let him eat in
public because she thinks children in restaurants are the nth level of
Hell.

LOL And sometimes it can be. What most people do not understand is the
parent with the screaming kid is praying that the wait staff will bring
the
check RIGHT NOW. We get out of the habit of all eating at the table
from
time to time, and when we do the kids do awful eating out. The more we
eat
at the table the better they do eating out.

Tori

Nan is talking out her ass. We do eat out as a family but only on
Family Night at a certain restaurant. And we would leave if DS became
disruptive. I have seen parents not care of their kids disrupt
others. To me, that's the epitome of restaurant rudeness.


AND it teaches your children the wrong lesson, that it is Ok to be
inconsiderate of others and that their behavior has no impact.
-L.

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Tori M wrote:
Lyn is a Childfree Wannabe. She calls the rest of us Breeder Cows.
She's Perfect because she adopted a child and doesn't let him eat in
public because she thinks children in restaurants are the nth level
of
Hell.

LOL And sometimes it can be. What most people do not understand is
the
parent with the screaming kid is praying that the wait staff will bring
the
check RIGHT NOW. We get out of the habit of all eating at the table
from
time to time, and when we do the kids do awful eating out. The more we
eat
at the table the better they do eating out.

Tori

Nan is talking out her ass. We do eat out as a family but only on
Family Night at a certain restaurant. And we would leave if DS became
disruptive. I have seen parents not care of their kids disrupt
others. To me, that's the epitome of restaurant rudeness.

-L.

There are all kinds of disruptions in the world ... a lot of people need
to
get over themselves.
My daughter has a disability and not a disability that everyone can see.
If
she has issues in a public area, I will remove her from that public area
if
it benefits her. I'm not going to remove her from an area that she is
legally permitted to be in for any other reason, even if that means she is
"disrupting" someone else. Some adults need to learn tolerance just as
much
as some children need to learn what is tolerable.



I think the expectation of distruption is part of the issue. At Friendly's
or a McDonald's, particularly with a playland, there is an expectation of
disruption. At Chez Robert, to make a silly extreme example, there is not.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:40:50 GMT, "Knit Chic"
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"Nan" wrote in message
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On 10 Aug 2006 17:25:13 -0700, wrote:


Knit Chic wrote:

-L.


wow ... look at you with all that power. I have to say ... I'm soooo
very
impressed. not.
How are you going to do this?

The manager would do it. If you are disruptive enough, you'd get
kicked out. It happens.

Who said anything about "disruptive enough"??? You obviously have a
low tolerance for noise in a Family restaurant.

As I said (and you seem to have snipped)
Some adults need to learn tolerance just as much as some children need
to
learn what is tolerable.

You're the epitome of Entitlemoo. Inconvenience the entire universe
because you have an uncontrollable brat. Nice.

Uhm no. Her child has a disability. That you judge her as an
uncontrollable brat speaks volumes about you.

Nan

ah ... s'ok.
I can see we are having a battle of wits w/ an unarmed person.
BTDT.

Oh, I know. Her raving that she has the right to have peace and quiet
when she pleases defines her as the Entitlemoo.

Nan

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:18:49 GMT, "StephanieTheGoofy"
wrote:


I think the expectation of distruption is part of the issue. At Friendly's
or a McDonald's, particularly with a playland, there is an expectation of
disruption. At Chez Robert, to make a silly extreme example, there is not.

No kidding! So far this entire thread has mentioned nothing but
Family type restaurants. Lyn decided to make the leap into demanding
an intimate dinner. As I said, if she wants an intimate dinner at a
family restaurant, that's pitiful.

Nan

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:18:48 -0500, "Tori M"
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0tterbot wrote:
no, the zoo owns the meerkats, the zoo allows admission. the child poked
the
meerkats. the meerkat bit the child. NONE of this has to do with the
parents. you just want to make up a reason it's their fault because you
"hate parents"? no zoo = no incident, OR, no kid = no incident. buggered
if
i can work out how it's the parents' fault.

Did you even read the article? The kid climbed on a display that was
clearly marked DO NOT CLIMB ON ROCKS, stuck her hand through a small
hole in the barrier and tried to pet the animals. THAT is how she got
bitten. Pure negligence by whomever was supervising the child.

ACTUALY on the news that I have watched for days (we get twin cities news)at
the begining the rocks where ment to be climbed on. the do not climb on
rocks sign was added later.

Okay, here's a response Lyn will love: "But it's CLEAR the zoo HAD to
add the sign because the Entiltmoo Breeders were too STUPID to teach
BRATLEIGH that she shouldn't climb on the rocks!!!!!"

Nan

In article U2ZCg.7634$z12.4360@trndny02, StephanieTheGoofy says...



I phoned a restaurant recently that we had never been to before to ask of
children were welcome. The host or whatever did not really know what I
meant. He said we have things on the menu that children might find appealing
yadda yadda. I said no that's not what I mean. Do children and families
frequent the restaurant enough that this is the kind of place where other
patrons expect it? Or are the patrons looking for their relaxed, quiet,
romantic dinner? He paused for a minute and said "No one has ever asked me
that before." He then tried to very graciously tell me it was really the
latter without telling me we were unwelcome. And thanked me profusely for my
concern....

I think that some people assume that everywhere is appropriate for their
children if *they* want to go.



Hmmm, this kinda reminds me of a new college roomate who asked me "are you one
of those people who get uptight if anything happens if people use your stereo
equipment?" I was puzzled, too, thought she must have had some incident in the
past, blamed the *owner* for something breaking and that person being upset
about it, and she's sorta asking me to certify in advance that she can use the
equipment roughly without my objection. What could I say? "Sure, have at it."??
So I said "um, yes, I don't care for my stuff getting broken". She said
"hummph" and didn't use it for the rest of the year..

So, when you call a restaurant and sorta ask them to certifiy that no-one would
mind if your child is disruptive enough to effect diners wanting quiet, what do
you think they thought! What kind of behavior were they wondering you were
asking for their implicit tolerance for?

*Of course* they politely turned you away. That they were combing their menu
for things a lot of kids might like does tell me they would *welcome* your kids,
presumably decently behaved.

Maybe next time, just ask if they're a "family restaurant". That's sort of
industry code.

IMO the best way, really, is to teach the kids restaurant manners, and have a
back up plan if things go awry (of course things sometimes go awry with kids).
I used to stop the meal and have them wrap up what's left, and finish in the
car.

Banty


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"Nan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:40:50 GMT, "Knit Chic"
wrote:


"Nan" wrote in message
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On 10 Aug 2006 17:25:13 -0700, wrote:


Knit Chic wrote:

-L.


wow ... look at you with all that power. I have to say ... I'm soooo
very
impressed. not.
How are you going to do this?

The manager would do it. If you are disruptive enough, you'd get
kicked out. It happens.

Who said anything about "disruptive enough"??? You obviously have a
low tolerance for noise in a Family restaurant.

As I said (and you seem to have snipped)
Some adults need to learn tolerance just as much as some children need
to
learn what is tolerable.

You're the epitome of Entitlemoo. Inconvenience the entire universe
because you have an uncontrollable brat. Nice.

Uhm no. Her child has a disability. That you judge her as an
uncontrollable brat speaks volumes about you.

Nan

ah ... s'ok.
I can see we are having a battle of wits w/ an unarmed person.
BTDT.

Oh, I know. Her raving that she has the right to have peace and quiet
when she pleases defines her as the Entitlemoo.

Nan


'zactly. I'm thinking the same thing.

Besides, I said I would remove my child who happens to have a disability
when it benefits my child ... I didn't define that in any way.
also ... the ADA has a lot to say about the matter.

"LaTreen Washington" wrote in
message ...
I can see your brat’s retardation is hereditary.


Actually, my child has an IQ of 138. She has been tested by one of the top
people in the country.

"Banty" wrote in message
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In article U2ZCg.7634$z12.4360@trndny02, StephanieTheGoofy says...



I phoned a restaurant recently that we had never been to before to ask of
children were welcome. The host or whatever did not really know what I
meant. He said we have things on the menu that children might find
appealing
yadda yadda. I said no that's not what I mean. Do children and families
frequent the restaurant enough that this is the kind of place where other
patrons expect it? Or are the patrons looking for their relaxed, quiet,
romantic dinner? He paused for a minute and said "No one has ever asked
me
that before." He then tried to very graciously tell me it was really the
latter without telling me we were unwelcome. And thanked me profusely for
my
concern....

I think that some people assume that everywhere is appropriate for their
children if *they* want to go.



Hmmm, this kinda reminds me of a new college roomate who asked me "are you
one
of those people who get uptight if anything happens if people use your
stereo
equipment?" I was puzzled, too, thought she must have had some incident
in the
past, blamed the *owner* for something breaking and that person being
upset
about it, and she's sorta asking me to certify in advance that she can use
the
equipment roughly without my objection. What could I say? "Sure, have at
it."??
So I said "um, yes, I don't care for my stuff getting broken". She said
"hummph" and didn't use it for the rest of the year..

So, when you call a restaurant and sorta ask them to certifiy that no-one
would
mind if your child is disruptive enough to effect diners wanting quiet,
what do
you think they thought! What kind of behavior were they wondering you
were
asking for their implicit tolerance for?


No actually, we did not go to the restaurant. I called so if it was not
appopriate, we could find somewhere else. And we did. Why do you assume the
worst?

*Of course* they politely turned you away. That they were combing their
menu
for things a lot of kids might like does tell me they would *welcome* your
kids,
presumably decently behaved.

Maybe next time, just ask if they're a "family restaurant". That's sort
of
industry code.

IMO the best way, really, is to teach the kids restaurant manners, and
have a
back up plan if things go awry (of course things sometimes go awry with
kids).
I used to stop the meal and have them wrap up what's left, and finish in
the
car.

Banty


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"StephanieTheGoofy" wrote in message
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"Banty" wrote in message
...
So, when you call a restaurant and sorta ask them to certifiy that
no-one
would
mind if your child is disruptive enough to effect diners wanting
quiet,
what do
you think they thought! What kind of behavior were they wondering
you
were
asking for their implicit tolerance for?


No actually, we did not go to the restaurant. I called so if it was
not
appopriate, we could find somewhere else. And we did. Why do you
assume the
worst?

I think you completely misunderstood Banty! She wasn't making any
assumptions about how disruptive your child might be, or whether or
not you went to the restaurant.

What she was trying to say (if I understand correctly) is that
restaurants aren't used to people calling and asking whether the other
diners would mind a potentially disruptive child. Therefore they (the
restaurant) might have assumed that your child is way worse than
average, which is why you felt the need to call in the first place.

So she wasn't suggesting that you not go to the restaurant. She was
suggesting that you just take the child, and deal with any disruptive
behavior if it happens. Of that if you ask them if they are a "family
restaurant" they're more likely to understand what you want and be
able to answer you.

Bizby