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What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
New York Time Best Seller is an indication of mass popularity, not
quality. I wouldn't imagine a book that reveals the myriad of problems in the ever popular practice of hitting children in the name of discipline to be on the New York Times best seller list. If it was on the best seller list, I suspect we would be hitting children a whole lot less and learning alternatives a whole lot more. Good post, Doan. LaVonne Doan wrote: Beating the Devil.... By Murray Struas Publisher: Transaction Pub; 2nd edition (September 2001) ISBN: 0765807548 Average Customer Review: Based on 1 review by Chris Dugan. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 265,065 Going to be the next New York Times Best seller soon! ;-) Doan On 26 Feb 2004, Kane wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:49:58 -0600, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Not a problem. His book has had a very insightful review by Chris Dugan on his website: http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm Read all the pages....... The good officer is something less than accurate.....of course, when looking at the product of the spanking compulsives one expects a good deal of that. What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer that has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do. I'll try it and let you know. Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name "Fern" will allow me to order the book. Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/3x5h9 Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.77 x 8.97 x 6.04 Publisher: Providence House Pub; (December 31, 1999) ISBN: 1577361598 Average Customer Review: Based on 9 reviews. Write a review. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 346,516 Hey, going to number 1 any day now.....E E E E E R R R R R O O O O O O............. LaVonne Fern5827 wrote: Book Description In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No fear of consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without conscience. Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking. Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. Oh, you mean the Solomon that himself was not above sin, of a most egregious kind, and raised a son that himself was so cruel he had to flee his kingdom with the populous at this heels. You mean the Solomon that ordered his guard to cleave a child in two with a sword if neither mother would give up the child? Yeah, that towering font of wisdom. You have to read proverbs sometime, Portulacca. The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding child abuse and parental authority. Our dear Flower forgot a little something and of course didn't cite Amazon with an URL....hehehehe Yah just gotta read the reviews....yo might even want to add your own. OTHER police officers? R R R ... and over the top, "Whoomp'em" advocates. Yep, that's our spanking compulsives allrighty. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Available on amazon.com Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the largest incarcerator of souls in the WORLD. Hire an attorney, contact with CPS? Get the busy-bodies out of family life........ Oh yeah.....r r r r Kane |
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What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
It also means that you haven't read many of Chris Dugan's post on this newsgroup. I sympathize with you! ;-) Doan On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Billy, Fern may have posted the title of the book, but it was not included her post below. One problem with the internet is that not everyone reads everything posted on a daily basis. If one wants to be understood, one needs to post the necessary references. I did not read her previous post, and there was no threaded link. I thank you for providing the title and the link. You supplied what Fern should have supplied in her post. LaVonne billy f wrote: She did post the name of the book it's called "No fear" Here is a link where you can order it http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...08839?v=glance. Chris Dugan did a review on it a few years a go at http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm. I have read part of the book and he makes his point well though I think someone could misinterpret his message and use it as a excuse to abuse their children. "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer that has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do. I'll try it and let you know. Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name "Fern" will allow me to order the book. LaVonne Fern5827 wrote: Book Description In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No fear of consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without conscience. Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking. Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding child abuse and parental authority. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Available on amazon.com Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the largest incarcerator of souls in the WORLD. Hire an attorney, contact with CPS? Get the busy-bodies out of family life........ |
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What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
Same can be said about "No Fear"! ;-)
Good post, LaVonne. Doan On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Carlson LaVonne wrote: New York Time Best Seller is an indication of mass popularity, not quality. I wouldn't imagine a book that reveals the myriad of problems in the ever popular practice of hitting children in the name of discipline to be on the New York Times best seller list. If it was on the best seller list, I suspect we would be hitting children a whole lot less and learning alternatives a whole lot more. Good post, Doan. LaVonne Doan wrote: Beating the Devil.... By Murray Struas Publisher: Transaction Pub; 2nd edition (September 2001) ISBN: 0765807548 Average Customer Review: Based on 1 review by Chris Dugan. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 265,065 Going to be the next New York Times Best seller soon! ;-) Doan On 26 Feb 2004, Kane wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:49:58 -0600, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Not a problem. His book has had a very insightful review by Chris Dugan on his website: http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm Read all the pages....... The good officer is something less than accurate.....of course, when looking at the product of the spanking compulsives one expects a good deal of that. What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer that has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do. I'll try it and let you know. Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name "Fern" will allow me to order the book. Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/3x5h9 Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.77 x 8.97 x 6.04 Publisher: Providence House Pub; (December 31, 1999) ISBN: 1577361598 Average Customer Review: Based on 9 reviews. Write a review. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 346,516 Hey, going to number 1 any day now.....E E E E E R R R R R O O O O O O............. LaVonne Fern5827 wrote: Book Description In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No fear of consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without conscience. Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking. Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. Oh, you mean the Solomon that himself was not above sin, of a most egregious kind, and raised a son that himself was so cruel he had to flee his kingdom with the populous at this heels. You mean the Solomon that ordered his guard to cleave a child in two with a sword if neither mother would give up the child? Yeah, that towering font of wisdom. You have to read proverbs sometime, Portulacca. The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding child abuse and parental authority. Our dear Flower forgot a little something and of course didn't cite Amazon with an URL....hehehehe Yah just gotta read the reviews....yo might even want to add your own. OTHER police officers? R R R ... and over the top, "Whoomp'em" advocates. Yep, that's our spanking compulsives allrighty. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Available on amazon.com Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the largest incarcerator of souls in the WORLD. Hire an attorney, contact with CPS? Get the busy-bodies out of family life........ Oh yeah.....r r r r Kane |
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"Fern5827" wrote in message ... Book Description In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No fear of consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without conscience. Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking. Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding child abuse and parental authority. Oh my. She can't peruse the words of this person's book anyway. A quote from this message at: http://www.nofear-online.com/police.htm Acts 17:11: "received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so," As any reasoning person may discern, Fern is incapable of the above. She is "readiness of mind" challenged. Sherman. |
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Again, ad homs do NOT a debate make.
A kindergardner can CALL NAMES, Sherry. Not considered an apt or ethical response. http://www.CPSWatch.com Now in 7 states to help falsely accused families. |
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"Fern5827" wrote in message ... Again, ad homs do NOT a debate make. A kindergardner can CALL NAMES, Sherry. Not considered an apt or ethical response. Pronoun challenged as well? Again: A quote from this message at: http://www.nofear-online.com/police.htm Acts 17:11: "received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so," Try it, you might like it. It may help you with your [lack of] ability to reason and strenghten resistence to the advancing onslaught of senility that you exhibit. Sherman. |
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"No fear" a police off. perspective on punishment
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Subject: "No fear" a police off. perspective on punishment View this article only Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking Date: 2004-02-26 11:17:12 PST Book Description In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in Americas youth. Then he is not in this country. US "Youth" have shown a consistent reduction in crime in the past ten years at least. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. Is "fear" the only thing the officer thinks motivates people to not commit crimes? I certainly hope not, but then I've read his crap. That IS what he appears to think. No fear of consequences. On the contrary. No fear of authority. Well, not HIS authority, for sure. Loud mouth blowhard that he is. No fear of God. Some children are atheists. Why would they be afraid of a myth? A generation without conscience. Wrong. If he had a conscience himself he wouldn't write such tripe and think he could get away with it. Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking. Something over 50%. Hmmm...I have a hunch he is either doing selective demographics or he is not telling us the whole truth. Interestingly in once instance where he claimed a child wasn't being spanked the opposite was true. Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. A thug, and probably Sugenours model and hero. A King that was known for his cruelty, his many concubines and wives. And so cruel to his child the boy turned into an even worse despot than Solomon. Saddam Hussein set himselp up to be a "hero" too and a wise man. He was you know, for anyone that disagreed now is missing or missing his or her tongue. . The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding child abuse and parental authority. Yep. and you really are doing well for a Plant, but please, don't pretend this was anything like objective research. Kane -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Available on amazon.com Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the largest incarcerator of souls in the WORLD. "Souls?" The number may be high, the rate is not the highest. And it's not for violent crime, it's mostly for drugs. And YOU NEED TO REMEMBER: This incarceration is taking place in a nation with 90% of the people having been spanked. Figure that out. If you want to blame nonspanking then you have a serious logic fault, NO? Hire an attorney, contact with CPS? Unnnhhh.....duh......Stop drooling you old sot. Get the busy-bodies out of family life........ No one invited you in. YOU get out. You and your "Liberty Interest of the parents" to beat and kill their children manure. So tell us, Flower Power, are you a Christian Reconstructionist? How about just a Garden variety right wing fundy? Kane |
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I have never in my whole life feared police, and I have no criminal
record nor have I ever done crime. So I have to ask, in all innocence, why would we want our children to fear police? Police are supposed to help, and all the police I knew and know, with rare exceptions like this blowhard twit Sugenour, are kind and helpful, unless you do a crime, and then they tend to be business like. Twice I've been stopped and questioned in very very bad circumstances...once a cop had been shot at in my neighborhood and I was driving a car similar to the suspect. I was treated respectfully even though the police were very careful to protect themselves....and I could very well see that as long as I followed their directions....I WAS PROTECTED AS WELL. Sugie lies, and so do you. And you both have the same excuse. Superstition ridden ignoramacies that wouldn't know fact if it bit'em in the ass. "Researcher" R R R R R......... http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear5.htm Plant, I realize how very hard it is to find anything that actually supports the claim that spanking has beneficial effects (in fact it's impossible to find a single study anywhere...just nonsense like this author) but you could do better than to pick such a discredited "author" as this. He appears to be a Dobson on steroids...more cruel, more dangerous (he recommends doing things that can cause permanent damange to the recipient), and more full of himself and biblical bushwah than just about anyone I've run across outside your bosses. Since you won't admit to or deny being or working for organized folks We shall assume henceforth YOU DO. Seems logical. Now just so you'll have A hole to duck into: YOU are a **** filled gasbag of a liar. Now you can claim I use ad hom, while you use one on me and think yourself clever. And ooooo so innocent. You are a danger, in denial, to humanity. Kane |
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On 29 Mar 2004, Kane wrote:
YOU are a **** filled gasbag of a liar. Another typical response from a "never-spanked" boy! What's up with this fascination with "****" by never-spanker? ;-) Doan |
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