Water has memory, validating homeopathy

"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:33:33 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
"carole" wrote:


"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:04:20 -0000, in misc.health.alternative, "john"
wrote:

http://vimeo.com/14646626


Two fallacies in the 1st 30 seconds. two lies in the 1st three
minutes.

You really lack a basic foundation if you think this knowledge.

Sorry the claim that water is the only element which exists in three
states. (claim made about the 5 minute mark)

For example Mercury can exist as a solid, liquid and gas.

I stopped watching at 5:58... and counted over 30 fallacies and
dozens of falsehoods.

But bob, there is no proof that you have the ability to discern between **** and clay.

I saw enough **** in 5 minutes and 58 seconds to discount the entire
piece of entertainment, Carole. I actually felt like I wasted that
time completely.

Carole this video is labeled as "entertainment".

It was a bit slow moving for me, too much special effects, dramatic music and too high resolution making it
slow to download.
The sound was soft, you have it turned up to the max but still have to strain to hear.
I prefer written things but top marks for effort -- probably others will find it interesting.

It didn't get anything expect a negative rating of a -100. It was
mostly all ****.

What video you loon. You've deleted the link.
But then knowing you, this is no doubt your standard reply regardless of the video -- all you need to know is
it is alternative and merely trot out your standard reply ...oh, maybe you change the amount of seconds you
claim to have watched it.

enough said, you loon.

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"carole" wrote in
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The question is "Does homeopathy work?" The answer is no.

If you are an allopathic stooge who believes any bit of crap you're
fed, homeopathy doesn't work. But if you're an intelligent user who
has actually tried it and know what you're talking about, it does
work.

Have you looked up "idiosyncratic" yet?

And as for homeopathy working, mind explaining to me why people who rely
on homeopathic preparations to prevent malaria end up catching it?

So who do you believe -- the propaganda or the truth?
On the one hand you have propaganda ...on the other hand you have
truth.

In a way you are correct: homeopathy is the propaganda. Not a single
properly conducted test has ever been able to show that it has the
slightest effect that would be distinguishable from placebo.

Choose one -- propaganda (allopathic) or truth (alternative).
Head up your arse (allopathic) or enlightened user (alternative).

Fallacy of excluded middle. Not to mention a typical woo believer lie.

--
Their sugar pills contain nothing and they won't poison your
body. The greater danger is that they poison your mind. -David
Colquhoun on homeopathy

"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
"carole" wrote in
ond.com:

Don't know what bends has got to do with anything.
Who said anything about "bends"?

You did. Don't you even read the articles you copy/paste?

This is what you posted:

"5. A report by a homeopath in New York City is sobering: He studied the
problems in behavior associated with city living and considered the
water supply as a source of destabilizing influence. He noted that as
the water flowed down from reservoirs, falling down pipes and vibrating
around bends in the pipes there might be a potentizing phenomenon on the
chemicals in the water."

Note that "vibrating around bends in the pipes" in the quote from your
post.

Oh, I see. With homeopathy the solution is shaken between dilutions and it is this shaking that is supposed to
make a homeopathic remedy, speculating that the shaking separates the physical from the spiritual and it is
the spiritual that has the healing ability - spiritual is behind all physical.
So the bends in the pipe wouldn't be any potentising factor, but rather any shaking or vibrating as the water
coursed along.

I get it ...he thought the bending would shake it up.

Another thing I've read about homeopathy is that if the solution is the wrong one, it doesn't have any effect.
eg If you gave somebody a poison such as mercury or arsenic as a homeopathic remedy, it doesn't have any
effect unless it is the right remedy.


--
Homeopathy and its ilk are not the problem in themselves, other
than that they are symptomatic of a deeper issue, and that is
the propensity of people to (easily) fall victim to magical
thinking. If people would learn to think critically as a matter
of course then homeopathy, chiropractic, reiki etc would take
care of themselves. -Jeff Keogh

Obviously this Jeff Keogh hasn't got a clue --the poor demented arsehole.
It just demonstrates how somebody can sound completely knowledgeable yet be totally devoid of any real
understanding of that which they speak of.

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Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
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"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 00:18:11 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
"carole" wrote:


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 11/3/10 2:35 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message
4.39...


Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found
homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.

*facepalm*

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.

From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic.

Actually, it is bias against fiction.

The reason why we don't like homeopathy and chiropractic is that they don't work and have no scientific
basis to explain how they might work.

But they do work.

Evidence?

The masses of people who have been helped by them might be a start.
But hey, that's right, you follow the allopathic view which says the public are stupid and don't know what's
good for them. That allopathic has to intervene and overrule the public in spite of themselves. ...ie the
arrogant approach. I'm right, aren't I?


Come on, you really think people will think that water that's gone through bends in the pipes is different
than water that has gone through fewer bends?

Don't know what bends has got to do with anything.
Who said anything about "bends"?

You did Carole... Get your short term memory check... or stop
drinking. (or smoking cannabis)

Explained in another post ie, it is the vibration or shaking of the water, not the bends themselves which
would contribute to the homeopathic influence.

Poor bob, he keeps trying to make valid points, and clings to increasingly flimsy arguments in his efforts to
prove he has the superior stand.
But I'm afraid he is like a ship without a rudder, all over the place and directionless. All he can do is
knock and hang ****. Its pitiful to watch really.

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Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
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"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Don't know what bends has got to do with anything.
Who said anything about "bends"?

You did. Don't you even read the articles you copy/paste?

This is what you posted:

"5. A report by a homeopath in New York City is sobering: He studied
the problems in behavior associated with city living and considered
the water supply as a source of destabilizing influence. He noted
that as the water flowed down from reservoirs, falling down pipes and
vibrating around bends in the pipes there might be a potentizing
phenomenon on the chemicals in the water."

Note that "vibrating around bends in the pipes" in the quote from
your post.

Oh, I see. With homeopathy the solution is shaken between dilutions
and it is this shaking that is supposed to make a homeopathic remedy,
speculating that the shaking separates the physical from the spiritual
and it is the spiritual that has the healing ability - spiritual is
behind all physical. So the bends in the pipe wouldn't be any
potentising factor, but rather any shaking or vibrating as the water
coursed along.

I get it ...he thought the bending would shake it up.

Another thing I've read about homeopathy is that if the solution is
the wrong one, it doesn't have any effect. eg If you gave somebody a
poison such as mercury or arsenic as a homeopathic remedy, it doesn't
have any effect unless it is the right remedy.

Interestingly enough, Professor W. H. Hopff, repeated Hahnemann's
original experiment with Cinchona - according to Hahnemann, if a
medicine that cured malaria was given to a healthy volunteer, then it
would actually generate the symptoms of malaria. Using his own students
as guinea pigs, the professor compared Cinchona with a placebo and
discovered no difference. Neither positive nor negative. In short,
Hahnemann's results, which provided the foundation for homeopathy, were
simply wrong.
- source: Singh and Ernst: Trick or treatment

So when even Hahnemann's original "research" is shown to be a fantasy,
it should be a clue for homeopathy believers that it does not have a
hope of working. Not to mention all the numerous tests that have been
conducted and which have shown that it just has no real effect.

-
Homeopathy and its ilk are not the problem in themselves, other
than that they are symptomatic of a deeper issue, and that is
the propensity of people to (easily) fall victim to magical
thinking. If people would learn to think critically as a matter
of course then homeopathy, chiropractic, reiki etc would take
care of themselves. -Jeff Keogh

Obviously this Jeff Keogh hasn't got a clue --the poor demented
arsehole. It just demonstrates how somebody can sound completely
knowledgeable yet be totally devoid of any real understanding of that
which they speak of.

Actually, it shows that he does have a very good grasp on reality.

--
[Homeopathic] Remedies free of active ingredients worth $20
million derived from a single duck? This has to be the ultimate
form of medical quackery. -Simon Singh & Edzard Ernst

"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 11/3/10 9:18 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
On 11/3/10 2:35 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message
4.39...


Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found
homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.

*facepalm*

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.

From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic.

Actually, it is bias against fiction.

The reason why we don't like homeopathy and chiropractic is that they don't work and have no scientific
basis to explain how they might work.

But they do work.

Provide good studies that show that they work. And provide a scientific basis to explain how they work.

Jan has given you any amount of studies.
The problem with you dr jeff is you might have gotten through some course or other but your pass would have
been through being a "yes man" -- they like yes men.


Come on, you really think people will think that water that's gone through bends in the pipes is different
than water that has gone through fewer bends?

Don't know what bends has got to do with anything.
Who said anything about "bends"?

You wrote: "5. A report by a homeopath in New York City is sobering: He studied the problems in behavior
associated with city living and considered the water supply as a source of destabilizing influence. He noted
that as the water flowed down from reservoirs, falling down pipes and vibrating around bends in the pipes
there might be a potentizing phenomenon on the chemicals in the water.

I have always thought that the wrong homeopathic remedy wouldn't have any effect, such as with the fluoride
potentising as it chortles its way through the pipes.

One chemical added to the water was fluoride. Indeed, the symptoms caused by fluorinum include many of the
social problems seen in the city (unsociable behavior, sexual over-excitement, mental exhaustion and
fatigue, etc.).

Wouldn't just be the ppm added to the drinking water that would cause the behaviour problems?
I've heard that if a person gets poisoned by something like fluoride, that the homeopathic antidote would be
the same element in homeopathic form.

It was as if the entire city had been treated with long-term exposure to the vibrational energy of fluoride.
He found that prescribing homeopathic fluoric acid helped a number of his patients. It acted almost like an
antidote, or mirror image of the negative influence from the vibrated fluoride water."


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"Steelclaws" wrote in message
.39...
"carole" wrote in
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"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...


Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she
found homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.

*facepalm*

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.

From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and
chiropractic.

Have you decided yet if Randi used brain waves or magnets? Not that
either would make any difference, of course, to the water.

Maybe magnets because during the time he was present he was playing around and doing certain tricks - on one
of these videos. Wouldn't have been hard for him to wave his hands over all the vials.
Pt 4 - Details of experiment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzO3A04cOis

Pt 5 - James Randi involvement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSzOShJb2U


--
By providing homeopathy on the NHS and allowing MHRA licensing
of products which subsequently appear on pharmacy shelves, the
Government runs the risk of endorsing homeopathy as an
efficacious system of medicine. To maintain patient trust,
choice and safety, the Government should not endorse the use of
placebo treatments, including homeopathy. Homeopathy should not
be funded on the NHS and the MHRA should stop licensing
homeopathic products. - House of Commons report into the
Evidence Check on Homeopathy

Politicians are often quite ignorant about many things and it wouldn't be beyond the realms of imagination for
them to be in the pocket of the pharmaceutical cartel.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
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"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
:

BBC Horizon homeopathy experiment
Pt 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZhmG97lYog
Pt 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jE3hT5lLwA Madeleine Ennis -
vet uses homeopathy on animals with good results.
Pt 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh0phYI3ROs Madeleine Ennis
-
Pt 4 - Details of experiment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzO3A04cOis Pt 5 - James Randi
involvement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSzOShJb2U

Maybe James Randi knows about the electromagnetic ability (No.1
above)
to neutralise homeopathy, and passed some sort of magnet over the
samples in the homeopathy experiment. After all, he is a magician
and
would know all the tricks of the trade --plus do you really think he
would want to part with 1 million dollars?

Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she
found
homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.

*facepalm*

Those are the same videos I suggested to her a month ago, aren't
they?

Yes, they are.

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.

I know it has to be a bot....

I dunno, her responses seem to be more on topic than those of Cleverbot.

I don't know who Cleverbot is.


--
There are two great secrets of the quack's success. One is the
fact that many human ills, including some of the severest, will
run their course and vanish without treatment of any sort.

But still they prescribe the drugs.

The
other half are due to the fact that many of life's ills are
wholly or in part psychosomatic. -Martin Gardner

Allopaths don't know the cause or the cure but arrogance often works, hey?

--
Carole
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Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
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"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message news
"carole" wrote:

Why then is allopathic medicine listed as the number 1 killer in the US?
Can you explain that without rationalising?

Easy.

Because it isn't.

Well it isn't the number 1 killer. It might be listed as such by liars
and ignorami like Gary Null, but that doesn't make it so.

Hey, some news --you're rationalising if you think allopathic should even in in the top 10.

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"Happy Oyster" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:04:20 -0000, "john" wrote:

http://vimeo.com/14646626


Now, to believe that is really stupid.

And: Homeopathy is fraud.

Hey, crappy's back.

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